Haider has been killed

A few months back—I can’t remember the exact date—I was watching German TV when they mentioned how a prominent Austrian politician, Joerg Heider, was planning to call for a referendum on Austria leaving the European Union, fueled by the public's growing frustration with Brussels. Then, just a week later, Heider died in a car crash, allegedly while driving drunk. But everyone who actually knew him? They insisted Heider never touched a drop.
My immediate thought was that Heider was taken out. Why? Because if Austria pulls the plug on the European Union, it sets a precedent that would almost certainly trigger a rapid collapse of that already shaky, centralized dictatorship.
The more I dig into the true nature of the European Union, the more these patterns start making sense. Look at the facts: On November 28, voters in Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty in a referendum. Then, on December 6, dioxin was suddenly "discovered" in Irish pork exports. Immediately after? All exports from Ireland were shut down.

And today, I stumbled upon this article:

What’s your take on this?

Let’s be honest—a car built like that can handle those speeds without breaking a sweat...

But since we’re still living in an era where humans actually drive the cars—rather than being passengers in some autonomous fever dream—and considering the guy behind the wheel was cruising with a 0.18 BAC, I’m pretty sure the math here is pretty straightforward...

He was murdered, plain and simple! How could anyone possibly believe otherwise when the evidence is so overwhelming?

cosmicpuma15 said:A few months back—I can’t remember the exact date—I was watching German TV when they mentioned how a prominent Austrian politician, Joerg Heider, was planning to call for a referendum on Austria leaving the European Union, fueled by the public's growing frustration with Brussels. Then, just a week later, Heider died in a car crash, allegedly while driving drunk. But everyone who actually knew him? They insisted Heider never touched a drop.
My immediate thought was that Heider was taken out. Why? Because if Austria pulls the plug on the European Union, it sets a precedent that would almost certainly trigger a rapid collapse of that already shaky, centralized dictatorship.
The more I dig into the true nature of the European Union, the more these patterns start making sense. Look at the facts: On November 28, voters in Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty in a referendum. Then, on December 6, dioxin was suddenly "discovered" in Irish pork exports. Immediately after? All exports from Ireland were shut down.

And today, I stumbled upon this article:

What’s your take on this?

The article doesn't seem to include a single name or any direct quotes from an official at Volkswagen who would actually make such a statement. Even the source doesn't strike me as particularly reliable. I suppose I feel a certain sadness regarding Joerg Heider, as he felt like a genuine breath of fresh air in the political landscape of the European Union. He was also a wonderful friend to America. At the same time, he was a bit of an adventurer with a very intense, driven personality—the kind of guy it seems God sometimes calls home a little too early. I guess I'm still not quite ready to believe that his passing was the result of a conspiracy.

Peter Thul is that guy from Volkswagen who went on the record about everything regarding VW and that whole scandal... and let's be real—he didn't just decide to open his mouth without getting the green light from the higher-ups first... most likely straight from their marketing department...

Adam Collins4 said:Peter Thul is that guy from Volkswagen who went on the record about everything regarding VW and that whole scandal... and let's be real—he didn't just decide to open his mouth without getting the green light from the higher-ups first... most likely straight from their marketing department...

My apologies, I didn't realize that earlier. In light of this, I guess I should withdraw my previous comment and I would kindly ask that one "NO" vote be removed from my entry in the poll—I shall remain neutral for the time being.

I saw some show where they mentioned this guy who was dead drunk, stumbled into some local dive bar, and passed out. No wonder his reflexes were shot, though he still managed to drive way too fast.

With a blood alcohol level of 0.08%, you’re basically cruising toward a crash even if the plane is on autopilot...

And honestly, who knows what kind of total wreck you'd cause in a car at those speeds...

Even if he was killed, it’s just more proof that the European Union can't stomach anyone with even a hint of neo-fascist or far-right leanings, period.

bluerider63 said:Even if he was killed, it’s just more proof that the European Union can't stomach anyone with even a hint of neo-fascist or far-right leanings, period.

In American terms, you could say the FBI is back at it again! So, I guess those methods are perfectly fine as long as they're targeting people on the right?
We really missed the mark during the early 90s when we actually believed in reconciliation—and then we messed up again later on by agreeing to those amnesties...

stormygull67 said:In American terms, you could say the FBI is back at it again! So, I guess those methods are perfectly fine as long as they're targeting people on the right?
We really missed the mark during the early 90s when we actually believed in reconciliation—and then we messed up again later on by agreeing to those amnesties...

Whether the methods were right or wrong doesn't even matter at this point because nobody is talking about how it was actually done; you really have to wonder why all of Europe is just staying silent about his murder.

bluerider63 said:Whether the methods were right or wrong doesn't even matter at this point because nobody is talking about how it was actually done; you really have to wonder why all of Europe is just staying silent about his murder.

Well, maybe it's because they don't necessarily view it as a murder in the first place. And if it was? Then those methods used are definitely more than questionable...

cosmicpuma15 said:A few months back—I can’t remember the exact date—I was watching German TV when they mentioned how a prominent Austrian politician, Joerg Heider, was planning to call for a referendum on Austria leaving the European Union, fueled by the public's growing frustration with Brussels. Then, just a week later, Heider died in a car crash, allegedly while driving drunk. But everyone who actually knew him? They insisted Heider never touched a drop.
My immediate thought was that Heider was taken out. Why? Because if Austria pulls the plug on the European Union, it sets a precedent that would almost certainly trigger a rapid collapse of that already shaky, centralized dictatorship.
The more I dig into the true nature of the European Union, the more these patterns start making sense. Look at the facts: On November 28, voters in Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty in a referendum. Then, on December 6, dioxin was suddenly "discovered" in Irish pork exports. Immediately after? All exports from Ireland were shut down.

And today, I stumbled upon this article:

What’s your take on this?

Honestly, I feel like people are giving Haider way more credit than he ever actually earned in politics.
Svetina just lives for conspiracy theories, especially when things get crazy like this. ☕

hollowmaker85 said:Honestly, I feel like people are giving Haider way more credit than he ever actually earned in politics.
Svetina just lives for conspiracy theories, especially when things get crazy like this. ☕

Calling something a "conspiracy theory" is just what people do to shut down the conversation because conspiracies are everywhere—I mean, look at how most arrests in the US are built entirely on conspiracy-based criminal liability! It’s wild.

The smartest move is to convince everyone that there are no conspiracies behind the big stuff, and then you've got all these idiots running around calling anyone who uses their own brain a "conspiracy theorist"—just a bunch of mindless sheep feeding on nonsense.

Look, Koerg Haider was murdered, plain and simple. If anyone wants to argue otherwise, they can catch up with me later—seriously, why was his secretary working for the Mossad? Once someone explains to me why an organization like the Mossad would be messing around with a local political figure, then maybe we can talk about "unfounded" theories. Until then, you're just peddling nonsense, my friend!

Nancy Wood6 said:Calling something a "conspiracy theory" is just what people do to shut down the conversation because conspiracies are everywhere—I mean, look at how most arrests in the US are built entirely on conspiracy-based criminal liability! It’s wild.

The smartest move is to convince everyone that there are no conspiracies behind the big stuff, and then you've got all these idiots running around calling anyone who uses their own brain a "conspiracy theorist"—just a bunch of mindless sheep feeding on nonsense.

Look, Koerg Haider was murdered, plain and simple. If anyone wants to argue otherwise, they can catch up with me later—seriously, why was his secretary working for the Mossad? Once someone explains to me why an organization like the Mossad would be messing around with a local political figure, then maybe we can talk about "unfounded" theories. Until then, you're just peddling nonsense, my friend!

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call them idiots. But there's a real truth to the idea that adding the word "theory" adds this layer of triviality to it. If we just called them "conspiracies," people would probably take the whole thing much more seriously.

Nancy Wood6 said:Calling something a "conspiracy theory" is just what people do to shut down the conversation because conspiracies are everywhere—I mean, look at how most arrests in the US are built entirely on conspiracy-based criminal liability! It’s wild.

The smartest move is to convince everyone that there are no conspiracies behind the big stuff, and then you've got all these idiots running around calling anyone who uses their own brain a "conspiracy theorist"—just a bunch of mindless sheep feeding on nonsense.

Look, Koerg Haider was murdered, plain and simple. If anyone wants to argue otherwise, they can catch up with me later—seriously, why was his secretary working for the Mossad? Once someone explains to me why an organization like the Mossad would be messing around with a local political figure, then maybe we can talk about "unfounded" theories. Until then, you're just peddling nonsense, my friend!

And honestly, that’s the ultimate win for those pulling the strings—convincing the public that conspiracies aren't even a thing. Sure, you'll always have a certain group of people who start questioning things, but they just get smothered by media propaganda. And we all know how much influence the mainstream media has over the general population...

Nancy Wood6 said:Calling something a "conspiracy theory" is just what people do to shut down the conversation because conspiracies are everywhere—I mean, look at how most arrests in the US are built entirely on conspiracy-based criminal liability! It’s wild.

The smartest move is to convince everyone that there are no conspiracies behind the big stuff, and then you've got all these idiots running around calling anyone who uses their own brain a "conspiracy theorist"—just a bunch of mindless sheep feeding on nonsense.

Look, Koerg Haider was murdered, plain and simple. If anyone wants to argue otherwise, they can catch up with me later—seriously, why was his secretary working for the Mossad? Once someone explains to me why an organization like the Mossad would be messing around with a local political figure, then maybe we can talk about "unfounded" theories. Until then, you're just peddling nonsense, my friend!

I actually thought he had been killed the moment I heard the news, too. As for all that stuff about him being a closeted guy or whatever—that feels like something they could have just tacked on later just to smear his reputation.
I hadn't heard that part about the Mossad bit.

😵 Just when I thought we’d hit rock bottom with the conspiracy theories, here comes another batch of absolute nonsense. Seriously though, can one of you professional truth-seekers weigh in? Is it officially a conspiracy theory to suggest that Joerg Heider was actually playing both sides? 🤣

Nancy Wood6 said:Calling something a "conspiracy theory" is just what people do to shut down the conversation because conspiracies are everywhere—I mean, look at how most arrests in the US are built entirely on conspiracy-based criminal liability! It’s wild.

The smartest move is to convince everyone that there are no conspiracies behind the big stuff, and then you've got all these idiots running around calling anyone who uses their own brain a "conspiracy theorist"—just a bunch of mindless sheep feeding on nonsense.

Look, Koerg Haider was murdered, plain and simple. If anyone wants to argue otherwise, they can catch up with me later—seriously, why was his secretary working for the Mossad? Once someone explains to me why an organization like the Mossad would be messing around with a local political figure, then maybe we can talk about "unfounded" theories. Until then, you're just peddling nonsense, my friend!

Someone will undoubtedly present some relevant, serious evidence to back this up eventually.

No, he wasn't murdered. Why would anyone bother killing a marginal figure like him? Regardless of what the media claims, he was an outcast. This whole situation with Haider reminds me of the Herbert Norkus case, which was used to fuel widespread hatred and strengthen Nazi sentiment. Haider took his own life; he got drunk like a pig, hopped in his car, and sped through town—where the limit is 44 miles/h—at 93 miles/h, with no seatbelt on. Nobody killed him. He killed himself, and frankly, I feel nothing for him. It's unbelievable how people will manufacture a conspiracy theory out of anything, and once again, they're targeting the Jews. What's new with the usual group of anti-Semites?

vividrider3 said:Someone will undoubtedly present some relevant, serious evidence to back this up eventually.

It’s hardly a secret:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle528859.ece

Of course the CIA was tracking Haider. 👍

The real question is, who’s next on the list? 🤣

Oh, and we all know the CIA probably has access to everyone's IP addresses on this forum anyway...

bluerider63 said:Even if he was killed, it’s just more proof that the European Union can't stomach anyone with even a hint of neo-fascist or far-right leanings, period.

Oooooo, if only they were actually consistent about it.