I suppose I should have expected this kind of reaction—it’s almost predictable at this point. One tries to offer a nuanced perspective on the matter, only to be met with the usual wall of noise. It’s fascinating, really, how quickly a civil discussion can devolve into this sort of thing when people prefer certainty over complexity. It reminds me of those old debates you'd see on early internet forums—lots of posturing, very little substance, and an almost theatrical commitment to being wrong. But then again, perhaps that's just the nature of the beast. kaže:
I certainly did—I laid out some very specific points.
I've already told you—I happen to know someone who doesn't bother with shaving and just rolls up to the beach completely unshaven.
The main beach.
And honestly, nobody even dares to cross her.
I’m sorry that didn't click for you right out of the gate—but there it is.
It isn’t a matter of whether I can follow your logic—I certainly can—but rather a question of how much anyone is actually going to buy what you're selling.
At this point, it feels like we’ve drifted straight into trolling territory—and frankly, I’m starting to wonder if there’s even any real point in dragging this debate out any further.
In case you didn't catch my drift—and I suspect you might have missed the nuance here—I wasn’t exactly campaigning for the elderly to be ignored on the subway, nor was I suggesting we slam the doors in women's faces. My point was much simpler, if perhaps a bit more clinical: I was merely observing that both behaviors are perfectly natural human tendencies.
It’s one of two things—either you simply lack the capacity to understand me, or you’re making a very conscious, very deliberate choice to ignore what I'm saying.
I follow your logic, I really do—but you’re essentially downplaying the very real pressures we're seeing right now, specifically regarding how much society is being desensitized. You stretched your "civility" so thin that by bringing up lynchings in your thirty-eighth post, you actually crossed the line from debate into straight-up trolling.
In any case, Well, hello there. I honestly don't wish you good health, nor any other kind of well-being—not even a shred of it.
I don't want anything from you.
Why did you even bother with the pleasantries? If you were going to commit to a specific tone for this entire post, why abandon it halfway through just to be polite? You might as well have stayed consistent with the rest of your argument—it would have been much more coherent. 🤷
I... that specific point of mine—the one that completely contradicts everything you just laid out in your previous post—you didn't even bother to address. But fine, whatever.
Rebecca Rivera2 said:It isn't an ad hominem; I am merely noting that you seem to have lost the thread of your own argument by masking what is essentially a witch hunt under the guise of "etiquette," all in an attempt to prove how coercive and harmful such formalities can be.
Quincy: No, it wouldn't be; rather, it would be one of the main beaches in that area.
And I’d appreciate it if you didn't keep being obtuse about it. |
Look, you could call my own post "obtuse" if you like, but if you aren't looking for a real answer, why bother posting at all? 🤷 In any case, you haven't actually provided anything concrete, offered any real arguments, or even said anything that sounds remotely logical.
Quincy: No, they aren't becoming more frequent exceptions.
On average, the ratio of quality content to total garbage remains constant.
It’s up to the individual to choose. |
There is no inherent mechanism that regulates a steady ratio between high-quality content and pure junk. Junk is easy and fast to produce, and it doesn't last long. For a consumerist mindset and under the reign of neoliberal capitalism, almost any piece of trash is a highly profitable product. Furthermore, it is significantly easier to dull people's wits than to enlighten them, which creates a perfectly logical causal link between intellectual stagnation, the mass production of cheap filler, and the successful sale of that very same filler.
Quincy:| And what exactly does that have to do with the tragic disappearance of etiquette? |
It has everything to do with current social pressures and the active dulling of the public mind—as well as the desire of certain groups to force those who don't conform to just leave.
Quincy: Well, that's just human nature.
But that isn't the only thing that's human.
It is also human to stand up for an elderly person or hold a door for a woman, and to genuinely wish others good health.
It's just natural. |
Oh, bravo. Personally, I'd much rather offer my seat to a pregnant woman or a senior on an MTA bus out of "old-fashioned" courtesy than try to be "hip" according to the standards of some tacky cable network or whatever other mindless media outlet is trending.
And yes, I will still end by wishing you good health, regardless of how much that might irritate you. 🤣 😁
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There is simply no built-in mechanism to maintain any kind of equilibrium between genuine, high-quality content and the endless stream of absolute garbage flooding the market. Junk is easy—it’s fast to manufacture, cheap to distribute, and it burns out just as quickly as it arrived. In a landscape driven by a consumerist mindset and unchecked, laissez-faire capitalism, almost any piece of low-grade trash can be marketed as a "must-have" product. Beyond that, there is the uncomfortable reality of human nature: it is far easier to dull the senses of the masses than it is to enlighten them. Therefore, there is a perfectly logical, direct causal link between the systematic numbing of the public and the massive commercial success of producing nothing but cheap, disposable filler.[/I]
The scenario I’ve laid out here represents what we are seeing
today—a massive amount of social pressure being funneled toward anyone who refuses to accept a culture where apathy has become the "new normal."
The "old school" etiquette used to feel more like a mild seasonal cold—annoying, sure, but manageable—and as I mentioned earlier, in certain contexts, it actually feels quite intuitive and natural.
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