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Jeremy Davis7 Jeremy Davis7 Active MemberOP
55 messages
joined Oct 2007
#1 ·
I see meditation is a pretty hot topic on this forum lately, so figured I’d throw my two cents into the ring.

I started messing with this stuff as a kid, totally by accident. And I’m telling you, anyone who gives it a shot is going to hit experiences that blow past the mind and all that conditioning that keeps our consciousness boxed in from reality.

You won't find this in any book.

It’s not in some ancient scroll, and it isn't part of any "school" or organized spiritual movement out there.

This is a pure, homegrown American product!
Just a random discovery by a dumb kid from a suburban neighborhood—and honestly, it’s the most effective meditative technique I know. No fake modesty here: compared to anything I’ve ever practiced or anything taught by gurus throughout history, regardless of where or when they lived...

It just blows everything else out of the water with how simple it is. It makes everything else look like background noise.

Sounds unbelievable, but it’s the truth.

I’m putting this out there for the first time, so if you’re interested, be my guest.

Do me a favor and try to kill that reflex to be skeptical right away. Just for a second, set aside all the nonsense you've been conditioned to believe—all the ideologies, the tantras, the mantras, the gurus, the spiritual ego, the thousand-year traditions, the mystical gimmicks... just try to feel the simplicity of what I’m saying with an open heart. Just for a moment. Without judging.

Meditation on the Infinity of Space;

Try to actually "grasp" what "space" is.
Take a second to really think about what space even is.
No matter how hard you try to imagine where it ends, you just can't do it.
It’s always baffled me how our minds just spontaneously "close their eyes" to this simple fact—this incomprehensible reality that the brain is physically incapable of processing or limiting through mere chemistry.

It’s so gripping and fascinating that the mere attempt to "understand" spatial infinity pushes the mind right to its breaking point.

You don't even have to close your eyes.

Just put in the effort and truly contemplate it.

You’ll get the strongest effect on clear, bright nights when you can see the Milky Way stretching across the stars.
Trying to feel the vastness of the universe standing right in front of you is something that will absolutely leave you breathless.
Find somewhere quiet, far away from the city noise, sit down, and as you watch the outlines of the galaxies, just let the infinity of the space you're staring into swallow you whole.

The mind, quite simply, cannot wrap itself around what I’m talking about, and eventually, it’s going to snap.
Your consciousness will spontaneously leap past the boundary of the mind to merge with the infinity you’re provoking by pushing your perception to its limit.

At first, you might just get a hint that something is stirring beneath the surface...
But after a while, you’ll get these sudden "flashes," unexpected moments of realization—an indescribable state of perception that I can only describe as a magnificent, breathtaking experience.

The "eyes" of your inner being will snap open without warning, and you will undergo a cognitive explosion into something incomprehensible and grand—something that literally knocks the wind out of your lungs because the mind just can't handle it.

The sheer, brutal power and magnitude of the experience will knock you off your feet. All you'll remember is this frustratingly beautiful feeling that something slipped away.
It was right there, within reach, literally a millimeter from your nose, and in a heartbeat, it vanished.
It’s like you saw "everything" for a split second, but you didn't have the capacity to process what you saw, so you reflexively retreated back into the safety of your thoughts.

Literally.

It's worth a shot.

If it was possible for a little punk kid like me, it’s definitely possible for anyone else who tries.

PS.
And honestly? It’s all for nothing. Nobody even has to cough up a dime.

🙂
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#2 ·
let's not get carried away😁
amberbadger8 amberbadger8 Member
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joined Sep 2008
#3 ·
Jeremy Davis7, you need to write more about that... specifically regarding those psycho-physical "experiences" you had while practicing this technique..
Walter Carter2 Walter Carter2 Member
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joined Sep 2008
#4 ·
Jeremy Davis7, experience is honestly such a blessing. Not everyone is even wired to actually live through something like that. My own journey hit similar notes as yours—the only real difference is how I got there. I relied on breathing techniques! It was the breath that eventually led me straight to those experiences. When you start talking about the infinite, man, I totally get you, but most people just don't grasp it. They aren't even remotely aware of how vast infinity really is. I guess you’re just born with that awareness, right? Or maybe everyone eventually reaches that point. I truly believe every single person carries a black hole inside their mind, much like the one sitting at the center of the Milky Way; it starts by sucking in all your thoughts, and then, suddenly, it expands into this pure peace, light, and a whole new dimension of existence. Honestly, how much an individual realizes their own potential says everything about their level of maturity and whether they can actually achieve any real spiritual growth.
Ashley Ramirez41 Ashley Ramirez41 Member
19 messages
joined Dec 2003
#5 ·
Jeremy Davis7 said:I see meditation is a pretty hot topic on this forum lately, so figured I’d throw my two cents into the ring.

I started messing with this stuff as a kid, totally by accident. And I’m telling you, anyone who gives it a shot is going to hit experiences that blow past the mind and all that conditioning that keeps our consciousness boxed in from reality.

You won't find this in any book.

It’s not in some ancient scroll, and it isn't part of any "school" or organized spiritual movement out there.

This is a pure, homegrown American product!
Just a random discovery by a dumb kid from a suburban neighborhood—and honestly, it’s the most effective meditative technique I know. No fake modesty here: compared to anything I’ve ever practiced or anything taught by gurus throughout history, regardless of where or when they lived...

It just blows everything else out of the water with how simple it is. It makes everything else look like background noise.

Sounds unbelievable, but it’s the truth.

I’m putting this out there for the first time, so if you’re interested, be my guest.

Do me a favor and try to kill that reflex to be skeptical right away. Just for a second, set aside all the nonsense you've been conditioned to believe—all the ideologies, the tantras, the mantras, the gurus, the spiritual ego, the thousand-year traditions, the mystical gimmicks... just try to feel the simplicity of what I’m saying with an open heart. Just for a moment. Without judging.

Meditation on the Infinity of Space;

Try to actually "grasp" what "space" is.
Take a second to really think about what space even is.
No matter how hard you try to imagine where it ends, you just can't do it.
It’s always baffled me how our minds just spontaneously "close their eyes" to this simple fact—this incomprehensible reality that the brain is physically incapable of processing or limiting through mere chemistry.

It’s so gripping and fascinating that the mere attempt to "understand" spatial infinity pushes the mind right to its breaking point.

You don't even have to close your eyes.

Just put in the effort and truly contemplate it.

You’ll get the strongest effect on clear, bright nights when you can see the Milky Way stretching across the stars.
Trying to feel the vastness of the universe standing right in front of you is something that will absolutely leave you breathless.
Find somewhere quiet, far away from the city noise, sit down, and as you watch the outlines of the galaxies, just let the infinity of the space you're staring into swallow you whole.

The mind, quite simply, cannot wrap itself around what I’m talking about, and eventually, it’s going to snap.
Your consciousness will spontaneously leap past the boundary of the mind to merge with the infinity you’re provoking by pushing your perception to its limit.

At first, you might just get a hint that something is stirring beneath the surface...
But after a while, you’ll get these sudden "flashes," unexpected moments of realization—an indescribable state of perception that I can only describe as a magnificent, breathtaking experience.

The "eyes" of your inner being will snap open without warning, and you will undergo a cognitive explosion into something incomprehensible and grand—something that literally knocks the wind out of your lungs because the mind just can't handle it.

The sheer, brutal power and magnitude of the experience will knock you off your feet. All you'll remember is this frustratingly beautiful feeling that something slipped away.
It was right there, within reach, literally a millimeter from your nose, and in a heartbeat, it vanished.
It’s like you saw "everything" for a split second, but you didn't have the capacity to process what you saw, so you reflexively retreated back into the safety of your thoughts.

Literally.

It's worth a shot.

If it was possible for a little punk kid like me, it’s definitely possible for anyone else who tries.

PS.
And honestly? It’s all for nothing. Nobody even has to cough up a dime.

🙂

👍😁 🙂

Jeremy Davis7 said:I see meditation is a pretty hot topic on this forum lately, so figured I’d throw my two cents into the ring.

I started messing with this stuff as a kid, totally by accident. And I’m telling you, anyone who gives it a shot is going to hit experiences that blow past the mind and all that conditioning that keeps our consciousness boxed in from reality.

You won't find this in any book.

It’s not in some ancient scroll, and it isn't part of any "school" or organized spiritual movement out there.

This is a pure, homegrown American product!
Just a random discovery by a dumb kid from a suburban neighborhood—and honestly, it’s the most effective meditative technique I know. No fake modesty here: compared to anything I’ve ever practiced or anything taught by gurus throughout history, regardless of where or when they lived...

It just blows everything else out of the water with how simple it is. It makes everything else look like background noise.

Sounds unbelievable, but it’s the truth.

I’m putting this out there for the first time, so if you’re interested, be my guest.

Do me a favor and try to kill that reflex to be skeptical right away. Just for a second, set aside all the nonsense you've been conditioned to believe—all the ideologies, the tantras, the mantras, the gurus, the spiritual ego, the thousand-year traditions, the mystical gimmicks... just try to feel the simplicity of what I’m saying with an open heart. Just for a moment. Without judging.

Meditation on the Infinity of Space;

Try to actually "grasp" what "space" is.
Take a second to really think about what space even is.
No matter how hard you try to imagine where it ends, you just can't do it.
It’s always baffled me how our minds just spontaneously "close their eyes" to this simple fact—this incomprehensible reality that the brain is physically incapable of processing or limiting through mere chemistry.

It’s so gripping and fascinating that the mere attempt to "understand" spatial infinity pushes the mind right to its breaking point.

You don't even have to close your eyes.

Just put in the effort and truly contemplate it.

You’ll get the strongest effect on clear, bright nights when you can see the Milky Way stretching across the stars.
Trying to feel the vastness of the universe standing right in front of you is something that will absolutely leave you breathless.
Find somewhere quiet, far away from the city noise, sit down, and as you watch the outlines of the galaxies, just let the infinity of the space you're staring into swallow you whole.

The mind, quite simply, cannot wrap itself around what I’m talking about, and eventually, it’s going to snap.
Your consciousness will spontaneously leap past the boundary of the mind to merge with the infinity you’re provoking by pushing your perception to its limit.

At first, you might just get a hint that something is stirring beneath the surface...
But after a while, you’ll get these sudden "flashes," unexpected moments of realization—an indescribable state of perception that I can only describe as a magnificent, breathtaking experience.

The "eyes" of your inner being will snap open without warning, and you will undergo a cognitive explosion into something incomprehensible and grand—something that literally knocks the wind out of your lungs because the mind just can't handle it.

The sheer, brutal power and magnitude of the experience will knock you off your feet. All you'll remember is this frustratingly beautiful feeling that something slipped away.
It was right there, within reach, literally a millimeter from your nose, and in a heartbeat, it vanished.
It’s like you saw "everything" for a split second, but you didn't have the capacity to process what you saw, so you reflexively retreated back into the safety of your thoughts.

Literally.

It's worth a shot.

If it was possible for a little punk kid like me, it’s definitely possible for anyone else who tries.

PS.
And honestly? It’s all for nothing. Nobody even has to cough up a dime.

🙂


Jeremy Davis7 said:I see meditation is a pretty hot topic on this forum lately, so figured I’d throw my two cents into the ring.

I started messing with this stuff as a kid, totally by accident. And I’m telling you, anyone who gives it a shot is going to hit experiences that blow past the mind and all that conditioning that keeps our consciousness boxed in from reality.

You won't find this in any book.

It’s not in some ancient scroll, and it isn't part of any "school" or organized spiritual movement out there.

This is a pure, homegrown American product!
Just a random discovery by a dumb kid from a suburban neighborhood—and honestly, it’s the most effective meditative technique I know. No fake modesty here: compared to anything I’ve ever practiced or anything taught by gurus throughout history, regardless of where or when they lived...

It just blows everything else out of the water with how simple it is. It makes everything else look like background noise.

Sounds unbelievable, but it’s the truth.

I’m putting this out there for the first time, so if you’re interested, be my guest.

Do me a favor and try to kill that reflex to be skeptical right away. Just for a second, set aside all the nonsense you've been conditioned to believe—all the ideologies, the tantras, the mantras, the gurus, the spiritual ego, the thousand-year traditions, the mystical gimmicks... just try to feel the simplicity of what I’m saying with an open heart. Just for a moment. Without judging.

Meditation on the Infinity of Space;

Try to actually "grasp" what "space" is.
Take a second to really think about what space even is.
No matter how hard you try to imagine where it ends, you just can't do it.
It’s always baffled me how our minds just spontaneously "close their eyes" to this simple fact—this incomprehensible reality that the brain is physically incapable of processing or limiting through mere chemistry.

It’s so gripping and fascinating that the mere attempt to "understand" spatial infinity pushes the mind right to its breaking point.

You don't even have to close your eyes.

Just put in the effort and truly contemplate it.

You’ll get the strongest effect on clear, bright nights when you can see the Milky Way stretching across the stars.
Trying to feel the vastness of the universe standing right in front of you is something that will absolutely leave you breathless.
Find somewhere quiet, far away from the city noise, sit down, and as you watch the outlines of the galaxies, just let the infinity of the space you're staring into swallow you whole.

The mind, quite simply, cannot wrap itself around what I’m talking about, and eventually, it’s going to snap.
Your consciousness will spontaneously leap past the boundary of the mind to merge with the infinity you’re provoking by pushing your perception to its limit.

At first, you might just get a hint that something is stirring beneath the surface...
But after a while, you’ll get these sudden "flashes," unexpected moments of realization—an indescribable state of perception that I can only describe as a magnificent, breathtaking experience.

The "eyes" of your inner being will snap open without warning, and you will undergo a cognitive explosion into something incomprehensible and grand—something that literally knocks the wind out of your lungs because the mind just can't handle it.

The sheer, brutal power and magnitude of the experience will knock you off your feet. All you'll remember is this frustratingly beautiful feeling that something slipped away.
It was right there, within reach, literally a millimeter from your nose, and in a heartbeat, it vanished.
It’s like you saw "everything" for a split second, but you didn't have the capacity to process what you saw, so you reflexively retreated back into the safety of your thoughts.

Literally.

It's worth a shot.

If it was possible for a little punk kid like me, it’s definitely possible for anyone else who tries.

PS.
And honestly? It’s all for nothing. Nobody even has to cough up a dime.

🙂

I don't get why there's such a massive marketing push for the EPP... like, seriously? Just because you feel that way doesn't mean I have to see things through your lens—it's just not my reality...
Look, everyone’s gonna see things through their own lens—there's no way you can guarantee anyone else is gonna view stuff the exact same way you do... just life, I guess.

Honestly, it totally reminds me of that old joke about Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson...
Wake him up in the middle of the night, Sherlock—just shake him awake—and ask him, "When you look up at this massive star-filled sky..."
So many stars... and those massive, endless stretches of nothingness... what's the first thing that pops into your head when you look up?
So, here's this poor guy, Watson, out here quoting I. Kanta—yeah, you heard me—rambling on about the infinite expanse of the universe and all that cosmic nonsense... honestly, it’s just too much.
"Elementary," says Sherlock, "they've gone and swiped our tent, Watson!"


Jeremy Davis7 said:I see meditation is a pretty hot topic on this forum lately, so figured I’d throw my two cents into the ring.

I started messing with this stuff as a kid, totally by accident. And I’m telling you, anyone who gives it a shot is going to hit experiences that blow past the mind and all that conditioning that keeps our consciousness boxed in from reality.

You won't find this in any book.

It’s not in some ancient scroll, and it isn't part of any "school" or organized spiritual movement out there.

This is a pure, homegrown American product!
Just a random discovery by a dumb kid from a suburban neighborhood—and honestly, it’s the most effective meditative technique I know. No fake modesty here: compared to anything I’ve ever practiced or anything taught by gurus throughout history, regardless of where or when they lived...

It just blows everything else out of the water with how simple it is. It makes everything else look like background noise.

Sounds unbelievable, but it’s the truth.

I’m putting this out there for the first time, so if you’re interested, be my guest.

Do me a favor and try to kill that reflex to be skeptical right away. Just for a second, set aside all the nonsense you've been conditioned to believe—all the ideologies, the tantras, the mantras, the gurus, the spiritual ego, the thousand-year traditions, the mystical gimmicks... just try to feel the simplicity of what I’m saying with an open heart. Just for a moment. Without judging.

Meditation on the Infinity of Space;

Try to actually "grasp" what "space" is.
Take a second to really think about what space even is.
No matter how hard you try to imagine where it ends, you just can't do it.
It’s always baffled me how our minds just spontaneously "close their eyes" to this simple fact—this incomprehensible reality that the brain is physically incapable of processing or limiting through mere chemistry.

It’s so gripping and fascinating that the mere attempt to "understand" spatial infinity pushes the mind right to its breaking point.

You don't even have to close your eyes.

Just put in the effort and truly contemplate it.

You’ll get the strongest effect on clear, bright nights when you can see the Milky Way stretching across the stars.
Trying to feel the vastness of the universe standing right in front of you is something that will absolutely leave you breathless.
Find somewhere quiet, far away from the city noise, sit down, and as you watch the outlines of the galaxies, just let the infinity of the space you're staring into swallow you whole.

The mind, quite simply, cannot wrap itself around what I’m talking about, and eventually, it’s going to snap.
Your consciousness will spontaneously leap past the boundary of the mind to merge with the infinity you’re provoking by pushing your perception to its limit.

At first, you might just get a hint that something is stirring beneath the surface...
But after a while, you’ll get these sudden "flashes," unexpected moments of realization—an indescribable state of perception that I can only describe as a magnificent, breathtaking experience.

The "eyes" of your inner being will snap open without warning, and you will undergo a cognitive explosion into something incomprehensible and grand—something that literally knocks the wind out of your lungs because the mind just can't handle it.

The sheer, brutal power and magnitude of the experience will knock you off your feet. All you'll remember is this frustratingly beautiful feeling that something slipped away.
It was right there, within reach, literally a millimeter from your nose, and in a heartbeat, it vanished.
It’s like you saw "everything" for a split second, but you didn't have the capacity to process what you saw, so you reflexively retreated back into the safety of your thoughts.

Literally.

It's worth a shot.

If it was possible for a little punk kid like me, it’s definitely possible for anyone else who tries.

PS.
And honestly? It’s all for nothing. Nobody even has to cough up a dime.

🙂

👍
feralhound55 feralhound55 Active Member
63 messages
joined Aug 2008
#6 ·
See? Those two are stuck in an endless debate over nothing on the other thread—meanwhile, there are plenty of simple ways to reach those amazing states of mind... 👍 As for the technique, I’ll wait for some warmer weather before I give it a shot, but I can already picture how powerful it'll be. By the way, just like Walter Carter2, I practice breath meditation too, and honestly, it’s great.

At the end of the day, everyone has their own path and their own journey; people experience things at their own pace and when they're ready. That's just how it works.
goldeneagle2 goldeneagle2 Active Member
58 messages
joined Aug 2005
#7 ·
Nice one, Jeremy Davis7—really solid stuff. Honestly, you’ve just got to make it a daily habit, like some kind of regular spiritual routine, rather than just testing the waters once or twice. It reminds me of something out of those ancient Buddhist texts—you know, those deep meditations on the infinite expanse of space (not to mention all the other ones involving the Earth's presence or basic elemental colors and whatnot). Seriously, kudos to you; that guy from the suburban neighborhood must have been some kind of master meditator in a past life to stumble onto observing infinite space just like that.
Roger Smith5 Roger Smith5 Member
13 messages
joined Nov 2008
#8 ·
Jeremy Davis7 said:I see meditation is a pretty hot topic on this forum lately, so figured I’d throw my two cents into the ring.

I started messing with this stuff as a kid, totally by accident. And I’m telling you, anyone who gives it a shot is going to hit experiences that blow past the mind and all that conditioning that keeps our consciousness boxed in from reality.

You won't find this in any book.

It’s not in some ancient scroll, and it isn't part of any "school" or organized spiritual movement out there.

This is a pure, homegrown American product!
Just a random discovery by a dumb kid from a suburban neighborhood—and honestly, it’s the most effective meditative technique I know. No fake modesty here: compared to anything I’ve ever practiced or anything taught by gurus throughout history, regardless of where or when they lived...

It just blows everything else out of the water with how simple it is. It makes everything else look like background noise.

Sounds unbelievable, but it’s the truth.

I’m putting this out there for the first time, so if you’re interested, be my guest.

Do me a favor and try to kill that reflex to be skeptical right away. Just for a second, set aside all the nonsense you've been conditioned to believe—all the ideologies, the tantras, the mantras, the gurus, the spiritual ego, the thousand-year traditions, the mystical gimmicks... just try to feel the simplicity of what I’m saying with an open heart. Just for a moment. Without judging.

Meditation on the Infinity of Space;

Try to actually "grasp" what "space" is.
Take a second to really think about what space even is.
No matter how hard you try to imagine where it ends, you just can't do it.
It’s always baffled me how our minds just spontaneously "close their eyes" to this simple fact—this incomprehensible reality that the brain is physically incapable of processing or limiting through mere chemistry.

It’s so gripping and fascinating that the mere attempt to "understand" spatial infinity pushes the mind right to its breaking point.

You don't even have to close your eyes.

Just put in the effort and truly contemplate it.

You’ll get the strongest effect on clear, bright nights when you can see the Milky Way stretching across the stars.
Trying to feel the vastness of the universe standing right in front of you is something that will absolutely leave you breathless.
Find somewhere quiet, far away from the city noise, sit down, and as you watch the outlines of the galaxies, just let the infinity of the space you're staring into swallow you whole.

The mind, quite simply, cannot wrap itself around what I’m talking about, and eventually, it’s going to snap.
Your consciousness will spontaneously leap past the boundary of the mind to merge with the infinity you’re provoking by pushing your perception to its limit.

At first, you might just get a hint that something is stirring beneath the surface...
But after a while, you’ll get these sudden "flashes," unexpected moments of realization—an indescribable state of perception that I can only describe as a magnificent, breathtaking experience.

The "eyes" of your inner being will snap open without warning, and you will undergo a cognitive explosion into something incomprehensible and grand—something that literally knocks the wind out of your lungs because the mind just can't handle it.

The sheer, brutal power and magnitude of the experience will knock you off your feet. All you'll remember is this frustratingly beautiful feeling that something slipped away.
It was right there, within reach, literally a millimeter from your nose, and in a heartbeat, it vanished.
It’s like you saw "everything" for a split second, but you didn't have the capacity to process what you saw, so you reflexively retreated back into the safety of your thoughts.

Literally.

It's worth a shot.

If it was possible for a little punk kid like me, it’s definitely possible for anyone else who tries.

PS.
And honestly? It’s all for nothing. Nobody even has to cough up a dime.

🙂

But how can I possibly achieve that when the request itself is a contradiction?🙂....

Is it not perfectly natural that the intellect cannot grasp infinity? And yet, might we not reach it through spirit and consciousness? For does Love not tell us that it is through consciousness alone?😍
Jeremy Palmer Jeremy Palmer Member
40 messages
joined Jan 2008
#9 ·
Jeremy Davis7 👍👍👍

I remember having those same thoughts when I was a kid—just staring up and wondering where the edge of that endless black void actually was. But whenever I tried to just sit there and meditate (or even just contemplate life), it would get overwhelming. There was this sensation of being completely overtaken by something much larger than myself; it felt like I was expanding and shrinking all at once, making my little mind feel like it was just collapsing. All I really recall is that sense of fear and this intense "warmth" that made it feel like I was simply fading away.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
715 messages
joined Feb 2014
#10 ·
Jeremy Davis7 said:I see meditation is a pretty hot topic on this forum lately, so figured I’d throw my two cents into the ring.

I started messing with this stuff as a kid, totally by accident. And I’m telling you, anyone who gives it a shot is going to hit experiences that blow past the mind and all that conditioning that keeps our consciousness boxed in from reality.

You won't find this in any book.

It’s not in some ancient scroll, and it isn't part of any "school" or organized spiritual movement out there.

This is a pure, homegrown American product!
Just a random discovery by a dumb kid from a suburban neighborhood—and honestly, it’s the most effective meditative technique I know. No fake modesty here: compared to anything I’ve ever practiced or anything taught by gurus throughout history, regardless of where or when they lived...

It just blows everything else out of the water with how simple it is. It makes everything else look like background noise.

Sounds unbelievable, but it’s the truth.

I’m putting this out there for the first time, so if you’re interested, be my guest.

Do me a favor and try to kill that reflex to be skeptical right away. Just for a second, set aside all the nonsense you've been conditioned to believe—all the ideologies, the tantras, the mantras, the gurus, the spiritual ego, the thousand-year traditions, the mystical gimmicks... just try to feel the simplicity of what I’m saying with an open heart. Just for a moment. Without judging.

Meditation on the Infinity of Space;

Try to actually "grasp" what "space" is.
Take a second to really think about what space even is.
No matter how hard you try to imagine where it ends, you just can't do it.
It’s always baffled me how our minds just spontaneously "close their eyes" to this simple fact—this incomprehensible reality that the brain is physically incapable of processing or limiting through mere chemistry.

It’s so gripping and fascinating that the mere attempt to "understand" spatial infinity pushes the mind right to its breaking point.

You don't even have to close your eyes.

Just put in the effort and truly contemplate it.

You’ll get the strongest effect on clear, bright nights when you can see the Milky Way stretching across the stars.
Trying to feel the vastness of the universe standing right in front of you is something that will absolutely leave you breathless.
Find somewhere quiet, far away from the city noise, sit down, and as you watch the outlines of the galaxies, just let the infinity of the space you're staring into swallow you whole.

The mind, quite simply, cannot wrap itself around what I’m talking about, and eventually, it’s going to snap.
Your consciousness will spontaneously leap past the boundary of the mind to merge with the infinity you’re provoking by pushing your perception to its limit.

At first, you might just get a hint that something is stirring beneath the surface...
But after a while, you’ll get these sudden "flashes," unexpected moments of realization—an indescribable state of perception that I can only describe as a magnificent, breathtaking experience.

The "eyes" of your inner being will snap open without warning, and you will undergo a cognitive explosion into something incomprehensible and grand—something that literally knocks the wind out of your lungs because the mind just can't handle it.

The sheer, brutal power and magnitude of the experience will knock you off your feet. All you'll remember is this frustratingly beautiful feeling that something slipped away.
It was right there, within reach, literally a millimeter from your nose, and in a heartbeat, it vanished.
It’s like you saw "everything" for a split second, but you didn't have the capacity to process what you saw, so you reflexively retreated back into the safety of your thoughts.

Literally.

It's worth a shot.

If it was possible for a little punk kid like me, it’s definitely possible for anyone else who tries.

PS.
And honestly? It’s all for nothing. Nobody even has to cough up a dime.

🙂


This is how I've been opening my "windows" for about ten years now.
In the evening, I lie down to rest (feeling totally peaceful). I lie on my back, completely relaxed, breathing gently, making no effort to think about anything at all.
Then, I visualize things and say to myself: "Let all the love I hold within every cell of my body pour out, gather, and flow back into my heart."
Once I feel like enough of that feeling has built up, I open the WINDOW, and it flows away from me into the sky, the universe, the galaxy. It doesn't stay trapped in the room or the house...

At the moment of merging—when the love I've gathered like a little honeybee meets the love waiting for me in the infinite space around me—this sense of endless belonging and unity is born.
The universe immediately gives back exactly what I sent out.
That massive, infinite void reacts to my tiny contribution just like a small key turning a heavy, giant door.
That's when the flashes happen inside me—a tapestry of calm and exhilaration, like that feeling of finally coming home after a long time away. The vibration of the universe and my own tiny part of it merge into a melody that washes through my body like warmth, joy, and peace.
After that, every dream feels like nothing more than a pale, faded copy of reality.
Michael Anderson2 Michael Anderson2 Active Member
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#11 ·
Jeremy Davis7 said:I see meditation is a pretty hot topic on this forum lately, so figured I’d throw my two cents into the ring.

I started messing with this stuff as a kid, totally by accident. And I’m telling you, anyone who gives it a shot is going to hit experiences that blow past the mind and all that conditioning that keeps our consciousness boxed in from reality.

You won't find this in any book.

It’s not in some ancient scroll, and it isn't part of any "school" or organized spiritual movement out there.

This is a pure, homegrown American product!
Just a random discovery by a dumb kid from a suburban neighborhood—and honestly, it’s the most effective meditative technique I know. No fake modesty here: compared to anything I’ve ever practiced or anything taught by gurus throughout history, regardless of where or when they lived...

It just blows everything else out of the water with how simple it is. It makes everything else look like background noise.

Sounds unbelievable, but it’s the truth.

I’m putting this out there for the first time, so if you’re interested, be my guest.

Do me a favor and try to kill that reflex to be skeptical right away. Just for a second, set aside all the nonsense you've been conditioned to believe—all the ideologies, the tantras, the mantras, the gurus, the spiritual ego, the thousand-year traditions, the mystical gimmicks... just try to feel the simplicity of what I’m saying with an open heart. Just for a moment. Without judging.

Meditation on the Infinity of Space;

Try to actually "grasp" what "space" is.
Take a second to really think about what space even is.
No matter how hard you try to imagine where it ends, you just can't do it.
It’s always baffled me how our minds just spontaneously "close their eyes" to this simple fact—this incomprehensible reality that the brain is physically incapable of processing or limiting through mere chemistry.

It’s so gripping and fascinating that the mere attempt to "understand" spatial infinity pushes the mind right to its breaking point.

You don't even have to close your eyes.

Just put in the effort and truly contemplate it.

You’ll get the strongest effect on clear, bright nights when you can see the Milky Way stretching across the stars.
Trying to feel the vastness of the universe standing right in front of you is something that will absolutely leave you breathless.
Find somewhere quiet, far away from the city noise, sit down, and as you watch the outlines of the galaxies, just let the infinity of the space you're staring into swallow you whole.

The mind, quite simply, cannot wrap itself around what I’m talking about, and eventually, it’s going to snap.
Your consciousness will spontaneously leap past the boundary of the mind to merge with the infinity you’re provoking by pushing your perception to its limit.

At first, you might just get a hint that something is stirring beneath the surface...
But after a while, you’ll get these sudden "flashes," unexpected moments of realization—an indescribable state of perception that I can only describe as a magnificent, breathtaking experience.

The "eyes" of your inner being will snap open without warning, and you will undergo a cognitive explosion into something incomprehensible and grand—something that literally knocks the wind out of your lungs because the mind just can't handle it.

The sheer, brutal power and magnitude of the experience will knock you off your feet. All you'll remember is this frustratingly beautiful feeling that something slipped away.
It was right there, within reach, literally a millimeter from your nose, and in a heartbeat, it vanished.
It’s like you saw "everything" for a split second, but you didn't have the capacity to process what you saw, so you reflexively retreated back into the safety of your thoughts.

Literally.

It's worth a shot.

If it was possible for a little punk kid like me, it’s definitely possible for anyone else who tries.

PS.
And honestly? It’s all for nothing. Nobody even has to cough up a dime.

🙂

I've had a similar moment myself—maybe not quite as cinematic as yours, but I remember it clearly. It was a crisp, clear night at a backyard BBQ, and we were all just lying back on the grass, staring up at the stars.
At first, it felt totally normal, but then it hit me—this sudden, overwhelming realization that I was looking into this massive, endless, dark, cold, empty, terrifying SPACE. It felt like staring into an abyss, and somehow, the abyss was staring right back at me... Yet, it wasn't scary—not even close. If anything, I felt a strange sense of belonging to it all.
feralhound55 feralhound55 Active Member
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#12 ·
Jeremy Palmer said:Jeremy Davis7 👍👍👍

I remember having those same thoughts when I was a kid—just staring up and wondering where the edge of that endless black void actually was. But whenever I tried to just sit there and meditate (or even just contemplate life), it would get overwhelming. There was this sensation of being completely overtaken by something much larger than myself; it felt like I was expanding and shrinking all at once, making my little mind feel like it was just collapsing. All I really recall is that sense of fear and this intense "warmth" that made it feel like I was simply fading away.

Glad you pointed out the bolded part... that's normal, right? Is that how it's supposed to go? That sensation used to scare me too, but now I just let it happen—that's about it. Nothing really follows. Not sure if I'm explaining this well; maybe someone can tell me what's actually going on.
Jeremy Davis7 Jeremy Davis7 Active MemberOP
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#13 ·
Jeremy Palmer kaže:
I used to get those same thoughts when I was just a kid—staring up at the sky, wondering where the edge of that endless black void actually was. It’s heavy stuff for a little girl. Back then, whenever I tried to sit still and meditate—or just drift off into deep thought, whatever you want to call it—it would absolutely wreck me. Every single time. There’d be this moment where everything just... transcends. It floods you. You feel like you're expanding to fill the whole universe and shrinking down to nothing all at once. It’s overwhelming. Honestly, it felt like my tiny little mind was just collapsing under the weight of it all.All I can really recall is that sheer, gut-wrenching terror. There was this... I don't know, this "ceiling" or some kind of upper limit, and it felt like I was just fading away. Like I was disappearing right in front of my own eyes..

I haven't really felt that kind of warmth you're talking about... nor have I felt that fear. Not personally, anyway.

Look, before I even got to what I was talking about, there’s been this constant pattern. These "flashes" of insight I mentioned? They don't just happen in a vacuum. Every single time, they come with this intense, full-body hair standing on end. I mean, literally every single hair on my body. It's wild.
It’s phrased in such a way that I honestly don't know if I can stomach it every single time.
It’s actually kind of a trip—that paralyzing, bone-chilling sensation. You can basically dial it up or down whenever you want. It’s all about whether you just lean into it and let it take over, or if you decide to pull the emergency brake and bolt the second you feel that frantic, galloping grip starting to tighten. Once I feel like I'm losing the reins, I'm out.

Another weird thing is happening to me. Every single time those "flashes of inspiration" hit, I get this intense, overwhelming scent of pine—like a heavy Mediterranean mix of pine needles and wild herbs. I'm not even kidding. And on top of that? This total emotional rollercoaster hits out of nowhere. Just a massive wave of random feelings that have absolutely nothing to do with what's actually happening. It's bizarre.
Sometimes it’s this heavy, gut-wrenching sadness that I can’t even put into words—like I’m mourning something I can’t quite remember, but the feeling is right there, hovering on the tip of my tongue. Other times, it’s this weird, sudden surge of euphoria. Most days? It’s just a messy, exhausting cocktail of both hitting me at once.

Honestly, I’ve reached a point where I can just ignore those emotional outbursts. I don't give them any weight at all—not even bothering to wonder what's triggering them. I just let them vent and run their course. They eventually pass on their own.
They’re just sitting there on the sidelines, really. They don't actually contribute anything to the experience—they're nothing more than emotional background noise.

Look, I’d argue they aren't exactly harmless. They definitely have the potential to emotionally drain you—to just completely suck the life out of a person until there's nothing left.
Honestly? I feel like we just need to cut them off at the root and stop giving them the time of day. Which, let’s be real, isn't exactly a difficult task.
I feel like he’d spiral pretty fast. One minute you're curious, and the next, you're just drowning in this pointless, heavy melancholy mixed with that weird, hollow euphoria. It’s dangerous. As soon as you start "peering" in that direction—really letting yourself look—you’re basically finished. You just lose yourself in it.

It’s all fine and easy on paper, you know? You feel totally in control right up until you actually start digging around in their business. Once you start poking at them, you’re gonna get tangled up like a fly in a web... or you'll just lose your damn mind, like Odysseus went stir-crazy listening to those sirens.

I’m guessing we’re talking about those subconscious impressions—those half-baked memories and weird mental cobwebs that only surface once you’ve pushed your brain to the absolute limit. It’s like when you finally stop fighting and let the walls of your own understanding crumble. Your mind just keeps shoving itself forward, desperately trying to wrap its head around the concept of infinity... and failing, obviously.

Honestly? This whole "spontaneous meditation" or contemplation thing... if it actually happened to me, I’d be absolutely losing my mind. Just thinking about it makes me anxious. I just keep thinking... what if something actually happened? What if something finally arrived that was bigger than me? Something so massive it just floods everything—expanding my whole existence while simultaneously crushing it down. I’m talking about that kind of overwhelming force that would just shatter my tiny little mind. Honestly, I don't know if I could even handle it.....

Honestly, what you’re talking about hits home for me too. It doesn't matter how much experience I claim to have; I still get stuck in that same endless loop. It's exhausting.
It happens to me all the time—just getting swept away, no matter what I’m actually doing. Whether I'm just sitting there staring at a wall, trying to find some inner peace, or actually focusing on a task... it doesn't matter. As long as I've managed to get even a little bit calm or centered, that's when it hits. It's like the moment I finally find my footing, everything just pulls me under again.
I wouldn't call it something you need to be afraid of. Honestly, I don't see the panic.
The first time I ever dealt with something like that, I was just a kid. I remember lying there in bed, shivering under a mountain of blankets, feeling like my brain was melting from a fever. That's when it hit me.
Back then, it was honestly driving me insane. Pure, unadulterated panic. But eventually? The fear just... evaporated. It happens.
Sometimes I just let it happen. I stop fighting and let that sensory expansion—that weird perceptual shift where everything suddenly feels too big or too tight—just swallow me whole. There’s no warning sign, no pattern to it. It hits whenever it wants, triggered by absolutely nothing in particular. One minute I'm fine, the next, the walls are breathing. No rules. Just happens.

I hope we’re actually talking about the same thing here;
That sensation where you feel like your body has been stretched out for miles—like your arms or legs (and all those other limbs 😉) feel like they're miles away from your face, yet at the exact same time, in this way that's almost impossible to put into words, they're right "there," under your nose. Literally.
It's like you've shrunk down to some impossible microscopic size inside your own head, and suddenly your body feels massive and distant, even though you can still feel it sitting "right there."
It's this incredibly disorienting macro-micro perception of your own physical self, just infinitely stretched out through space... (I know, I sound like a total nutcase, but I'm hoping we're on the same page experientially)

I've noticed that the more I lean into it (really diving into that perceptual shrinking...), my breathing starts to slow down on its own—almost to the point where it's barely happening. It seems like this spatial "expansion," or rather this internal shrinking within the body, is definitely tied to breath control... at least for me, I can use breathing to crank that sensation up even more.

To be honest, I see it more as a perceptual quirk than some profound spiritual breakthrough.
It's something that piques my curiosity when it happens spontaneously, but deep down, it doesn't have enough weight to actually touch my soul.

🙂
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#14 ·
Jeremy Davis7 said:Jeremy Palmer kaže:
I used to get those same thoughts when I was just a kid—staring up at the sky, wondering where the edge of that endless black void actually was. It’s heavy stuff for a little girl. Back then, whenever I tried to sit still and meditate—or just drift off into deep thought, whatever you want to call it—it would absolutely wreck me. Every single time. There’d be this moment where everything just... transcends. It floods you. You feel like you're expanding to fill the whole universe and shrinking down to nothing all at once. It’s overwhelming. Honestly, it felt like my tiny little mind was just collapsing under the weight of it all.All I can really recall is that sheer, gut-wrenching terror. There was this... I don't know, this "ceiling" or some kind of upper limit, and it felt like I was just fading away. Like I was disappearing right in front of my own eyes..

I haven't really felt that kind of warmth you're talking about... nor have I felt that fear. Not personally, anyway.

Look, before I even got to what I was talking about, there’s been this constant pattern. These "flashes" of insight I mentioned? They don't just happen in a vacuum. Every single time, they come with this intense, full-body hair standing on end. I mean, literally every single hair on my body. It's wild.
It’s phrased in such a way that I honestly don't know if I can stomach it every single time.
It’s actually kind of a trip—that paralyzing, bone-chilling sensation. You can basically dial it up or down whenever you want. It’s all about whether you just lean into it and let it take over, or if you decide to pull the emergency brake and bolt the second you feel that frantic, galloping grip starting to tighten. Once I feel like I'm losing the reins, I'm out.

Another weird thing is happening to me. Every single time those "flashes of inspiration" hit, I get this intense, overwhelming scent of pine—like a heavy Mediterranean mix of pine needles and wild herbs. I'm not even kidding. And on top of that? This total emotional rollercoaster hits out of nowhere. Just a massive wave of random feelings that have absolutely nothing to do with what's actually happening. It's bizarre.
Sometimes it’s this heavy, gut-wrenching sadness that I can’t even put into words—like I’m mourning something I can’t quite remember, but the feeling is right there, hovering on the tip of my tongue. Other times, it’s this weird, sudden surge of euphoria. Most days? It’s just a messy, exhausting cocktail of both hitting me at once.

Honestly, I’ve reached a point where I can just ignore those emotional outbursts. I don't give them any weight at all—not even bothering to wonder what's triggering them. I just let them vent and run their course. They eventually pass on their own.
They’re just sitting there on the sidelines, really. They don't actually contribute anything to the experience—they're nothing more than emotional background noise.

Look, I’d argue they aren't exactly harmless. They definitely have the potential to emotionally drain you—to just completely suck the life out of a person until there's nothing left.
Honestly? I feel like we just need to cut them off at the root and stop giving them the time of day. Which, let’s be real, isn't exactly a difficult task.
I feel like he’d spiral pretty fast. One minute you're curious, and the next, you're just drowning in this pointless, heavy melancholy mixed with that weird, hollow euphoria. It’s dangerous. As soon as you start "peering" in that direction—really letting yourself look—you’re basically finished. You just lose yourself in it.

It’s all fine and easy on paper, you know? You feel totally in control right up until you actually start digging around in their business. Once you start poking at them, you’re gonna get tangled up like a fly in a web... or you'll just lose your damn mind, like Odysseus went stir-crazy listening to those sirens.

I’m guessing we’re talking about those subconscious impressions—those half-baked memories and weird mental cobwebs that only surface once you’ve pushed your brain to the absolute limit. It’s like when you finally stop fighting and let the walls of your own understanding crumble. Your mind just keeps shoving itself forward, desperately trying to wrap its head around the concept of infinity... and failing, obviously.

Honestly? This whole "spontaneous meditation" or contemplation thing... if it actually happened to me, I’d be absolutely losing my mind. Just thinking about it makes me anxious. I just keep thinking... what if something actually happened? What if something finally arrived that was bigger than me? Something so massive it just floods everything—expanding my whole existence while simultaneously crushing it down. I’m talking about that kind of overwhelming force that would just shatter my tiny little mind. Honestly, I don't know if I could even handle it.....

Honestly, what you’re talking about hits home for me too. It doesn't matter how much experience I claim to have; I still get stuck in that same endless loop. It's exhausting.
It happens to me all the time—just getting swept away, no matter what I’m actually doing. Whether I'm just sitting there staring at a wall, trying to find some inner peace, or actually focusing on a task... it doesn't matter. As long as I've managed to get even a little bit calm or centered, that's when it hits. It's like the moment I finally find my footing, everything just pulls me under again.
I wouldn't call it something you need to be afraid of. Honestly, I don't see the panic.
The first time I ever dealt with something like that, I was just a kid. I remember lying there in bed, shivering under a mountain of blankets, feeling like my brain was melting from a fever. That's when it hit me.
Back then, it was honestly driving me insane. Pure, unadulterated panic. But eventually? The fear just... evaporated. It happens.
Sometimes I just let it happen. I stop fighting and let that sensory expansion—that weird perceptual shift where everything suddenly feels too big or too tight—just swallow me whole. There’s no warning sign, no pattern to it. It hits whenever it wants, triggered by absolutely nothing in particular. One minute I'm fine, the next, the walls are breathing. No rules. Just happens.

I hope we’re actually talking about the same thing here;
That sensation where you feel like your body has been stretched out for miles—like your arms or legs (and all those other limbs 😉) feel like they're miles away from your face, yet at the exact same time, in this way that's almost impossible to put into words, they're right "there," under your nose. Literally.
It's like you've shrunk down to some impossible microscopic size inside your own head, and suddenly your body feels massive and distant, even though you can still feel it sitting "right there."
It's this incredibly disorienting macro-micro perception of your own physical self, just infinitely stretched out through space... (I know, I sound like a total nutcase, but I'm hoping we're on the same page experientially)

I've noticed that the more I lean into it (really diving into that perceptual shrinking...), my breathing starts to slow down on its own—almost to the point where it's barely happening. It seems like this spatial "expansion," or rather this internal shrinking within the body, is definitely tied to breath control... at least for me, I can use breathing to crank that sensation up even more.

To be honest, I see it more as a perceptual quirk than some profound spiritual breakthrough.
It's something that piques my curiosity when it happens spontaneously, but deep down, it doesn't have enough weight to actually touch my soul.

🙂

First off, thanks for sharing—my experiences are pretty much identical, even if the paths taken were different.

Regarding the above... your assumption is solid; it really is just something buried inside you surfacing. But it isn't a bad thing—it's a cleansing, an "exhalation" of emotions. You can ignore them, but try letting them happen just once... I experience all sorts of emotions during certain processes, and it's been explained to me that I should just let them flow and keep going, and the feelings will come out. Whether it's crying like a baby, laughing, or just weeping from happiness. I don't fight it; I know it won't last forever and I'll feel better once it's all out of me. It's always like that. A few minutes of crying and I'm a new person. Literally washed clean on the inside. Try it if you want, it's great. And there's no shame in crying. 😉 It's not something that's going to drag you down or keep you depressed for days—don't worry—and neither will the positive, euphoric states. In the end, all that's left is peace.
Peter Phillips32 Peter Phillips32 Active Member
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#15 ·
feralhound55 said:First off, thanks for sharing—my experiences are pretty much identical, even if the paths taken were different.

Regarding the above... your assumption is solid; it really is just something buried inside you surfacing. But it isn't a bad thing—it's a cleansing, an "exhalation" of emotions. You can ignore them, but try letting them happen just once... I experience all sorts of emotions during certain processes, and it's been explained to me that I should just let them flow and keep going, and the feelings will come out. Whether it's crying like a baby, laughing, or just weeping from happiness. I don't fight it; I know it won't last forever and I'll feel better once it's all out of me. It's always like that. A few minutes of crying and I'm a new person. Literally washed clean on the inside. Try it if you want, it's great. And there's no shame in crying. 😉 It's not something that's going to drag you down or keep you depressed for days—don't worry—and neither will the positive, euphoric states. In the end, all that's left is peace.

That isn't some kind of "cleansing" or "exhaling" emotions; it's just you overemphasizing things and viewing everything through one narrow lens. Just shift your perception and you won't feel this desperate need for these emotional outlets—all that "crying like a maniac, or laughing, or just crying from happiness" nonsense.
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#16 ·
Peter Phillips32 said:That isn't some kind of "cleansing" or "exhaling" emotions; it's just you overemphasizing things and viewing everything through one narrow lens. Just shift your perception and you won't feel this desperate need for these emotional outlets—all that "crying like a maniac, or laughing, or just crying from happiness" nonsense.

Well, that is exactly what changing your perception looks like.

What goes in has to come out eventually—this is a perfectly fine way to do it.
Peter Phillips32 Peter Phillips32 Active Member
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#17 ·
feralhound55 said:Well, that is exactly what changing your perception looks like.

What goes in has to come out eventually—this is a perfectly fine way to do it.

Look, just shift your perception enough so you aren't constantly mourning or feeling like you've lost control whenever things actually go well, and then you won't even need some kind of emotional pressure valve to vent.
What goes in has to come out eventually. This is just my way of handling it.

Nothing is actually "entering" or "leaving" because all of this stuff is already inside you—all those feelings are just internal. They don't enter or exit; they just morph. Happiness turns into sadness, sadness drags you down into depression, then depression flips back into happiness, and so on.
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#18 ·
Peter Phillips32 said:Look, just shift your perception enough so you aren't constantly mourning or feeling like you've lost control whenever things actually go well, and then you won't even need some kind of emotional pressure valve to vent.
What goes in has to come out eventually. This is just my way of handling it.

Nothing is actually "entering" or "leaving" because all of this stuff is already inside you—all those feelings are just internal. They don't enter or exit; they just morph. Happiness turns into sadness, sadness drags you down into depression, then depression flips back into happiness, and so on.

What planet did you just land from, honey?😲
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to vigilanty:
Does your yoga practice teach you how to be this intrusive, considering you've already cluttered four different threads?

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