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Do you have to be ruthless to succeed? How do the "good guys" fare?

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Eric White10 Eric White10 Member
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#21 ·
mistybison said:I have reached a point where I am no longer overly preoccupied with others. While that might sound harsh out of context, it simply means I avoid becoming too emotionally attached, which prevents me from harboring unrealistic expectations. I remain prepared for any outcome, understanding that everyone possesses both flaws and virtues, and that people’s shifting moods are rarely a reflection of my own worth. Although my intuition regarding character remains fairly accurate, even when I am surprised by someone, it no longer affects me deeply. I refuse to lose faith in humanity or alter my fundamental nature just because I encountered an individual who didn't meet my standards.

I approach my relationships with intention, engaging only in the types of connections that feel mutually beneficial and appropriate. If I find someone’s character to be incompatible—whether they are manipulative, overly possessive, or simply unkind—I distance myself accordingly. When professional obligations require me to interact with someone I wouldn't otherwise choose, I focus on establishing and maintaining firm boundaries to ensure the dynamic stays strictly within acceptable limits. If there is no necessity for such interaction, I simply withdraw entirely.

There is simply no way to shield yourself from encountering unpleasant people in life. Trust is something earned over time rather than a gift handed out to strangers or casual acquaintances. I always choose to start from a positive standpoint—assuming people will be decent—but I maintain enough healthy skepticism to stay prepared if they aren't. I tend to balance my perspective until someone proves they've tipped the scales. In the past, I was far too accommodating; I believed I could maintain functional relationships with almost anyone, regardless of how difficult, insecure, or dishonest they might be. I used to think everyone deserved a chance at friendship, but I've since learned that was an exaggeration. 😁 Unfortunately, it became clear that certain "difficult" individuals would inevitably act in ways that would damage or even destroy our relationship. I simply no longer have the desire to waste my time or energy on those types of people, at least not more than absolutely necessary.

I find myself appreciating the kindness in people more and more every day. 🙂 I believe truly healthy relationships can only flourish with people who possess genuine integrity, alongside strong self-esteem and self-respect. While you can certainly find interest in other types of connections, they always feel incomplete—marked by an underlying tension and distance because you can never truly let your guard down. When you constantly have to navigate someone else's insecurities, walk on eggshells to avoid bruising their ego, or manage their unpredictable moods and outbursts, it becomes exhausting. Constantly validating someone's delusions or building defensive walls just to avoid being exploited eventually drains your spirit, leaving you with no desire to maintain those ties.

I believe people frequently mistake genuine kindness and integrity for a simple lack of self-respect—what some might call a "doormat personality." 😁 There are individuals who act as if they exist solely to serve others, only to be shocked when they end up being exploited, or they offer endless unsolicited favors and then feel resentful when nothing is returned in kind. Anyone who consistently exits every relationship feeling used, betrayed, or disappointed—repeatedly gravitating toward narcissists, egoists, or toxic personalities—really ought to take a moment to reflect on why that pattern keeps repeating.

👍That's such a great point.
Patrick Johnson8 Patrick Johnson8 Member
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#22 ·
Enchantress, you’ve got a photo of yourself on this forum... I’m really curious to see those facial features of yours 🙂
hollowgardener83 hollowgardener83 Newcomer
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#23 ·
Sarah Garcia12 said:That "well-meaning" thing... it's the worst. Honestly, what gets to me most is when I meet someone, or at least I *think* I've really gotten to know them, and we become pretty close after a few years pass... maybe two or three. Of course, things happen during that time, you know? Little disagreements, feeling a bit let down or just sad about something, but you usually just brush it off because everyone has their moods and quirks... you shouldn't sweat the small stuff. But I didn't always brush off those quirks. I’d just think, "Oh well, I'm not perfect either," but lately, I've just been feeling more hurt and disappointed... turns out, that person wasn't even who they claimed to be. I could have seen it through all those little red flags, but I was just blind because I'm always looking for the good in people. You wouldn't believe the shock... and now I'm just sitting here blaming myself for not looking at things from a different angle. I really hope I don't make the same mistake again...

Still, I don't think you ever need to be a total jerk. Even if I wanted to be one, I honestly wouldn't even know how...

Ugh, man!!! Who let you down like that? I've been through the exact same thing.😢
Kevin Brooks10 Kevin Brooks10 Newcomer
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#24 ·
Someone mentioned that self-confidence is the key factor here.
If you can look in the mirror knowing you’ve done things the right way—without a trail of past mistakes hanging over your head like a shadow—you’re halfway there. But first, you need the foundation. In today's world, without a solid education, navigating through all the nonsense becomes an uphill battle.
Once you have that education under your belt, you know what you want, and you possess enough grit to pick yourself up after being knocked down two or three times, I believe you'll earn the respect of those around you.
At the end of the day, if you don't respect yourself, you can't expect anyone else to.
One needs to be disciplined, yet fair.
It isn't easy, but it works.
Surround yourself with people, but don't get too attached. People tend to let you down; that's just the nature of life.
Good luck.
Dennis Lewis6 Dennis Lewis6 Member
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#25 ·
Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

You just have to accept them for what they are.☕
William Chavez9 William Chavez9 Newcomer
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#26 ·
Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

Truth. Absolute truth.
William Chavez9 William Chavez9 Newcomer
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#27 ·
Charles Martinez17 said:it’s gotta be top-tier quality

lollllllll
Charles Martinez17 Charles Martinez17 Newcomer
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#28 ·
I mean, yeah. Fair enough, you jerk.

Look, you can't lean on people too much. If you just handle all your own business without dragging anyone else into it, nobody’s gonna be calling you an idiot or picking fights with you. You stay independent, you keep your freedom, and you have plenty of room to maneuver (which is basically code for being a total jerk).
William Chavez9 William Chavez9 Newcomer
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#29 ·
Look, everything is fine
but it just looks ridiculous
Obviously, you can't be a pushover—people will walk all over you until you finally stand your ground
It's just that when you try to set those boundaries, things don't always go smoothly. Especially when you decide to shake things up in your life; suddenly everyone notices this "new" version of you and starts giving you those judgmental looks. You actually have to train the people around you to realize that you aren't tolerating certain things anymore and that from here on out, the rules have changed
slypuma17 slypuma17 Active Member
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#30 ·
Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

But what does that actually mean? Who is a "jerk," exactly? Everyone seems to have their own personal dictionary for it.

Most people would agree that a jerk is someone who betrays trust—someone who stabs you in the back. But to betray trust, one first has to be granted it, and if you ask me, people often hand it out far too easily.
So, in that light, a person wouldn't even have the chance to be a jerk if the people they eventually betrayed hadn't opened the door for them in the first place.

Then there’s the other crowd. They define a "jerk" as anyone who refuses to play along with their little games. It isn't about betrayal or broken promises; it’s just about being an obstacle. 😁

When most people say, "I messed up because I didn't want to be a jerk," they are usually referring to this second type. To avoid being labeled as a bad person, they let themselves get walked all over—even when they saw the whole thing coming, even when they knew exactly how it was going to end.
Well, fine. Sure, nobody thinks you're a jerk now (they think you're a pushover), but why are you so miserable?
🤷 😁

The biggest strategic blunder you can make is showing consideration to the inconsiderate, or showing mercy to the merciless. It's showing deference to people who expect you to hand over your trust, fully knowing they intend to exploit it. And if you refuse? They label you the villain. It goes like this:
-"Can you lend me two grand until Tuesday? I'll pay you back then."
-"Sure. Just like last time, right? When you spent it all on weekend trips instead of paying me back." 🙄
-"Wow... how can you be so spiteful? You have the money, yet you won't help. I really need it. What a jerk!"
😂

Now, if someone finds it more important to avoid being called a jerk than to maintain their own peace of mind, by all means, go ahead and give them your trust.

I give them a chance until they try to screw me over. Then I'm left feeling disappointed, angry, sad, and wondering how this could possibly be happening to me.

It's almost as if you're shouting, "Hit me, hit me!" and then acting shocked when you actually get punched.
You get exactly what you asked for, yet you're unhappy. What is it that you actually want? 😕
I truly feel for you. 🤣

I'm curious how you all have structured your lives to find fulfillment, and how you manage to steer clear of materialists, egoists, selfish types, and people with warped values who happen to hold power?

I'm still learning. 🙂
dustyskipper3 dustyskipper3 Active Member
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#31 ·
I find myself somewhat preoccupied by this whole typology of scum. I suppose one has to wonder... is it better to be a total scoundrel through and through, or just act like a decent person simply to avoid being targeted by even worse people? Looking at things from a distance, it seems to me that most of us fall into that second category. If we don't, then why on earth do we tolerate our own government? It feels like this second type is just your run-of-the-mill, everyday loser—a true *Americanus domesticus cretenensis*, if you will. 😂
The person who avoids being a jerk doesn't actually do it out of any real compassion for those they might otherwise mistreat. No, I think it's more because they fear being the one closest to the situation who ends up getting sacrificed—sort of like how they used to sacrifice a scapegoat, or Peter, to appease a conscience. They do it just to maintain a sense of public peace after all the wealth has been redistributed from the common folk to the real elite. ☕
Kate Johnson13 Kate Johnson13 Newcomer
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#32 ·
I suppose there is a certain necessity in treating people like garbage when they prove themselves to be just that, though I don't believe in jumping to conclusions immediately; after all, we rarely know the full story behind why someone has become such a piece of work 😁 whether they were born with that particular lack of character or if life simply hammered it into them over time

My personal methodology for dealing with these types of individuals is somewhat structured. Initially, I extend an olive branch to everyone, offering them a fair chance and maintaining a level of kindness toward them—perhaps even being more lenient than the situation strictly warrants the real trick, however, is to expect absolutely nothing from them . If, after a reasonable duration—say, through several repeated interactions or specific incidents—it becomes undeniably clear that the individual is indeed trash, I attempt to "fix" them. This might involve a polite conversation or, occasionally, a much harsher confrontation delivered in their own style 😁. If it becomes evident that they are beyond repair and will remain consistently toxic, then I simply adopt their level of behavior, maintain a cold distance, and shut them out completely. I find this approach far superior to preemptively closing oneself off, because at least then you can rest easy knowing you actually made an effort. Who knows, perhaps one day they might experience a moment of clarity and you’ll cross paths again with a fundamentally different person 😉

Furthermore, one shouldn't carry any guilt regarding these bottom-feeders; they generally couldn't care less about us anyway. The most aggravating scenario, in my estimation, involves spending significant time building a connection only to realize later that the person was garbage all along. In those moments, I often find myself wondering what kind of fool I was to squander my time on such people. It’s a lesson in vigilance, particularly for those of us who possess more sensitive temperaments. Still, every interaction, whether it turns out to be a disaster or a success, serves to refine how we navigate our social circles in the future—provided, of course, that we take the time to reflect on what actually transpired. So, for those of you who are sensitive to toxic people, stay resilient and don't let it get to you 😉 the broken aren't always the ones who suffer most; it all comes down to how you position yourself and refuse to let the garbage dictate your terms
ironrider11 ironrider11 Regular
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#33 ·
Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

So you think... "I'm giving myself a shot." A shot at actually feeling like you're in an environment where not everyone is total garbage (even if we all know they are). It would be brutal—like dealing with dysthymia or depression—to live in a world that's nothing but absolute filth...

Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

You mean you've convinced yourself yet again how powerful your own self-suggestion really is?

Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

Maybe you don't. Maybe you just hit that breaking point where sharing little bits of yourself (the fuel for self-suggestion, the antidote to depression...) becomes way more valuable than some fragile material existence. It's existentialism, whatever you want to call it...

Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

Once enough illusions have shattered, after that kind of self-suggestion kicks in... once you realize that just to exist, you're basically operating within that same sphere of trash and garbage... then that's what you are. More or less... little or much... you're just part of it. You lose that need to belong to that "elite group" of rare, quality people... it just vanishes...
Frank Flores63 Frank Flores63 Member
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#34 ·
I tend to clash with people who are just plain rigid—the kind of folks who stomp around blindly, convinced they’re right without actually bothering to get informed. They’re incredibly subjective, and honestly, they could really benefit from looking at things from a few different angles before opening their mouths. I suppose I’ve been lucky enough that I haven't dealt with actual bottom-feeders yet—you know, the types who lie, cheat, or look for any way to screw you over.
What really gets under my skin, though, are those subtle nuances that I just can't seem to stomach. I can't stand it when some wannabe friend digs their heels in just for the sake of being stubborn, putting up this massive, cemented wall. Usually, when someone acts like they're untouchable, there’s something underneath—some sort of insecurity they’re desperately trying to mask.
I find myself drawn to people with a flexible, open spirit. I appreciate those who are subtle, kind, and noble—people who aren't quick to judge, who lack prejudice, and don't harbor petty grudges or feel the need to pick fights on a dozen tiny, meaningless fronts.
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#35 ·
Just two rules to live by:

1. Everyone gets exactly what they earn... nothing more, nothing less.
2. If someone tries to pull a fast one on you, you hit them back three times harder—just a little bit of karma, I guess...
Frank Flores63 Frank Flores63 Member
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#36 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Just two rules to live by:

1. Everyone gets exactly what they earn... nothing more, nothing less.
2. If someone tries to pull a fast one on you, you hit them back three times harder—just a little bit of karma, I guess...

I suppose it might be more productive to channel all that energy into something worthwhile rather than wasting it on dealing with obnoxious people. 😉
Richard Wells Richard Wells Active Member
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#37 ·
Being a good person doesn't mean you have to be a pushover.

To me, being decent means having a clean conscience, good intentions, and staying true to your values without stepping on anyone else to get ahead.

But look, the second someone tries to walk all over you or starts coming at you, you can't just sit there and take it. You've gotta stand your ground and set the record straight.

There's an old saying that pretty much sums it up: Kindness is useless if it doesn't have teeth.
Joseph Fowler33 Joseph Fowler33 Member
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#38 ·
Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

How is it even possible for someone to be truly "pure"? Honestly, I haven't met a single person like that in my entire life.

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Andrew Doyle Andrew Doyle Regular
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#39 ·
Joseph Fowler33 said:How is it even possible for someone to be truly "pure"? Honestly, I haven't met a single person like that in my entire life.

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Well, that’s a real shame for you.
I have encountered plenty of truly pure-hearted people, and they are the kind of individuals who approach life with an open heart and a genuine smile—total optimists. Honestly, I find myself thinking about those types of people whenever things get rough for me; I wonder how they would handle the chaos. Even when they hit their own rough patches, they navigate through them with such grace and a positive outlook, without making a massive drama out of everything. To me, those people are absolute idols; they are true role models.😍
Richard Wells Richard Wells Active Member
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#40 ·
Joseph Fowler33 said:How is it even possible for someone to be truly "pure"? Honestly, I haven't met a single person like that in my entire life.

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Man, what kind of crowd are you hanging out with then?

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