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How realistic is the idea of a United States of America?

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wiredmason19 wiredmason19 Member
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#21 ·
northernhawk55 said:So, erasing the unique ethnic and cultural identities of small nations is the "right way" for Europe?

Thanks, bye.
An America where you can't hear Gaelic, Basque, or English anymore just isn't America.

those national characteristics will never truly vanish entirely.......

And honestly, we should be thankful that most of the people in our immediate region share similar backgrounds, so we aren't constantly clashing with everyone else over identity issues... do you realize that if religious and all those other deep-seated differences eventually fade away in the distant future, the only conflicts left will be between the wealthy and the poor, which sounds a whole lot better to me than the current state of affairs where people count every single tiny difference like they're counting grains of sand........

Just think about how much blood has been spilled between various small groups all because of those specific cultural traits...... even among us Americans, history shows there have been countless internal struggles, not to mention the conflicts with much larger powers.......

which is why I truly believe an America where those differences aren't so sharply drawn is the only way to ensure a future without war and one filled with economic prosperity

P. S. Just to be clear, I'm not saying we should get rid of traditional dances or folk costumes, I just think the idea of a melting pot isn't such a bad thing after all...
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#22 ·
I’ve got a real allergy to those Marxist takes on history...

Wealth or poverty rarely trigger wars or nationalistic hatreds—well, maybe a bit more often in the 20th century, but even then, they aren't the main driver...
Roger Bishop22 Roger Bishop22 Active Member
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#23 ·
Man, I am seriously looking forward to seeing what that whole European Union empire looks like 🙏👍
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#24 ·
Honestly, a unified United States of America is totally doable if the people over here just wake up and smell the coffee. It feels like crises and wars are just being cooked up on purpose to scare everyone into handing over all their power to some massive, supranational super-state.
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#25 ·
What are we even debating when there are over a billion hungry people out there?

The European Union and the USA should be ashamed.
And we've been sitting around waiting for an invitation from the European Union for years. We aren't any better, either. Just a bunch of bureaucrats running things.
wiredmason19 wiredmason19 Member
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#26 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:I’ve got a real allergy to those Marxist takes on history...

Wealth or poverty rarely trigger wars or nationalistic hatreds—well, maybe a bit more often in the 20th century, but even then, they aren't the main driver...

If you had taken a closer look at my previous post, you might have noticed I actually wrote that... once all the other distinctions fade away (you know, when we eventually all share the same nationality, religion, skin color, eye color, and whatever else makes us different), that's when the only conflicts left will be between the haves and the have-nots...

And one more thing... I’d bet anything that the Hundred Years' War wasn't fought over something trivial like quail in New Zealand... oh wait, it wasn't... it was fought to grab more wealth and consolidate power... there isn't a single war in history that hasn't been driven by the pursuit of new territory, riches, or influence...
restlesscrane152 restlesscrane152 Active Member
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wiredmason19 said:If you had taken a closer look at my previous post, you might have noticed I actually wrote that... once all the other distinctions fade away (you know, when we eventually all share the same nationality, religion, skin color, eye color, and whatever else makes us different), that's when the only conflicts left will be between the haves and the have-nots...

And one more thing... I’d bet anything that the Hundred Years' War wasn't fought over something trivial like quail in New Zealand... oh wait, it wasn't... it was fought to grab more wealth and consolidate power... there isn't a single war in history that hasn't been driven by the pursuit of new territory, riches, or influence...

Even the Bolshevik Revolution...
Charles Morales24 Charles Morales24 Newcomer
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#28 ·
ASEAN, the European Union, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the Pan-African Alliance, the North American and South American Alliance, the Muslim League—and there you have it.😕
Just keep pushing forward.👎
wiredmason19 wiredmason19 Member
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#29 ·
restlesscrane152 said:Even the Bolshevik Revolution...

So, you have this one group that essentially orchestrates an entire revolution just to seize control of the government... I mean, what exactly is so strange about that part...😁
restlesscrane152 restlesscrane152 Active Member
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#30 ·
wiredmason19 said:So, you have this one group that essentially orchestrates an entire revolution just to seize control of the government... I mean, what exactly is so strange about that part...😁

Whatever. Just another war fought for nothing but greed and power. That's all there ever is.
Patrick Hill43 Patrick Hill43 Newcomer
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#31 ·
SED—maybe that would finally lower the temperature everywhere, since everyone would just be seen as Europeans instead of being stuck with those regional labels...

But seriously, has anyone ever stopped to wonder why we call it the United States rather than the United States of America? It feels more logical that way. Is it just some weird collective phobia of the letter U?
Patrick Hill43 Patrick Hill43 Newcomer
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#32 ·
Noah Cruz75 said:What are we even debating when there are over a billion hungry people out there?

The European Union and the USA should be ashamed.
And we've been sitting around waiting for an invitation from the European Union for years. We aren't any better, either. Just a bunch of bureaucrats running things.

That’s honestly the worst part of this whole argument. Why should we care about a billion starving people? Am I supposed to suffer just so some random person halfway across the globe can move here and take a better job? No thanks—out of sight, out of mind.👍
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#33 ·
Patrick Hill43 said:That’s honestly the worst part of this whole argument. Why should we care about a billion starving people? Am I supposed to suffer just so some random person halfway across the globe can move here and take a better job? No thanks—out of sight, out of mind.👍

Funny how they wiped three of my threads criticizing the US government and calling for boycotts. What does that have to do with hungry people?
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#34 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:I’ve got a real allergy to those Marxist takes on history...

Wealth or poverty rarely trigger wars or nationalistic hatreds—well, maybe a bit more often in the 20th century, but even then, they aren't the main driver...

Look, wealth vs. poverty is just the starting point, one of those basic templates. From there, you get friction that can spiral into massive conflicts, but it all boils down to one thing: how much skin does each side have in the game? It’s all about what’s actually at stake.
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#35 ·
wiredmason19 said:So, you have this one group that essentially orchestrates an entire revolution just to seize control of the government... I mean, what exactly is so strange about that part...😁

Time for a new revolution. We need to end this whole European Union delusion and kick the Euro puppets out of office.
That’s an uphill battle. In the US, we don't even have a real opposition to the establishment; they just won't let any actual alternative gain traction.
I see a revolution against the European Union as the only way out.
wiredmason19 wiredmason19 Member
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#36 ·
Noah Cruz75 said:Time for a new revolution. We need to end this whole European Union delusion and kick the Euro puppets out of office.
That’s an uphill battle. In the US, we don't even have a real opposition to the establishment; they just won't let any actual alternative gain traction.
I see a revolution against the European Union as the only way out.

I actually see things quite differently than that..........

In a country as small as ours, being part of the European Union could actually help us tackle corruption and maybe even shift the local mindset for the better, which is something we really could use right now...
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#37 ·
wiredmason19 said:I actually see things quite differently than that..........

In a country as small as ours, being part of the European Union could actually help us tackle corruption and maybe even shift the local mindset for the better, which is something we really could use right now...

You really think you can change a national mindset that easily?
It doesn't make sense. The people tasked with cleaning up corruption are usually the ones deepest in it.
We aren't solving this anytime soon—not for at least 20 years. We're nowhere near ready. Even Bulgaria and Romania haven't managed it, and they're already in the European Union.
There’s a lot of rot here. To put it poetically, "something is deeply decayed within the state of Denmark."
wiredmason19 wiredmason19 Member
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#38 ·
Noah Cruz75 said:You really think you can change a national mindset that easily?
It doesn't make sense. The people tasked with cleaning up corruption are usually the ones deepest in it.
We aren't solving this anytime soon—not for at least 20 years. We're nowhere near ready. Even Bulgaria and Romania haven't managed it, and they're already in the European Union.
There’s a lot of rot here. To put it poetically, "something is deeply decayed within the state of Denmark."


It’s hard to argue that Western Europe is any more corrupt than we are, but the truth is, you can't change a culture overnight, though I do believe that joining the European Union will definitely help accelerate that shift...
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#39 ·
wiredmason19 said:It’s hard to argue that Western Europe is any more corrupt than we are, but the truth is, you can't change a culture overnight, though I do believe that joining the European Union will definitely help accelerate that shift...

We’re already done for. We're 100% reliant on Western cash and loans, even if nobody wants to admit it. Our leaders are completely beholden to whatever instructions they get from the West.
The only way out is a revolution—the kind where the working class finally snaps because they can't afford their debts or even basic survival anymore.
Arthur Anderson49 Arthur Anderson49 Active Member
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#40 ·
Noah Cruz75 said:We’re already done for. We're 100% reliant on Western cash and loans, even if nobody wants to admit it. Our leaders are completely beholden to whatever instructions they get from the West.
The only way out is a revolution—the kind where the working class finally snaps because they can't afford their debts or even basic survival anymore.

So what? It’s always been this way. I mean, the last time things actually looked different was back in 1941, if I recall correctly.

The only real solution I see is a full-blown revolution—basically the working class just rising up because they can't afford their loans or even basic groceries anymore.

Yeah, sure thing. Because a revolution is definitely going to put food on everyone's table.

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