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Getting a loan through an Austrian bank

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Scott Taylor8 Scott Taylor8 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jan 2011
#121 ·
steeltrucker10 said:So, I gave the bank in the USA a call this morning. Here’s the deal they laid out: they're looking for a 1:3 mortgage ratio, three pay stubs, a 9% interest rate, and a 10-year term. The cap on the loan amount is $100,000.

Well, I just got off the phone with someone in Austria myself, and they told me you need a 1:16 mortgage ratio and a 22% interest rate (they actually claimed they picked 22% just because it’s lower than our sales tax).

Look, steeltrucker10 and Jonathan Ward59, if your goal is just to make people look stupid, then at least be honest about why you're doing it. Maybe you work for one of the big banks and you're terrified of losing your job if everyone decides to move abroad? If people head overseas to grab loans at interest rates of maybe 2-3%, or even 4.5 to 5%—which is still a massive difference compared to the 7% we deal with here—then fine, go ahead and hide the truth. But seriously, what's the endgame here?
Jonathan Ward59 Jonathan Ward59 Member
39 messages
joined Feb 2009
#122 ·
look,
nobody’s out here trying to bore anyone else to death
it was just some chatter about who actually managed to lock down their loan and who didn't—well, I did
now you lot can sit there and speculate about how I pulled it off or what the terms looked like, because I'm done talking about it
every single loan comes with its own price tag, this one included
I'm not going to air my private business just so you all feel satisfied
the reality is simple: those loans were being handed out back then, and they're still being handed out now
just like how a certain number of Americans managed to snag foreign loans
it seems like that's none of your business—it's theirs
steeltrucker10 steeltrucker10 Member
17 messages
joined Jan 2011
#123 ·
Look, Scott Taylor8, do you honestly think I'm stupid? Why don't you man up and give me a call over at Bank of America? But listen close to what my wife has to say about this. It’s easy for you to talk trash about us from behind a screen, but maybe you wouldn't be so bold if you actually had to face us—especially since you've got such a great reputation to protect. So, quit picking on people. This forum isn't the place for this kind of nonsense, and frankly, I don't think you have anything left to contribute here. Just leave us alone.
crimsontrucker19 crimsontrucker19 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2011
#124 ·
So, you're saying there's absolutely no way to set up any kind of police insurance or formal collateral assignments?
crimsontrucker19 crimsontrucker19 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2011
#125 ·
I’m honestly begging you guys, please don't make me scroll through this entire endless thread of posts just to find what I need, so if you could be a total lifesaver and just drop the direct link to the Bank of America site you were actually talking about, I would appreciate it so much. Thanks!
steeltrucker10 steeltrucker10 Member
17 messages
joined Jan 2011
#126 ·
Look, it’s easy to act like a genius when you’re sitting there working as a middleman for Bank of America. If you think you know everything, then why even bother posting on this forum? Just go ahead and head to the kitchen to whip up some dinner for your husband or whoever else needs a meal. It's always so simple to play the armchair general once the battle is already over.
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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joined Dec 2012
#127 ·
Jerry Martinez5 said:I’m not reading all five pages: has anyone actually secured a loan from an Austrian bank, or are you all just victims of a scam?

I successfully landed a loan and I’ve already paid it back, thank God. The whole process took maybe 5 to 10 minutes before the cash was in hand, and I made quarterly payments. It moved that fast because my collateral was rock solid. I had my own Star 20 life insurance policy sitting right there with them, plus a German citizen acting as my guarantor (he's my cousin's husband) with a fresh policy.
When I went to settle the debt, they even mentioned they handle mortgage loans for coastal properties without any issues.
Just so nobody thinks I'm crazy or that I was somehow helping some German guy buy an apartment in Regensburg by acting as his guarantor—I backed him by securing a mortgage lien in the land registry.
Scott Taylor8 Scott Taylor8 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2011
#128 ·
steeltrucker10 said:Look, Scott Taylor8, do you honestly think I'm stupid? Why don't you man up and give me a call over at Bank of America? But listen close to what my wife has to say about this. It’s easy for you to talk trash about us from behind a screen, but maybe you wouldn't be so bold if you actually had to face us—especially since you've got such a great reputation to protect. So, quit picking on people. This forum isn't the place for this kind of nonsense, and frankly, I don't think you have anything left to contribute here. Just leave us alone.

I never said you were stupid, and I certainly didn't imply it. My impression was just that you were pushing wrong information for your own benefit, which is why I reacted. But that doesn't mean I'm taking your accusations personally; I wasn't being insulting, I haven't called anyone stupid, and I definitely haven't been talking trash about anyone!

Scott Taylor8 isn't my actual name, it's just my handle. Even if it were my real name, that’s my business, not yours. I don't judge people based on their names.

I'm not calling anyone out. As long as the admins allow people to express their opinions in a civil way, I don't think you have any right to tell me—or anyone else—that "I don't have anything to contribute" or that I should "leave you all alone."

And for the record, it's not that I'm too scared to call Austria; I actually have a loan with an Austrian bank that I opened three years ago.
Let the rest of you users decide who's actually being disrespectful here.

Best,
steeltrucker10 steeltrucker10 Member
17 messages
joined Jan 2011
#129 ·
I’m done arguing about this. I’m just reporting what the lady at Bank of America told me when I called her up. She speaks my language, and these are the actual terms on the table right now—not how things were three years ago. Good luck to everyone.
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 Regular
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joined Aug 2015
#130 ·
Arguments like this aren't getting us anywhere. Let’s try to stick to the topic at hand. If you feel like a post is crossing the line into being offensive, just report it so we can shut it down without the unnecessary back-and-forth. Thanks.
Raymond Bishop41 Raymond Bishop41 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jan 2011
#131 ·
Jack Wood4 said:Look, I get where you're coming from. I used to moonlight for these types of people—first working with our local banks, then moving up to some big outfit out of the USA. Here’s how the racket actually works: the middlemen have to bring their own appraisers to the table. Since you need collateral to secure a mortgage, they use these guys to artificially inflate what your property is worth. Then comes the "goodwill" part. You essentially grease the appraiser's palm, usually around 5% of whatever loan amount you're angling for. Once you've gathered all the paperwork—including your pay stubs, which, if you have any garnishments or bad credit history, obviously need to be "adjusted" illegally—you thank them for their "flexibility." After that, everything gets shipped off to the USA. A few days later, you grab your passport and head over there to collect the cash. They’ll try to convince you to just wire the money directly to your American bank account, but that’s a sucker's move because the transaction fees eat your profit alive. Honestly, once I saw the sheer scale of the deception involved, I walked away. It just wasn't right.

Were you perhaps talking about Hypo Real Estate Inc.? Does anyone here know anything about these thieves? If anyone has info, please reach out. Shady brokers, working alongside crooked American lawyers and notaries, along with what were then the top Austrian execs, ruined my family and about 20 others just like us. We had it the worst—some of us were paying our installments religiously until that "bank" collapsed and everyone ended up in jail (except for those crook middlemen). We thought everything was totally legitimate, but 👎 Basically, it's been six years of lawsuits, foreclosures, and public auctions for the full amount of the loans and leases, because they refuse to acknowledge the payments we already made. They're being represented by a big law firm in Chicago. Financially and morally, they've destroyed us. Our court system seems completely blind to this kind of fraud; legally speaking, we're powerless. The lawyers have bled us dry, and we can't even afford to keep fighting these court cases. We're going to lose everything, even though we actually paid off the loan.
Raymond Bishop41 Raymond Bishop41 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jan 2011
#132 ·
God !!!!! I’ve been reading through all these posts, and honestly, I can’t believe it. You guys are going to end up losing everything—every single piece of real estate you own.
Can someone please chime in? Is there anyone here who actually got their mortgage cleared and managed to get that lien removed from their property title? I highly doubt there are many people who have pulled that off—unless, of course, they’re just real estate agents or brokers who got paid a massive commission for screwing over us clueless amateurs.
Eric Fowler19 Eric Fowler19 Member
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joined Oct 2007
#133 ·
Raymond Bishop41 said:Were you perhaps talking about Hypo Real Estate Inc.? Does anyone here know anything about these thieves? If anyone has info, please reach out. Shady brokers, working alongside crooked American lawyers and notaries, along with what were then the top Austrian execs, ruined my family and about 20 others just like us. We had it the worst—some of us were paying our installments religiously until that "bank" collapsed and everyone ended up in jail (except for those crook middlemen). We thought everything was totally legitimate, but 👎 Basically, it's been six years of lawsuits, foreclosures, and public auctions for the full amount of the loans and leases, because they refuse to acknowledge the payments we already made. They're being represented by a big law firm in Chicago. Financially and morally, they've destroyed us. Our court system seems completely blind to this kind of fraud; legally speaking, we're powerless. The lawyers have bled us dry, and we can't even afford to keep fighting these court cases. We're going to lose everything, even though we actually paid off the loan.

Were you paying the brokers, who clearly weren't passing the money to the bank, or were you paying the bank directly?
Do you have proof of payment?
I ask because a friend of mine took out a loan from an Austrian bank, using property on the coast as collateral.
mellowrider10 mellowrider10 Member
15 messages
joined Sep 2010
#134 ·
Good grief, Jesus, and God help me, I’d honestly rather go broke and drown in debt than let someone screw me over this shamelessly. I can't believe this, Raymond Bishop41. You shouldn't be left totally stranded if you actually have the receipts showing you paid off your loans. Go to Washington or something and get some help—seriously, people need to step up and help Raymond Bishop41 find a way out of this mess. There’s gotta be lawyers or legal experts on this forum who can weigh in. It’s a total disgrace to cheat people like this. Just awful, absolutely disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
swiftcyclist58 swiftcyclist58 Member
36 messages
joined Jan 2011
#135 ·
Raymond Bishop41 said:Were you perhaps talking about Hypo Real Estate Inc.? Does anyone here know anything about these thieves? If anyone has info, please reach out. Shady brokers, working alongside crooked American lawyers and notaries, along with what were then the top Austrian execs, ruined my family and about 20 others just like us. We had it the worst—some of us were paying our installments religiously until that "bank" collapsed and everyone ended up in jail (except for those crook middlemen). We thought everything was totally legitimate, but 👎 Basically, it's been six years of lawsuits, foreclosures, and public auctions for the full amount of the loans and leases, because they refuse to acknowledge the payments we already made. They're being represented by a big law firm in Chicago. Financially and morally, they've destroyed us. Our court system seems completely blind to this kind of fraud; legally speaking, we're powerless. The lawyers have bled us dry, and we can't even afford to keep fighting these court cases. We're going to lose everything, even though we actually paid off the loan.

I have a few questions: first, why haven't you reported this to the District Attorney? Second, how on earth can they sue you for the total amount while ignoring your payments, assuming you actually kept your receipts? And third, if you were paying either in Austria or back home through a registered loan with Bank of America, there's no way this could happen unless something is seriously wrong... You mentioned those people ended up in prison, so where is the issue? Surely you have the documentation, right? I know colleagues who paid off their loans in full and had the bank release the mortgage without a single hitch, specifically when dealing with Ford Motor Company...
swiftcyclist58 swiftcyclist58 Member
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joined Jan 2011
#136 ·
swiftcyclist58 said:I have a few questions: first, why haven't you reported this to the District Attorney? Second, how on earth can they sue you for the total amount while ignoring your payments, assuming you actually kept your receipts? And third, if you were paying either in Austria or back home through a registered loan with Bank of America, there's no way this could happen unless something is seriously wrong... You mentioned those people ended up in prison, so where is the issue? Surely you have the documentation, right? I know colleagues who paid off their loans in full and had the bank release the mortgage without a single hitch, specifically when dealing with Ford Motor Company...


When you talk about top-tier Austrian officials, who exactly are you implying—some kind of Austrian Sanders?... In any case, for situations like this, the jurisdiction always falls to the court in your place of residence, and there is always an appeals process available to you, not to mention that you must have signed promissory notes and notarized the contracts at some point, so where and how did that happen? Did you sign Austrian notes or American ones? If you signed the Austrian ones, then the Austrian authorities would only withdraw a lawsuit if there was legitimate, substantiated suspicion of foul play...
swiftcyclist58 swiftcyclist58 Member
36 messages
joined Jan 2011
#137 ·
Eric Fowler19 said:Were you paying the brokers, who clearly weren't passing the money to the bank, or were you paying the bank directly?
Do you have proof of payment?
I ask because a friend of mine took out a loan from an Austrian bank, using property on the coast as collateral.

I pay my loan directly to the bank, and I just received my annual statement from them, so I don't see what the issue is. If I had to guess, I'd say the problem stems from pure ignorance... unfortunately...😕
swiftcyclist58 swiftcyclist58 Member
36 messages
joined Jan 2011
#138 ·
Raymond Bishop41 said:Were you perhaps talking about Hypo Real Estate Inc.? Does anyone here know anything about these thieves? If anyone has info, please reach out. Shady brokers, working alongside crooked American lawyers and notaries, along with what were then the top Austrian execs, ruined my family and about 20 others just like us. We had it the worst—some of us were paying our installments religiously until that "bank" collapsed and everyone ended up in jail (except for those crook middlemen). We thought everything was totally legitimate, but 👎 Basically, it's been six years of lawsuits, foreclosures, and public auctions for the full amount of the loans and leases, because they refuse to acknowledge the payments we already made. They're being represented by a big law firm in Chicago. Financially and morally, they've destroyed us. Our court system seems completely blind to this kind of fraud; legally speaking, we're powerless. The lawyers have bled us dry, and we can't even afford to keep fighting these court cases. We're going to lose everything, even though we actually paid off the loan.

Look, if you actually finished paying off the credit, then demand they issue a formal release of lien—assuming there was real estate involved—and if they refuse, I happen to have some excellent legal contacts in the States who might be able to assist you... just send me a message and I'll pass them along, as they handled all my documentation perfectly and work for certain interests out of Austria, regards.
swiftcyclist58 swiftcyclist58 Member
36 messages
joined Jan 2011
#139 ·

Scott Taylor8 said:Well, I just got off the phone with someone in Austria myself, and they told me you need a 1:16 mortgage ratio and a 22% interest rate (they actually claimed they picked 22% just because it’s lower than our sales tax).

Look, steeltrucker10 and Jonathan Ward59, if your goal is just to make people look stupid, then at least be honest about why you're doing it. Maybe you work for one of the big banks and you're terrified of losing your job if everyone decides to move abroad? If people head overseas to grab loans at interest rates of maybe 2-3%, or even 4.5 to 5%—which is still a massive difference compared to the 7% we deal with here—then fine, go ahead and hide the truth. But seriously, what's the endgame here?


Listen, Scott Taylor8, we need to talk about the situation with Bank of America. Looking at all these threads, it’s pretty obvious whether they’re willing to play ball with Americans or not. And let's get one thing straight regarding interest rates—it’s not some measly 2 or 3 percent, it’s not even 4 or 5... we are looking at anywhere from 7.5 to 9 percent depending on which branch you walk into. It feels like because we're dealing with the specific risks inherent to our local economy, they just squeeze us harder... that's the reality of it. And if you think you can just walk in and grab a loan, you clearly don't understand how things work over in Europe. If you're living in Austria and you actually hold an Austrian passport, sure, things might be different, but if you don't have that status, you aren't getting any better treatment than we are here. The only way you see those lower rates is if you're already established there with a steady job. Otherwise, it’s just the same old story... they're basically just waiting for us to push them to the limit with our minimum wage struggles and the fact that everyone seems to be carrying five different loans per capita... you can bet they won't lift a finger to finance us under normal circumstances. Even if they do decide to lend, it comes with conditions so rigorous they're practically impossible to meet... so, frankly, I don't think anyone needs to worry about bank employees losing their jobs in the States, because we certainly aren't going to be running over there to take advantage of their systems... it's all just nonsense...🙄
David Miller2 David Miller2 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jan 2011
#140 ·
Paul Jackson61 said:You make a fair point, but my main issue is that those middlemen are operating illegally. If you want a loan, you should go straight to a real institution like Bank of America and deal with their strict requirements, rather than letting these shady characters—or whatever you want to call them—drain people's pockets. That’s probably why 🙂 Jonathan Ward59 wasn't being all that chatty about how she handled her situation 😉 or maybe she ended up losing money too.

The truth is, plenty of "brokers" operate illegally, but you can always double-check. Most legitimate brokers have held some kind of IRS license for years, and starting this year, they also need specific licenses from the Department of the Treasury for credit brokering (which has been standard practice in Western Europe for ages). So, you can always ask a broker to prove they're licensed, approved for the work they're doing, what their fees are, and how they charge (obviously, only after the loan has actually cleared!). Brokers handling life insurance policies are also licensed and often authorized by most major domestic and international banks. Honestly, they're doing you a massive favor by setting up or assigning that insurance, because at the end of the day, it’s your money that you’re entitled to after paying into it over time (whether it's an annuity, dividends, or life/accident insurance to protect your family...). In other words, a real pro will always walk you through the procedure, the paperwork, the principal, the annuities, the interest rates, and everything else in plain English... but they also HAVE to be upfront about what THEY personally get paid, so everyone stays on good terms, haha.
Besides, for Americans who aren't great with finances, having this kind of help is better than blindly charging things to revolving credit cards, hitting negative balances, or falling for other banking traps. People tend to trust the banker implicitly because, hey, they aren't a "broker," they're a banker—even though they're basically dealers working for a salary plus commissions whenever they sign you up for risk coverage, savings plans, or checking accounts... people trust them just because they sit behind a desk in a big blue building, even when they might actually know less than a specialized broker. It would be great if we could discuss this based on actual facts rather than just rumors. Personally, a broker helped me settle three different loans, including one that wiped out all my "problems" with high-interest credit card debt right when I thought I was facing bankruptcy. Of course, for that level of professionalism and market knowledge, I had no problem paying for an insurance policy that gave me regular tax refunds of $667 annually. Now I know that if I ever lose my job, I can tap into that same policy (which I didn't even realize existed at the time) to survive until I find new income, just like an acquaintance of mine did.
Just trust the people who tell you exactly what you can and cannot do, what they can and cannot do, and exactly what the "price" is. And whatever you do, never give anyone money upfront! That's nonsense, and a real broker will NEVER ask you for that.

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