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rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#521 ·
While I agree with most of what was said, the argument about grading falls apart for me when you consider how many generations grew up doing just fine without any numerical grades in first grade.
I remember trying so hard to finish my homework and master everything, even though getting an A wasn't always an option. Some kids just didn't care at all, and honestly, some kids don't even care if they get an F; that number doesn't mean anything to them.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#522 ·
Lawrence Torres56 said:Honestly? I don't think it's awesome at all, because what kids actually take away from that approach is the exact opposite—it basically tells them, "hey, don't bother studying, don't push yourself throughout the school year, just cram whenever you feel like it and everything will work out fine." And by doing that, we’re totally failing to teach them any sense of actual work ethic...

Take my little one, for example. One time she didn't even bother copying the assignment off the whiteboard because she realized a bunch of the other kids weren't doing it either; they were just playing around during recess while their moms were running around being helicopter parents and stressing everyone else out... she even brought home a phone number for some other mom and told me I should call 🙂... I told her, absolutely not. You're going to write down what I think is the right answer for the homework, and if it's wrong or missing something, then yeah, you'll get a zero, which is exactly what you earned... and you know what? She never once thought about ditching class to play during recess before finishing her work again...

And look, regardless of how silly grades might seem to us adults, for these kids, those grades are their yardstick and their motivation; descriptive feedback? That stuff just goes in one ear and out the other. They're essentially testing the waters in first grade, seeing how far they can push the boundaries... and whatever we plant in their heads during that first year is going to stick with them for the rest of their lives.


That is totally wrong.
What do grades have to do with it?
To me, it feels a bit sad when a kid writes homework just to get a grade.
The whole point of homework is practice.
Especially in those early elementary years where they're learning basic life skills.
So what if she didn't copy from the board? Why would you go scolding other moms just because her child might get a failing mark for not having the assignment done?
It's all over the place.
You give her tasks based on your own discretion (personally, I'd give even more)||
She has to write those tasks down immediately (though maybe not if she has already mastered the material)
Work habits are built through repetition, not through a letter grade or an evaluation.

I'll never understand why parents think kids can learn to walk, run, swim, or ride a bike without someone giving them an A, yet to learn how to read and write, you have to motivate them with grades.😕

I get that you might need grades to encourage them to study history, read certain books, or tackle Latin and civics, but I really don't get why you'd need them for something like the multiplication table, which you'll need for the rest of your life.😕
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#523 ·
(when do you actually need a multiplication table? 🙈 )
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#524 ·
rowdypanther12 said:(when do you actually need a multiplication table? 🙈 )

I find myself using it every single day 😍

edit: plus, they're going to need it throughout their entire schooling
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#525 ·
I've forgotten so much of it, honestly. Not everything, of course, but quite a lot 😁
At work, I rely on my calculator constantly; I don't think I could even add two numbers together by hand anymore 😂
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#526 ·
rowdypanther12 said:I've forgotten so much of it, honestly. Not everything, of course, but quite a lot 😁
At work, I rely on my calculator constantly; I don't think I could even add two numbers together by hand anymore 😂

😂
I can still do percentages in my head, though, along with pretty much anything else
.
(Most of what I know actually comes from my school days, and back then we didn't even use any computerized grading 😍, just so there's no confusion
).
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#527 ·
You’d save me a ton on mower repairs and belt replacements 😂 😂
I don't, honestly. It's just like phone numbers—ever since I got a smartphone, I can barely remember my own number, let alone this. I can remember things if they rhyme like a little poem, but anything else...

I used to know them perfectly 😁 and I didn't have any trouble with my grades either 😁
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#528 ·
rowdypanther12 said:You’d save me a ton on mower repairs and belt replacements 😂 😂
I don't, honestly. It's just like phone numbers—ever since I got a smartphone, I can barely remember my own number, let alone this. I can remember things if they rhyme like a little poem, but anything else...

I used to know them perfectly 😁 and I didn't have any trouble with my grades either 😁

I actually started practicing memorizing numbers about two years ago when my old phone finally gave up on me and all those digits just vanished from my brain

Plus, it's actually a pretty great memory exercise🙂
like grouping numbers together and stuff like that.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#529 ·
Susan James said:I actually started practicing memorizing numbers about two years ago when my old phone finally gave up on me and all those digits just vanished from my brain

Plus, it's actually a pretty great memory exercise🙂
like grouping numbers together and stuff like that.

Personally, I find it much easier to remember characters in books or specific plot points—it just comes more naturally to me.😁
Lawrence Torres56 Lawrence Torres56 Active Member
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#530 ·
I can't believe I'm actually sitting here typing this out, but seriously, does anyone else feel like we’re just spinning our wheels in this endless cycle of nothingness? It’s like, you wake up, you grind through the day, you deal with the usual nonsense, and then you realize you haven't actually moved an inch from where you started. Is it just me, or is the whole vibe lately just... heavy? Like, I’m trying to stay positive and get things done, but sometimes it feels like I'm running through waist-deep mud just to reach a finish line that keeps moving further away every single time I get close. Does that even make sense? Or am I just overthinking the entire situation again? kaže:
You've got it all wrong. Seriously, you couldn't be more off base if you were trying.
I mean, seriously, what does my GPA actually have to do with how I perform on the field? Like, do you honestly think that being able to ace a midterm in a stuffy lecture hall somehow translates to having the grit to make a clutch play when the clock is ticking down in the fourth quarter? It’s wild to me how people try to draw this direct line between a letter grade on a transcript and actual athletic instinct. Does knowing the intricacies of macroeconomics somehow help you read a blitz or tighten up your defense? Honestly, it feels like such a stretch, doesn't it?

Honestly, you can't just breeze through this; the teacher is actually looking at the quality of your assignments and how much effort you put into keeping your notebook organized, because let me tell you, that stuff definitely counts toward your final grade.
Honestly, I find it kind of pathetic that we’re still out here grinding through these massive homework assignments just to chase some arbitrary letter grade, you know? Like, does anyone actually believe that cranking out pages of busywork for a GPA is a legitimate way to learn anything meaningful? It feels so hollow.
The whole point of this assignment is really just to get some reps in, you know? It’s all about getting that practice under your belt.

Look, I don't know if you want to call it harsh or whatever, but let's be real here—if a teacher hands out an assignment, it’s on the students to actually get it done, right? It's pretty basic stuff. And honestly, once the work is turned in, isn't it totally fair for them to face the consequences, whether that means getting a pat on the back with a reward or taking a hit with a penalty? I mean, how else are you supposed to learn how the real world works?
So, today they’re handing out these little participation trophies and performance reviews, but tomorrow? Tomorrow we’re all just sitting around waiting for that paycheck to actually hit our accounts... or are we just supposed to sit here and act surprised when the boss decides the best way to reward our blood, sweat, and tears is with a heartfelt "thanks for everything" and a pat on the back? Seriously, is that the new corporate standard now?🤷
I honestly will never wrap my head around why parents seem to think kids can just magically figure out how to walk, run, or swim—let alone ride a bike—without anyone ever stepping in to give them a little push, yet when it comes to actually learning how to read and write, suddenly everyone acts like you need to dangle a massive carrot in front of them just to get them moving? Is it just me, or is that total madness? Like, you don't exactly hand a toddler a gold star or a brand-new iPad every time they successfully navigate a sidewalk, but the second a kid opens a book, it’s all about the rewards and the constant motivation to keep them from checking out, right? It makes zero sense. 😕

I mean, honestly, I just will never wrap my head around why everyone is so absolutely terrified of a simple letter grade, you know? Like, why is there this massive, collective meltdown every time a GPA or a final mark comes out, and why are people constantly pushing for these endless, wordy descriptive evaluations instead? Is a number really that scary?😁,
Look, the whole issue isn't even about trying to motivate these fifth graders; it’s that there’s zero incentive built into those descriptive grade systems in the first place. How are you supposed to spark any drive when the feedback is just so vague? Honestly, if you hop on Facebook and find one of those groups where kids post their progress reports, you'll see exactly what I mean. It’s pretty hilarious, actually—you see these kids absolutely roasting their own grades and making fun of how useless they are.😉
I totally get where people are coming from when they say you have to bribe kids with grades just to get them to care about history, dive into the classics, or bother learning Latin and some old-school grammar, but honestly? I just don't see the logic in forcing them to memorize a multiplication table like it’s some kind of life-or-death survival skill they'll need for the rest of their lives. Like, seriously, what is the end goal there? 😕

Do you honestly believe that a bunch of first graders actually grasp the idea that what they’re grinding through in class today is going to be the stuff they actually need to survive in the real world later on? Like, do they really sit there thinking, "Hey, if I master this math right now, it’ll pay off when I'm an adult"? Of course not! They're just kids! So why on earth would we even bother trying to motivate them with the promise of some distant, theoretical future utility? It's kind of ridiculous when you think about it, isn't it?😲
I don't know, man, maybe it’s just that my kids—and honestly, half the kids I hang out with—aren't exactly cutting-edge when it comes to this stuff, so they probably need a little extra nudge to care about things that, let's be real, are completely irrelevant to their lives right now...🤷

I mean, if we’re following that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, why even bother sweating over multiplication tables anymore? We’ve all got smartphones and high-powered calculators in our pockets 24/7, right? And honestly, what's the point of drilling cursive handwriting when most people's signatures look like a caffeinated scribble on a Starbucks cup anyway? It’s like, why stress about mastering grammar rules when Microsoft Word or Grammarly can just swoop in and fix every little mistake for you? Is there actually any point to learning the fundamentals when technology basically does the heavy lifting for us?😲 I mean, seriously, what is even the point of dragging ourselves to school every single day? Like, why are we even bothering with all this?
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#531 ·
Based on what logic? I am all about kids actually learning and absorbing knowledge. Truly.

And I would never compare money to a grade. They just aren't the same thing.
Money is compensation for the service I provide through my work. I need money to live my life.
A grade is an assessment of someone's knowledge, effort, or whatever else goes into it.
Most decent employers out there provide a salary, a performance review (which can lead to a raise), and genuine appreciation.
I don't expect a child to study just so a teacher will thank them, or to make money, or simply to get a rating.
I expect them to learn so they actually know something.

Sure, getting an A+ can be motivating, but it’s honestly a bit sad if that's the only thing driving you to learn or pick up something new.
That is the last thing I’d want for a kid at the start of their schooling years.

I don't do my job solely for the paycheck. There's a sense of satisfaction in doing something well, being useful, making a difference, helping people, or teaching... and I truly believe great teachers think the exact same way.
Lawrence Torres56 Lawrence Torres56 Active Member
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#532 ·
Susan James said:Based on what logic? I am all about kids actually learning and absorbing knowledge. Truly.

And I would never compare money to a grade. They just aren't the same thing.
Money is compensation for the service I provide through my work. I need money to live my life.
A grade is an assessment of someone's knowledge, effort, or whatever else goes into it.
Most decent employers out there provide a salary, a performance review (which can lead to a raise), and genuine appreciation.
I don't expect a child to study just so a teacher will thank them, or to make money, or simply to get a rating.
I expect them to learn so they actually know something.

Sure, getting an A+ can be motivating, but it’s honestly a bit sad if that's the only thing driving you to learn or pick up something new.
That is the last thing I’d want for a kid at the start of their schooling years.

I don't do my job solely for the paycheck. There's a sense of satisfaction in doing something well, being useful, making a difference, helping people, or teaching... and I truly believe great teachers think the exact same way.

Look, when you're an adult, yeah, relying on that is pretty sad—it's downright pathetic if a parent cares more about a letter on a report card than their own kid—but for little ones, especially those first-graders who have way more important things to worry about than memorizing textbooks, 😁, those grades are everything; they're basically just a pat on the back and a way to say "hey, you did a good job." Real, deep knowledge becomes the priority much, much later down the road...
Besides, let's be real, grades are never the struggle for the kids; the struggle is usually just us parents obsessing over them...😉
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#533 ·
Lawrence Torres56 said:Look, when you're an adult, yeah, relying on that is pretty sad—it's downright pathetic if a parent cares more about a letter on a report card than their own kid—but for little ones, especially those first-graders who have way more important things to worry about than memorizing textbooks, 😁, those grades are everything; they're basically just a pat on the back and a way to say "hey, you did a good job." Real, deep knowledge becomes the priority much, much later down the road...
Besides, let's be real, grades are never the struggle for the kids; the struggle is usually just us parents obsessing over them...😉

Kids just have this natural curiosity that makes learning feel like play. I remember watching my nephew get completely lost in a book about space last week—he didn't even hear me call him for dinner! It’s honestly such a joy to see that spark in them.
They really do love it.
The real issue is that adults end up crushing that natural spark for learning right out of kids. I remember when I was growing up, I used to spend hours taking apart old electronics just to see how they worked, but once I hit high school, everything started feeling like such a chore because of the constant pressure. It shouldn't be that way.
Most frequent ratings.
Because at the end of the day, if you can't measure it, you just can't manage it.
It doesn't even have to be that way.
I’ve always felt that we can motivate kids to learn without constantly leaning on those "if you do this, you get that" threats. I remember when my own kids were starting school, I found that instead of promising a new toy for an A, I’d just focus on how much they could grow. It’s much more effective to encourage them by saying things like, "I know you'll be so proud of yourself once you master this," rather than making everything about a reward. Focusing on that internal sense of achievement really changes the whole dynamic.

When kids are adopted, they get this incredible boost of confidence that’s hard to put into words. Honestly, having that sense of belonging acts like such a powerful motivator for them. I’ve noticed that when a child feels truly wanted and supported by their family, it opens up this whole new world of enthusiasm for school and learning. It's like all that extra encouragement and praise gives them the fuel they need to really dive into their studies and succeed.
Susan Nguyen54 Susan Nguyen54 Newcomer
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#534 ·
Hey everyone :-) This might be a bit off-topic, but I just need to vent for a second.
My kid has had straight A's through first and second grade and is always on their best behavior, yet they haven't received a single award or certificate... I still keep all of mine tucked away in my files; seeing them always brings a smile to my face. It honestly breaks my heart that schools deprive kids of that kind of recognition. At our local elementary school, apparently the rule is that you only get an honor roll certificate at the end of fourth grade if you've maintained perfect grades the whole time. Personally, I think a little win in first or second grade means way more to a child than some big certificate when they're already heading toward middle school.
wanderinggardener12 wanderinggardener12 Active Member
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#535 ·
Lawrence Torres56 said:
I can't believe I'm actually sitting here typing this out, but seriously, does anyone else feel like we’re just spinning our wheels in this endless cycle of nothingness? It’s like, you wake up, you grind through the day, you deal with the usual nonsense, and then you realize you haven't actually moved an inch from where you started. Is it just me, or is the whole vibe lately just... heavy? Like, I’m trying to stay positive and get things done, but sometimes it feels like I'm running through waist-deep mud just to reach a finish line that keeps moving further away every single time I get close. Does that even make sense? Or am I just overthinking the entire situation again? kaže:
You've got it all wrong. Seriously, you couldn't be more off base if you were trying.
I mean, seriously, what does my GPA actually have to do with how I perform on the field? Like, do you honestly think that being able to ace a midterm in a stuffy lecture hall somehow translates to having the grit to make a clutch play when the clock is ticking down in the fourth quarter? It’s wild to me how people try to draw this direct line between a letter grade on a transcript and actual athletic instinct. Does knowing the intricacies of macroeconomics somehow help you read a blitz or tighten up your defense? Honestly, it feels like such a stretch, doesn't it?

Honestly, you can't just breeze through this; the teacher is actually looking at the quality of your assignments and how much effort you put into keeping your notebook organized, because let me tell you, that stuff definitely counts toward your final grade.
Honestly, I find it kind of pathetic that we’re still out here grinding through these massive homework assignments just to chase some arbitrary letter grade, you know? Like, does anyone actually believe that cranking out pages of busywork for a GPA is a legitimate way to learn anything meaningful? It feels so hollow.
The whole point of this assignment is really just to get some reps in, you know? It’s all about getting that practice under your belt.

Look, I don't know if you want to call it harsh or whatever, but let's be real here—if a teacher hands out an assignment, it’s on the students to actually get it done, right? It's pretty basic stuff. And honestly, once the work is turned in, isn't it totally fair for them to face the consequences, whether that means getting a pat on the back with a reward or taking a hit with a penalty? I mean, how else are you supposed to learn how the real world works?
So, today they’re handing out these little participation trophies and performance reviews, but tomorrow? Tomorrow we’re all just sitting around waiting for that paycheck to actually hit our accounts... or are we just supposed to sit here and act surprised when the boss decides the best way to reward our blood, sweat, and tears is with a heartfelt "thanks for everything" and a pat on the back? Seriously, is that the new corporate standard now?🤷
I honestly will never wrap my head around why parents seem to think kids can just magically figure out how to walk, run, or swim—let alone ride a bike—without anyone ever stepping in to give them a little push, yet when it comes to actually learning how to read and write, suddenly everyone acts like you need to dangle a massive carrot in front of them just to get them moving? Is it just me, or is that total madness? Like, you don't exactly hand a toddler a gold star or a brand-new iPad every time they successfully navigate a sidewalk, but the second a kid opens a book, it’s all about the rewards and the constant motivation to keep them from checking out, right? It makes zero sense. 😕

I mean, honestly, I just will never wrap my head around why everyone is so absolutely terrified of a simple letter grade, you know? Like, why is there this massive, collective meltdown every time a GPA or a final mark comes out, and why are people constantly pushing for these endless, wordy descriptive evaluations instead? Is a number really that scary?😁,
Look, the whole issue isn't even about trying to motivate these fifth graders; it’s that there’s zero incentive built into those descriptive grade systems in the first place. How are you supposed to spark any drive when the feedback is just so vague? Honestly, if you hop on Facebook and find one of those groups where kids post their progress reports, you'll see exactly what I mean. It’s pretty hilarious, actually—you see these kids absolutely roasting their own grades and making fun of how useless they are.😉
I totally get where people are coming from when they say you have to bribe kids with grades just to get them to care about history, dive into the classics, or bother learning Latin and some old-school grammar, but honestly? I just don't see the logic in forcing them to memorize a multiplication table like it’s some kind of life-or-death survival skill they'll need for the rest of their lives. Like, seriously, what is the end goal there? 😕

Do you honestly believe that a bunch of first graders actually grasp the idea that what they’re grinding through in class today is going to be the stuff they actually need to survive in the real world later on? Like, do they really sit there thinking, "Hey, if I master this math right now, it’ll pay off when I'm an adult"? Of course not! They're just kids! So why on earth would we even bother trying to motivate them with the promise of some distant, theoretical future utility? It's kind of ridiculous when you think about it, isn't it?😲
I don't know, man, maybe it’s just that my kids—and honestly, half the kids I hang out with—aren't exactly cutting-edge when it comes to this stuff, so they probably need a little extra nudge to care about things that, let's be real, are completely irrelevant to their lives right now...🤷

I mean, if we’re following that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, why even bother sweating over multiplication tables anymore? We’ve all got smartphones and high-powered calculators in our pockets 24/7, right? And honestly, what's the point of drilling cursive handwriting when most people's signatures look like a caffeinated scribble on a Starbucks cup anyway? It’s like, why stress about mastering grammar rules when Microsoft Word or Grammarly can just swoop in and fix every little mistake for you? Is there actually any point to learning the fundamentals when technology basically does the heavy lifting for us?😲 I mean, seriously, what is even the point of dragging ourselves to school every single day? Like, why are we even bothering with all this?

It pains me to have to say this, but this kind of hollow reconciliation—this way of making peace by simply sacrificing the youngest among us, and even the adults, to the grind—is exactly how the system manages to stay so stagnant, so utterly senseless, and so profoundly cruel.
If you really want to go down this road, let's be honest: there is no numerical grading system in an adult's life—well, unless you’re counting the high-stakes world of Wall Street or those shallow social circles where people rank others like they're reviewing a menu. In the real world, we navigate friendships, love, our homes, family dynamics, the chaos of daily events, our own emotions, health, personal growth, and our careers using descriptive nuances, not digits. So, what exactly kind of "preparation for life" are we talking about if children are fed feedback consisting solely of a number, often stripped of any actual context or explanation? Schools try to use these grades to prep kids for professional accountability, but that is such a tiny, narrow slice of the vast reality awaiting them. Someone might graduate as a straight-A student in the corporate ladder, yet when they face the messy, complicated web of human relationships in their private lives, there won't be a scorecard waiting for them. Life isn't a multiple-choice test; it’s far more intricate than that. You’ll find yourself receiving praise and criticism simultaneously, or being met with a demand and a compliment all in one breath. How can a single digit possibly prepare anyone for that level of complexity?
As both a mother and an educator, I find myself staring at certain assignments and wondering if we’ve collectively lost our minds. Occasionally, a teacher hands out something that is just plain nonsensical—an exercise that lacks any real substance or logic. If it happens once in a blue moon, fine; you shrug it off and move on. If it happens five times, well, maybe it's just a bad week. But when you realize that this kind of intellectual emptiness has been drilled into a child's head year after year, doesn't it make you wonder what we are actually accomplishing? Are we really going to sit here and pretend that brainwashing a kid into accepting mediocrity is somehow part of a legitimate education?
I know this one teacher who spends the entire four-year elementary school stretch forcing her students to color things in; every single assignment seems to require some sort of coloring task for their homework. It’s reached a point where a kid is spending roughly thirty percent of their time at home just coloring away. Honestly, if I were a parent in that classroom, I don't think I could stomach it past first grade—maybe even sooner than that. And please, don't even start with me about "developing fine motor skills."
Once you’ve reached adulthood and realize your employer is assigning you tasks that border on the absurd, you’re faced with a rather grim crossroads. You find yourself trapped in a cycle of pointless errands—transcribing data that’s already sitting right there in the spreadsheet, driving across town to the courthouse just to drop off a single document, racing back to the law firm, only to be sent right back out again when a simple errand could have been handled in one efficient trip. Or perhaps it’s even more surreal, like being forced to spend two weeks working alongside contractors on the boss's new suburban home, despite the fact that your actual training and expertise lie in an auto repair shop. When life becomes this disjointed, you really only have two choices: do you swallow your pride and endure the nonsense just to ensure the paycheck clears, or do you walk away entirely? Is it better to quit and take a job as a delivery driver, even though you were trained as an attorney, or perhaps pick up a hammer as a mason, even though you’re meant to be under the hood of a car? At what point does the dignity of a career become worth less than the sheer absurdity of the daily grind?
When you're just a kid, you don't really have a choice in the matter. If you happen to have parents who spend every single day drilling into your head that you need to be compliant—that you have to perform these utterly mindless tasks just because some teacher at school demanded it—you’re essentially being groomed to become an adult who functions as nothing more than an excellent little slave.
I’m not suggesting that a parent should go to war over every single assignment that seems irrational (after all, some things that look pointless might actually serve a purpose, or perhaps it was just a one-off moment of stupidity from the faculty), but if there is a persistent pattern of turning children into obedient drones who lack any sense of critical thinking, then in my view, we are looking at a form of systemic abuse that a parent is obligated to address.
And what happens if the child possesses a slightly stronger personality? What if they intuitively sense the injustice behind these arbitrary demands, yet they end up receiving failing grades, and you—their own parent—simply advise them to stay submissive at all costs? What exactly are you doing to that child's soul?
Standardized molds and rigid structures have their place in certain aspects of upbringing, sure, but where are all the other dimensions of development?
Lawrence Torres56 Lawrence Torres56 Active Member
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#536 ·
wanderinggardener12 said:It pains me to have to say this, but this kind of hollow reconciliation—this way of making peace by simply sacrificing the youngest among us, and even the adults, to the grind—is exactly how the system manages to stay so stagnant, so utterly senseless, and so profoundly cruel.
If you really want to go down this road, let's be honest: there is no numerical grading system in an adult's life—well, unless you’re counting the high-stakes world of Wall Street or those shallow social circles where people rank others like they're reviewing a menu. In the real world, we navigate friendships, love, our homes, family dynamics, the chaos of daily events, our own emotions, health, personal growth, and our careers using descriptive nuances, not digits. So, what exactly kind of "preparation for life" are we talking about if children are fed feedback consisting solely of a number, often stripped of any actual context or explanation? Schools try to use these grades to prep kids for professional accountability, but that is such a tiny, narrow slice of the vast reality awaiting them. Someone might graduate as a straight-A student in the corporate ladder, yet when they face the messy, complicated web of human relationships in their private lives, there won't be a scorecard waiting for them. Life isn't a multiple-choice test; it’s far more intricate than that. You’ll find yourself receiving praise and criticism simultaneously, or being met with a demand and a compliment all in one breath. How can a single digit possibly prepare anyone for that level of complexity?
As both a mother and an educator, I find myself staring at certain assignments and wondering if we’ve collectively lost our minds. Occasionally, a teacher hands out something that is just plain nonsensical—an exercise that lacks any real substance or logic. If it happens once in a blue moon, fine; you shrug it off and move on. If it happens five times, well, maybe it's just a bad week. But when you realize that this kind of intellectual emptiness has been drilled into a child's head year after year, doesn't it make you wonder what we are actually accomplishing? Are we really going to sit here and pretend that brainwashing a kid into accepting mediocrity is somehow part of a legitimate education?
I know this one teacher who spends the entire four-year elementary school stretch forcing her students to color things in; every single assignment seems to require some sort of coloring task for their homework. It’s reached a point where a kid is spending roughly thirty percent of their time at home just coloring away. Honestly, if I were a parent in that classroom, I don't think I could stomach it past first grade—maybe even sooner than that. And please, don't even start with me about "developing fine motor skills."
Once you’ve reached adulthood and realize your employer is assigning you tasks that border on the absurd, you’re faced with a rather grim crossroads. You find yourself trapped in a cycle of pointless errands—transcribing data that’s already sitting right there in the spreadsheet, driving across town to the courthouse just to drop off a single document, racing back to the law firm, only to be sent right back out again when a simple errand could have been handled in one efficient trip. Or perhaps it’s even more surreal, like being forced to spend two weeks working alongside contractors on the boss's new suburban home, despite the fact that your actual training and expertise lie in an auto repair shop. When life becomes this disjointed, you really only have two choices: do you swallow your pride and endure the nonsense just to ensure the paycheck clears, or do you walk away entirely? Is it better to quit and take a job as a delivery driver, even though you were trained as an attorney, or perhaps pick up a hammer as a mason, even though you’re meant to be under the hood of a car? At what point does the dignity of a career become worth less than the sheer absurdity of the daily grind?
When you're just a kid, you don't really have a choice in the matter. If you happen to have parents who spend every single day drilling into your head that you need to be compliant—that you have to perform these utterly mindless tasks just because some teacher at school demanded it—you’re essentially being groomed to become an adult who functions as nothing more than an excellent little slave.
I’m not suggesting that a parent should go to war over every single assignment that seems irrational (after all, some things that look pointless might actually serve a purpose, or perhaps it was just a one-off moment of stupidity from the faculty), but if there is a persistent pattern of turning children into obedient drones who lack any sense of critical thinking, then in my view, we are looking at a form of systemic abuse that a parent is obligated to address.
And what happens if the child possesses a slightly stronger personality? What if they intuitively sense the injustice behind these arbitrary demands, yet they end up receiving failing grades, and you—their own parent—simply advise them to stay submissive at all costs? What exactly are you doing to that child's soul?
Standardized molds and rigid structures have their place in certain aspects of upbringing, sure, but where are all the other dimensions of development?

🤣What does letter grading even have to do with the actual curriculum?... or even more so, how does it relate to parents and the way they approach teaching their own kids? 🤷
It's not just that you completely missed the mark with the boss, you totally missed the mark with the whole station too... 😉
Seriously though, why don't you try to figure out what your actual issue is first? Is it the grading system? Is it this idea of learning through rote memorization instead of actual life lessons? Or is it the parents who refuse to teach their kids that while they have their own way of doing things, there are actual societal norms in the world that they're eventually going to have to deal with? 🤷
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#537 ·
Susan Nguyen54 said:Hey everyone :-) This might be a bit off-topic, but I just need to vent for a second.
My kid has had straight A's through first and second grade and is always on their best behavior, yet they haven't received a single award or certificate... I still keep all of mine tucked away in my files; seeing them always brings a smile to my face. It honestly breaks my heart that schools deprive kids of that kind of recognition. At our local elementary school, apparently the rule is that you only get an honor roll certificate at the end of fourth grade if you've maintained perfect grades the whole time. Personally, I think a little win in first or second grade means way more to a child than some big certificate when they're already heading toward middle school.

Why not just make one yourself? There's no harm in it.

On another note, I really agree with wanderinggardener12, especially regarding the constant repetition of the exact same tasks without any room for creativity. Then, to top it all off, these kids go home and are told they can't complain, they can't express themselves, and they aren't allowed to say if something is boring.

Then you look at the preschool side of things, where kids are basically spoiled with total freedom. They spend most of their time just coloring and drawing over and over again. Then comes the shock when they hit elementary school—they have zero sense of structure or focused work.

Like everything else, I think the "golden mean" is the best way to find success. We need to find a balance that encourages structured assignments where everyone participates equally—teaching responsibility and building stamina—while also fostering creativity, allowing for downtime, and teaching practical skills that nurture free expression and spirit.

The issue is that achieving that takes actual effort. It’s much easier to just sit back and do the bare minimum, blaming "kids these days" or "parents these days." Sure, there are issues there, but there are professionals out there who know how to bring out the absolute best in a child. How do they do it? Well, giving up has become a widespread epidemic in our society, and unfortunately, it seems some people in this profession are part of that trend too.
wanderinggardener12 wanderinggardener12 Active Member
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joined Jun 2012
#538 ·
Lawrence Torres56 said:🤣What does letter grading even have to do with the actual curriculum?... or even more so, how does it relate to parents and the way they approach teaching their own kids? 🤷
It's not just that you completely missed the mark with the boss, you totally missed the mark with the whole station too... 😉
Seriously though, why don't you try to figure out what your actual issue is first? Is it the grading system? Is it this idea of learning through rote memorization instead of actual life lessons? Or is it the parents who refuse to teach their kids that while they have their own way of doing things, there are actual societal norms in the world that they're eventually going to have to deal with? 🤷

Of course there’s a connection between the two. I really don't have the energy to provide an exhaustive breakdown here; if the link between the curriculum and grading scales wasn't clear in my last post, I suspect a deep dive into how they intersect won't do much good either. Still, I can't just let it slide without mentioning that the current curriculum completely overlooks the integration of functional outcomes and developmental milestones. It all circles back to our broken assessment system, where formative evaluation is either treated as a superficial afterthought or ignored entirely.
The boss is where he should be and the station is right where it belongs, but it seems to me you’ve boarded the wrong train entirely.
Education and training—whatever you want to call it—ought to serve the purpose of sustaining life itself; there really isn’t much debate to be had there. However, preparing a child for the world shouldn't be synonymous with recruiting future cogs for a globalized machine that recognizes nothing but the bottom line. I have made my position on this quite clear. I will never view my own children, nor those entrusted to my care, as mere instruments to facilitate someone else's gain. Should they be required to perform tasks they dislike or find difficult, then yes, they certainly ought to learn how to persevere; but to teach children to engage in meaningless, lifelong drudgery simply to satisfy the whims of future employers, all while stifling every other facet of their unique personalities? To me, that feels like nothing short of violence.
It all circles back to the core issues: the curriculum, the actual lesson plans, and those outdated textbooks, not to mention the entire grading system used in our elementary schools. Is it any wonder things feel broken when the very foundation of how we teach and evaluate students is so fundamentally flawed?
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#539 ·
I honestly find myself wondering just how many of those teachers who handle four-year-olds are constantly assigning kids tasks that are, frankly, completely pointless.🤷
Even if someone actually wanted to go down that route (though I can't imagine why anyone would—🤔), the modern American school curriculumum—well, it wouldn't really let you get away with it anyway, since it’s packed with such meaningful, structured assignments that you simply wouldn't have the time to squeeze in all that extra, useless busywork.

*curriculum (singular), curricula (plural) 😉
Lawrence Torres56 Lawrence Torres56 Active Member
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joined Feb 2015
#540 ·
wanderinggardener12 said:Of course there’s a connection between the two. I really don't have the energy to provide an exhaustive breakdown here; if the link between the curriculum and grading scales wasn't clear in my last post, I suspect a deep dive into how they intersect won't do much good either. Still, I can't just let it slide without mentioning that the current curriculum completely overlooks the integration of functional outcomes and developmental milestones. It all circles back to our broken assessment system, where formative evaluation is either treated as a superficial afterthought or ignored entirely.
The boss is where he should be and the station is right where it belongs, but it seems to me you’ve boarded the wrong train entirely.
Education and training—whatever you want to call it—ought to serve the purpose of sustaining life itself; there really isn’t much debate to be had there. However, preparing a child for the world shouldn't be synonymous with recruiting future cogs for a globalized machine that recognizes nothing but the bottom line. I have made my position on this quite clear. I will never view my own children, nor those entrusted to my care, as mere instruments to facilitate someone else's gain. Should they be required to perform tasks they dislike or find difficult, then yes, they certainly ought to learn how to persevere; but to teach children to engage in meaningless, lifelong drudgery simply to satisfy the whims of future employers, all while stifling every other facet of their unique personalities? To me, that feels like nothing short of violence.
It all circles back to the core issues: the curriculum, the actual lesson plans, and those outdated textbooks, not to mention the entire grading system used in our elementary schools. Is it any wonder things feel broken when the very foundation of how we teach and evaluate students is so fundamentally flawed?

Honey, if you've got such a massive problem with the curriculum and the way it handles instruction and training, why not take it up with the Department of Education? They're the ones calling the shots on stuff like that. Besides, you say you're a teacher? That's great! That actually gives you more leverage to go in there and make a difference... personally, I think letter grades are totally fine; I have zero interest in hearing endless praise about my kid, and I definitely don't want to see important issues swept under the rug just because someone prefers descriptive feedback over hard numbers.
And let's be real, school isn't "preparing kids for life" anymore; those days are long gone when kids used to learn how to cook, sew, or build useful things around the house. So, please, stop talking nonsense—as a teacher, you should know better than that... and besides, as a teacher, you're obligated to follow the state-mandated plan and program if you actually care about these kids, because their future education relies on that standardized knowledge, not on whatever individual philosophy a certain teacher decides to follow.

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