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Death is the new god.

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Ronald Rogers27 Ronald Rogers27 Active Member
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#21 ·
That’s exactly where the Essence of Life and Death lies. Truth is Death, and Life is a Lie. Once you finally reach the Essence, you've reached the Truth. You've reached Death.

People who follow Zika don't actually want the Truth. They just want lies. They need a crowd of weak individuals they can herd together using deception to serve their own agendas. These leaders claim they’re the only ones who hold the real Truth, but that's just a setup. They use those truths as tools to manipulate everyone for their own gain.

Real Truth isn't about getting something out of it; it’s about reaching Enlightenment. It's that path toward Enlightenment that the Zika crowd tries so hard to hide from everyone else—those of us who actually live by the rules of the material world.

The whole damn society is rigged. It's set up specifically to bury a mountain of lies that control everything we do. Background. The world, basically, just so you can... Publicly. The world is being tricked by people masking their intentions with "good vibes" and laws that preach equality for everyone—except for God. You see these same types of Zika figures drafting democratic legislation that looks fair on paper, but they’re playing a dangerous game. They position themselves above the very rules they write, acting like they aren't subject to the laws meant to govern human society. It's pure hypocrisy.

Only God has a true sense of things. The people who try to act like they're on that level—usually by hiding behind the "democratic" facade of everyone else fighting just to survive—are the ones with all the money. They take that sheer volume of wealth and turn it into a kind of twisted Idealism. It’s all built on the raw power their bank accounts provide.

To defy the Gods is to seek The Way to Man. To defy Zika is to seek Death.

The Way of Truth isn't found by just rejecting what's already here. It’s about finding an alternative—an alternative way to tap into our Sense. To me, the Way of Truth is really just the Way of Approaching God.

Ronald Rogers27
bluemaker52 bluemaker52 Member
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#22 ·
Yeah... I completely lost track of the fact that Andre Malraux wrote something along the lines of: once you truly become a human being, that’s when it’s time to die (in >). It’s such a profound way to describe the pathos of realization, isn't it? I mean--
Ronald Rogers27 Ronald Rogers27 Active Member
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#23 ·
Becoming a Man isn't some fixed thing. It really depends on your Neighbors and all the lies they tell. So much of it comes down to the neighborhood you grew up in, how you deal with those old-timers, whether you’ve managed to get closer to God, and if you actually use your intuition to figure out who you and everyone else truly are. I mean, is that gut feeling actually yours, or just a bunch of leftover emotions and social ties from the people next door?

Some people, as they grow into being a Man, find themselves drifting toward Death, while others move closer to Life because they finally understood Zeke's positions.

All of those scenarios are Truths, but they're also Lies...

Ronald Rogers27
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#24 ·
.. so ..

1 .. you need your community .. as a sort of anchor ..
2 .. what people call "living" .. is really just this constant negotiation with those around you ..
3 .. whether there’s any way to live differently .. well, we don't know yet — if "differently" means living outside the social circle ..

.. the matter of speech .. that isn't trivial either ..

.. speech was .. how we connected people .. after writing .. then after the internet .. and it expanded our reach .. immensely ..
.. alongside speech came thought .. much like mammals following dinosaurs .. and it has clung to us .. drifting in and out ..
.. and as it drifted .. it touched more deeply into the self .. into our senses and our very existence ..
.. eventually leading to that logical question .. down at the bedrock .. am I an individual .. or just a social creature .. a political animal ..

.. if truth were actually possible .. rather than just unknown .. there could be two reasons for that ..
1 .. truth is complicated ..
2 .. a massive effort is made to hide it ..
.. though if that effort to hide it truly existed .. there would only be one cause .. self-preservation .. survival ..

.. the urge to talk is overwhelming .. on TV, they make it look like they've reached paradise .. once they start speaking ..
.. but their words aren't about the truth .. they are talking for the neighbors ..
.. so .. wait a second .. almost all words are just for the neighbors ..
Jonathan Brooks8 Jonathan Brooks8 Active Member
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#25 ·
redtinker36 said:.. I have to say this again.. what’s the core of my argument here?

.. It’s based on the idea that a person isn't truly alive.. they just exist..

.. It’s based on the fact that there’s a social world—a consensus among people..
.. And the fact that behind that world lies another one—a world of lies—peering out from everyone.. This isn't just some conspiracy theory..

.. Once a person.. realizes their actual place.. they see that.. if everything goes according to plan.. they're screwed..
.. That's why they perform miracles—trying to patch up their true standing with any illusion they can find.. They call love God.. but individuality remains a distant dream, because they are nobody and nothing..

.. The only real way out is.. to stop fighting.. and consistent surrender means death..

.. Let me try once more.. more concisely..

1 .. The neighborhood surrounding you is predatory.. and you are merely prey to it..

2 .. If you engage in a fight with that neighborhood.. you've done exactly what the enemy wants..

3 .. But there is a chance for victory.. and that chance lies in refusing to fight..

.. One more time..

1 .. A person isn't alive.. they simply exist..
2 .. Up until now, they lived within the neighborhood..
3 .. That was until now..

(.. I wrote that down quite well.. it’s a system of teamwork—you repeat it.. constantly repeat it.. that’s how you build a scheme.. something piercing.. something clear.. and that’s where people fall apart.. I know.. I've been there..
.. I don't know.. personally, I think this is ugly enough that there's no reason to delete it.. so whatever.. this is just for me, and I really like it.. )

Religions have been built upon those very foundations since the beginning of time... In any case, while it is never technically too late, one should ideally realize they need to quit sooner rather than later—that way, you can spend more time watching the struggle of the living with a single, fearless perspective (those who remain blissfully unaware that they are actually dying precisely because of that very struggle).
And that is the true, functional form of suicide, whereas the second type of suicide is simply giving up in the sense of a strategic retreat—and a strategic retreat, after all, remains a legitimate part of combat tactics.
Ronald Rogers27 Ronald Rogers27 Active Member
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#26 ·
The answer to all of that is pretty simple... Humans are social creatures by nature. At the end of the day, we need each other—we need our neighbors! 🙂

Ronald Rogers27
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#27 ·
.. death is the spark .. and that’s where it all begins .. really ..
.. so, what does life actually look like at that spark ..

.. back when Jesus was teaching that we’re all meant to be brothers .. people weren't exactly acting like family .. but .. even then, nobody was stopping a slave owner from valuing his property .. respecting it .. or treating it with the same rights he'd give a brother ..
.. why does everything have to perish at the spark .. isn't there some way .. for us to actually become brothers .. or just stay alive ..
Jonathan Brooks8 Jonathan Brooks8 Active Member
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#28 ·
There’s an old proverb—I believe it's Japanese in origin—that suggests it is far better to turn back to the starting line when you realize you're on the wrong path, rather than stubbornly pressing on until the very end... many people convince themselves they've traveled too far to turn around now, feeling the sunk cost is just too high—but in reality, it always pays to backtrack from a mistake if you want to spend the rest of your life doing things right...

After all, you can't truly experience a fresh start without first retreating—whether that means settling an old debt or simply shedding your outdated skin... they say you can't pour new wine into old wineskins, but then again, they clearly never had the benefit of modern recycling programs or those glass bottles with the deposit returns.
Mark Torres14 Mark Torres14 Regular
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#29 ·
Life is just a flicker. Death is when the flickering stops. But how can a flicker—something defined entirely by its movement—ever truly understand what it means to be still?
Who’s to say there aren't wonders in this world beyond the flicker?
Ronald Rogers27 Ronald Rogers27 Active Member
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#30 ·
Times have changed so much that even parents don't recognize their own kids anymore, and siblings are turning on each other... It feels like everyone just bows down to His Highness's interests now...

How do you even wrap your head around this? You see some kid get slapped with five years in prison just for breaking into a gas station and causing a few thousand bucks in damage, while the CEOs who tanked entire corporations—bleeding out $100 billion in losses—just walk away with "golden parachute" retirement packages worth tens of millions.

Death stalks the world, alongside a moral Moratorium... How can we expect people to act with any sense of integrity when Zika becomes more insatiable and greedy by the day? 😲

Ronald Rogers27
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#31 ·
.. there are moments .. where you can achieve a sort of .. freezing .. a total stillness .. .. in those moments, it isn’t just about finding a way .. to pause yourself .. sometimes it feels like you could actually freeze the entire environment .. what mystics call .. stopping the world ..
.. the issue with love is .. its inherent goodness .. you simply cannot walk away from it .. it is the only true good ..
.. thoughts have the exact same problem .. they serve us far too well .. by creating blueprints for things that don't even exist yet .. they are just too useful ..
.. which is why a thought is such a difficult thing to let go of ..
.. to say .. that thoughts participate in shaping an illusory reality .. is only partially right .. thoughts .. within reality .. take the fragments of reality they manage to gather .. and construct the reality they are able to assemble ..
.. if a thought could gather more pieces of reality .. and the resulting reality it built .. were any more substantial .. it would feel more real ..
.. but .. the brain is nothing special .. it merely redirects .. it creates channels .. patterns .. it takes existence — which reaches a person as raw sensation — and channels it into flows .. which might manifest as physical forms or bursts of energy .. which might move a hand or compose a painting ..
.. in short .. this leads to one conclusion .. .. of all the ways one can expend themselves .. their energy .. their very being .. .. the best way is the one that doesn't consume the self ..
Ronald Rogers27 Ronald Rogers27 Active Member
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#32 ·
Our thoughts are basically just a collection of prepackaged convictions and unwritten social rules we’re forced to follow... If we actually want to change the world, we have to shift the entire way we think... We need to break free from the beliefs society has been shoving down our throats since the day we were born.

Honestly, that sounds nearly impossible to me. Those boundaries are baked right into who we are as people... Stepping outside of them feels like death... Or maybe, if you're lucky, it's a new kind of life.

Ronald Rogers27
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#33 ·
.. is there some kind of natural law .. that grants the wolf the right to stay fat .. while the sheep get to stay in high numbers ..?

.. it’s the right to lie .. you could call it illogic or just plain stupidity .. but .. it is the right to lie ..
.. it’s no different from a President claiming .. he’s stepping down for personal reasons .. only to walk away two days later because "national interests" took precedence over his own ..
.. there isn't anything inherently wrong here .. I’m not saying any of this lacks value .. I don't mean to suggest there's no worth in it ..

.. everything holds weight here ..

.. the world doesn't work any other way .. God didn't create it differently .. and it didn't evolve any other way .. there is no version of reality .. where a wolf has a right to be well-fed while the sheep remain numerous .. because the moment the wolf becomes a real factor .. it becomes obvious .. that for him to survive .. some sheep are going to have to get screwed ..
.. and it’s the same world .. governed by that same natural law .. the kind of world where it’s considered "natural" to kill a Black man .. take his kidney .. and transplant it into someone else .. provided they can pay .. pay the person willing to snatch him .. kill him .. harvest the organ .. and hide the body ..

.. so why now .. at the very moment when .. evolution .. survival of the fittest .. Darwinism .. reaches its simplest and most honest conclusion .. why would we suddenly strip Darwinism of its only logical outcome ..

.. I don't think a philosophy .. whose strongest argument is simply one's own fear .. is much of a philosophy at all ..

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.. I suspect many will decide it's time to switch political parties .. only when .. the alternative .. is essentially suicide ..
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#34 ·
Honestly, whatever... half the neighborhood around here operates on that exact same mindset..
Jack Ortiz7 Jack Ortiz7 Member
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#35 ·
Everything you can dream up
is actually within reach
It’s just one of those things, you know? Like how they say if you work hard enough, you'll eventually outsmart the system rather than just being another face in the crowd.
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#36 ·
.. feels like it’s been going on for ages..
.. there’s something off about a wolf looking at a sheep..
.. once he watches how she grazes..
.. the wolf just loses his grip on reality..

.. when the sheep catches his eyes..
.. she doesn't even bleat.. let alone run..

.. the sheep has no clue how to fight back..
.. and the wolf just feeds on that fear..


.. and now you'd want to tell me.. you rookie..

.. I don't get these dynamics.. why they can't just coexist..

.. but whatever.. just because you don't get it doesn't mean the dynamic isn't real..
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#37 ·
.. sure .. I mean .. whatever you say .. anything is possible ..

.. I can already see the process unfolding .. like some Frankenstein zoo-transformation corporation ..

.. First, they systematically strip the wolf from the wild .. just to make sure he stops thinking for himself .. They bring in the top-tier animal psychoanalysts for that specific purpose .. and in that sense ..
.. Then, they methodically .. introduce him to the benefits of peas .. green beans .. and sautéed kale with finely chopped leeks .. with hints of carrot and basil .. and finally, a single spoonful of chicken bouillon ..
(.. then he starts singing .. there are things .. things you don't tell everyone .. you just whisper them to someone .. you know what I mean ..)

.. After that, they perform surgery to extend his digestive tract so he can actually digest plant matter properly ..
.. Then they file down his teeth .. put on braces .. maybe some crowns .. maybe even some scaffolding if it gets bad enough ..

.. And finally .. damn it .. he’s sent to vocal lessons so he can master the perfect high-pitched bleat and the low-pitched baaa ..
.. All for the sake of better socialization .. with the rest of the sheep .. damn it ..
Jack Ortiz7 Jack Ortiz7 Member
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#38 ·
A pretty grim thought, honestly
I’m holding out hope for that vision from the Bible
The one where the lamb and the lion just chill together in total peace
Scott Wright92 Scott Wright92 Member
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#39 ·
.. there are plenty of massacres in the Bible too.. various kinds..
.. man.. you clearly didn't read it closely enough..
.. looks like God had a thing for lambs.. but he wasn't quite as fond of firstborn sons.. though I guess that depended on whose side you were on..

.. the Bible was written by all sorts of people.. sweethearts..
.. they saw something that fit their narrative.. so they added a little, took a little away.. then added some more, took some more... eventually they just lost the plot.. started tweaking things to please the neighbors.. and in the end, you get this mess. It’s a joke. What actually happened isn't really what's on the page anymore.. well, maybe there's a trace of the truth left.. but it's buried deep..
redtinker36 redtinker36 Active MemberOP
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#40 ·
.. whose command is it..? "Thou shalt not kill"..?
.. the commandment preceding that one is ".. an eye for an eye .. a tooth for a tooth .. or .. you kill me .. and I'll get you back .. let's call it blood vengeance .."

.. it could be God's command -- since He knows exactly what He intends for this world He created ..
.. or perhaps just a social contract among people..

.. if it's a social contract .. then his version of .. collective action .. looks like this..

1 .. it becomes a message sent to a bad actor .. a signal that says .. we, the united neighbors, are taking it upon ourselves to take you out if you don't behave..
2 .. and a message to a good person .. which says .. we know he deserves to die, but don't take matters into your own hands .. we will handle the killing and ensure justice is served..

.. and .. here's a little trivia question for you..

.. if you can no longer rely on those united neighbors to look out for you .. are you forced to go back to killing someone all by yourself?

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