What's your take on the tragedy in San Francisco?

Man, you wouldn't believe some of the stuff this guy reads online; he acts like he’s completely blameless, blaming everything from historical wars to even horror movies for his issues. Honestly, the guy was just unhinged, so there isn't much point in arguing about it. People start throwing around PTSD as an excuse, but I mean, if that were the case, I could probably make the same claim, though it's not even clear if he ever actually served in the military.🤷
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

Joseph Goebbels was Hitler's most loyal lieutenant, and while he went to his death shortly after the leader, the fact that they killed their own children makes his situation somewhat comparable here. Of course, everyone is absolutely horrified by what Goebbels did, but keep in mind he was hunkered down in a bunker while Soviet shells were raining down, so he had legitimate fears about what would happen to his kids if they fell into communist hands—and interestingly, he actually wanted them to live, but eventually gave in to his wife's wishes. This guy we're talking about is way worse than Goebbels, yet people are still trying to make excuses for him.😲

If what’s being reported in the New York Post is actually accurate, the whole situation starts to make much more sense—it looks like pure desperation fueled by illness. You have this cocktail of mental fog from the disease mixed with those old-school, traditionalist values where the man is seen as the absolute pillar of the family. It's that mindset where everything revolves around him, he's indispensable, and keeping up appearances for the sake of "family honor" is everything. In that kind of culture, his various affairs are basically brushed under the rug as long as they aren't splashed across the front page of the Times.

Unlike cancer, AIDS carries this heavy stigma because people link it to reckless behavior or certain lifestyles. When someone is battling cancer, people offer sympathy, but when it comes to AIDS, there’s often judgment or even avoidance. I’m not saying that’s how things should be, but that’s just the reality of the society we live in.

I’m honestly curious to see how this whole thing unfolds once they start digging up the truth hidden behind that polished facade. 😢

Gary Perez9, nobody is actually making excuses for him. We're just trying to make sense of it all.

Jerry Martinez5 said:I’m honestly curious to see how this whole thing unfolds once they start digging up the truth hidden behind that polished facade. 😢

Gary Perez9, nobody is actually making excuses for him. We're just trying to make sense of it all.

I mean, who even is this guy? Is he even a veteran? How does someone become a high-ranking inspector by the age of 23?
It makes me wonder if he had those jealous, possessive tendencies, too. It’s like people couldn't function without him—as if he were some kind of god walking among us.☕When that fake, idyllic image finally shattered, he just went out there and started fighting everyone, all while playing the part of a respected citizen.🤷

At the end of the day, we can spend our time judging or making excuses, but the damage is already done. The vessel is shattered. He’s gone, the woman is gone, and the children are gone too. There is no saving them now, and there is no one left to hold accountable.

Maybe it’s just depression...

I find myself scrolling through the comments on the local news sites out of California, reading what those Lawrence types have to say. Is it just me, or does everyone seem to be scrambling to find some pathetic excuse for a murderer? They bring up mental illness, PTSD, financial struggles—as if any of that makes it okay.
To put it bluntly, there is absolutely no justification for such human filth. Only a true monster could lay hands on children. May they burn in hell forever...

Rebecca Chavez85 said:I find myself scrolling through the comments on the local news sites out of California, reading what those Lawrence types have to say. Is it just me, or does everyone seem to be scrambling to find some pathetic excuse for a murderer? They bring up mental illness, PTSD, financial struggles—as if any of that makes it okay.
To put it bluntly, there is absolutely no justification for such human filth. Only a true monster could lay hands on children. May they burn in hell forever...

Finally, someone with some common sense☕It’s wild to me—when something like this happens in America, people label them as crazy, but when it happens back home, people try to spin it into something else entirely. They come up with all these justifications as if it changes anything at all.🙄Money issues? Please.🤣The guy lived in an expensive apartment and was building a house that definitely wasn't "modest," not to mention funding affairs and stuff like that. And PTSD? Give me a break.🤷😕The absolute dumbest part is hearing these explanations about how they saw war on TV and now have PTSD. Good grief, I actually lived through combat myself; it wasn't a massive deployment, but I was close enough to feel the ground shake and hear the shells landing about a mile away, yet that doesn't give me any right to kill anyone. This guy was just a lunatic and a piece of work, but the real problem is that people are trying to justify him, which really just shows how broken our society is.☕

There’s absolutely no excuse for taking a life, let alone turning that violence on someone else.
What could his family have possibly done to trigger this? Was it an illness, some infidelity, money troubles, or something along those lines?
It all comes down to how a person is wired. I truly believe that a sane individual, no matter how trapped they feel in a desperate situation, wouldn't even entertain the thought of murder, much less sit down and plot it out.

The guy didn't want his family to have to live on after he died from that disease, and he definitely didn't want his kids growing up knowing their father succumbed to AIDS (assuming that was the illness). He viewed it as a disgrace and couldn't stomach them knowing about his shame. So, out of pure selfishness, he killed them instead.
Instead of finding peace in the idea that they might carry on, he was too self-absorbed to allow that to happen.
Because of that, he failed life's most critical test and ended up looking like an absolute fool, though I guess he wasn't aware of that at the time.
I honestly don't get why they buried the killer alongside his victims, especially since being a father or a husband doesn't give someone total dominion over their lives to justify such a perversion. That idiot should have been put in an unmarked grave or cremated, with his ashes scattered, or maybe just driven through the heart with a stake just to be safe.

velvetmaker3 said:The guy didn't want his family to have to live on after he died from that disease, and he definitely didn't want his kids growing up knowing their father succumbed to AIDS (assuming that was the illness). He viewed it as a disgrace and couldn't stomach them knowing about his shame. So, out of pure selfishness, he killed them instead.
Instead of finding peace in the idea that they might carry on, he was too self-absorbed to allow that to happen.
Because of that, he failed life's most critical test and ended up looking like an absolute fool, though I guess he wasn't aware of that at the time.
I honestly don't get why they buried the killer alongside his victims, especially since being a father or a husband doesn't give someone total dominion over their lives to justify such a perversion. That idiot should have been put in an unmarked grave or cremated, with his ashes scattered, or maybe just driven through the heart with a stake just to be safe.

That’s probably the best way to put it—it was nothing but sick selfishness and vanity. They really shouldn't be laid to rest together.☕

Rebecca Chavez85 said:I find myself scrolling through the comments on the local news sites out of California, reading what those Lawrence types have to say. Is it just me, or does everyone seem to be scrambling to find some pathetic excuse for a murderer? They bring up mental illness, PTSD, financial struggles—as if any of that makes it okay.
To put it bluntly, there is absolutely no justification for such human filth. Only a true monster could lay hands on children. May they burn in hell forever...

There are no excuses. None. We're just trying to figure out how someone turns into such a monster.

ha, I suppose someone has to play the villain...

Honestly, I think we all have our own breaking point—he finally just hit his and snapped. It really just comes down to the individual, doesn't it?

[I fail to grasp why anyone would bury a killer alongside his victims; just because he was their father or husband doesn't mean they should permit such a perverse display. That fool ought to have been interred in an unmarked grave or cremated so his ashes could be scattered—or perhaps driven through the heart with a stake, just to be certain.]

I suspect the victim's family is simply paralyzed by shock and likely remains oblivious to the gravity of the situation, as I find it impossible to believe anyone in their right mind would ever consent to this. Or perhaps, more cynically, no one even bothered to ask them.
According to reports from the local news before the procession began, a man announced over the loudspeaker that "anyone wishing to offer comments or condolences should step away immediately." Apparently, in a small town in California, it is considered perfectly standard for both the executioner and his victims to share a final resting place.
Furthermore, there has been a deafening silence regarding the hypocrisy of the church. Is it truly moral to perform a mass for a murderer or to grant him a full funeral service according to religious rites???

Rebecca Chavez85 said:[I fail to grasp why anyone would bury a killer alongside his victims; just because he was their father or husband doesn't mean they should permit such a perverse display. That fool ought to have been interred in an unmarked grave or cremated so his ashes could be scattered—or perhaps driven through the heart with a stake, just to be certain.]

I suspect the victim's family is simply paralyzed by shock and likely remains oblivious to the gravity of the situation, as I find it impossible to believe anyone in their right mind would ever consent to this. Or perhaps, more cynically, no one even bothered to ask them.
According to reports from the local news before the procession began, a man announced over the loudspeaker that "anyone wishing to offer comments or condolences should step away immediately." Apparently, in a small town in California, it is considered perfectly standard for both the executioner and his victims to share a final resting place.
Furthermore, there has been a deafening silence regarding the hypocrisy of the church. Is it truly moral to perform a mass for a murderer or to grant him a full funeral service according to religious rites???

I suspect the victim's family is simply paralyzed by shock and likely remains oblivious to the gravity of the situation, as I find it impossible to believe anyone in their right mind would ever consent to this. Or perhaps, more cynically, no one even bothered to ask them.
According to reports from the local news before the procession began, a man announced over the loudspeaker that "anyone wishing to offer comments or condolences should step away immediately." Apparently, in a small town in California, it is considered perfectly standard for both the executioner and his victims to share a final resting place.
Furthermore, there has been a deafening silence regarding the hypocrisy of the church. Is it truly moral to perform a mass for a murderer or to grant him a full funeral service according to religious rites???

I suspect the victim's family is simply paralyzed by shock and likely remains oblivious to the gravity of the situation, as I find it impossible to believe anyone in their right mind would ever consent to this. Or perhaps, more cynically, no one even bothered to ask them.
According to reports from the local news before the procession began, a man announced over the loudspeaker that "anyone wishing to offer comments or condolences should step away immediately." Apparently, in a small town in California, it is considered perfectly standard for both the executioner and his victims to share a final resting place.
Furthermore, there has been a deafening silence regarding the hypocrisy of the church. Is it truly moral to perform a mass for a murderer or to grant him a full funeral service according to religious rites???
I'm guessing the victim's family is just in total shock right now and probably hasn't even processed what's happening, because I really don't think anyone in their right mind would permit this under normal circumstances. Or, for all we know, nobody even gave them a choice.
According to reports from the local news before the funeral procession started, someone over the loudspeaker announced that "anyone wishing to make a statement or comment should step forward immediately." Apparently, in a small town in California, it’s perfectly standard for the perpetrator and the victims to share a burial plot.
And let's not even get started on the hypocrisy of the church. Is it even remotely moral to hold a mass for a murderer or give him a full religious send-off???

As for the church, I don't know, I guess they might just stick to the whole forgiveness angle and call it a day. But burying him in the same plot? That is just unbelievable, especially since he was considered such a respected member of the community.😲It seems like money is the only thing that matters here, which is pretty much always the case when real estate becomes an issue. Just imagine the scene where the family of the deceased wife shows up to leave flowers on the grave of the man who killed their daughter—it’s absolutely infuriating. You shouldn't even leave a trace that a guy like that ever existed.☕

Gary Perez9, which specific Viper are you even talking about?

It’s nothing but pure hypocrisy, and we all know exactly who I mean. On one hand, you have a true veteran—not just some bureaucrat's definition of one—who takes his own life only to be denied a proper funeral service by the church. Meanwhile, this absolute trash kills an entire family and is still served a mass?

If you’re a believer, you should know that God is the one who judges and forgives, not some random person on the internet.

Personally, I find it distasteful when people throw around terms like "trash" to describe anyone. This individual committed a terrible crime. He took his own life, so the state didn't even get a chance to put him on trial. I'm no expert on church doctrine, but I know that for a long time, they wouldn't allow someone who committed suicide to be buried in a cemetery or receive religious rites. I suppose I don't know exactly when those rules changed.

The church used to treat suicide much more harshly than murder.

Rebecca Chavez85 said:Gary Perez9, which specific Viper are you even talking about?

It’s nothing but pure hypocrisy, and we all know exactly who I mean. On one hand, you have a true veteran—not just some bureaucrat's definition of one—who takes his own life only to be denied a proper funeral service by the church. Meanwhile, this absolute trash kills an entire family and is still served a mass?

I think you're spot on, because from everything I've heard, that guy was nothing more than a fake veteran on paper, while actual veterans are out here struggling through hell just to get by, yet everything seemed to just fall into his lap. And since we're touching on religious matters, they say Jesus Christ redeemed the sins of many, but I really don't think this guy is part of that group.

Take that secret to the grave