Why are you guys still voting Republican?

electricgardener8 said:because they see how beautiful it is
I believe America is moving in the right direction because politics is a fickle mistress
I’m not nearly as frustrated as you all are, nor am I looking for problems where none exist
I managed to find it in my heart to forgive the Republican Party—not the individuals, mind you—for the corruption of the 90s, and to me, Reagan was a hero of the era (before he lost his way)
Since the European Union is inherently socialist-leaning, we desperately need a right-wing administration
The Republican Party is on the right track; after all, it's an old dog that's hard to retrain, and change takes time

Look, I’m highly educated too. Three degrees under my belt. But frankly, I’m embarrassed to say who I work for or how I got there. I don't quite follow your logic. Every person I know in the Republican Party, or even those who vote for them, does it out of pure self-interest. It's about getting a job through a connection, rigging a contract... not to mention the outright extortion. I haven't met a single Republican voter who actually thinks the party is "good" just for the sake of being good...

I guess the answer boils down to two main things.

First, there really isn't a strong alternative out there right now (even though the Republican Party is an absolute disaster and has gone way too far). I mean, the Democratic Party and Joe Biden were basically handed a win in the last election, but everything they do just makes it worse. They go from one stupid mistake to the next, bringing up trivial issues that only serve to make them lose. They’re constantly on the defensive, and when people point out how bad their campaign is, they act like everyone else is the idiot and they're the geniuses. How is anyone supposed to trust Joe Biden when he keeps digging his own grave?

Second, plenty of people still see the Democratic Party as just a bunch of old-school communists without any real vision. And once again, the party undermines itself with all sorts of nonsense—singing songs about the Soviet Union, celebrating Independence Day, and other similar stupidity.

On top of that, they have the whole Eric Adams situation where he's pulling off massive thefts in New York City, and the Democratic Party just stays quiet..

There are a few other minor issues, but overall, it seems to me like the Democratic Party really screwed the pooch with Joe Biden..

True, but the Republican Party and the Democratic Party aren't the only players in the game...🤷

Kevin Mitchell said:True, but the Republican Party and the Democratic Party aren't the only players in the game...🤷

Well, they basically are (except for a few local parties here and there)

The reasons go deep, but the biggest issue is that the Republican Party was so dominant during the early days of building this country that they basically sat on top of the mountain as the default setting, and once you're up there, you don't move. They built a brand for people who don't even realize what a "brand" is. Think about it—how do people in rural areas actually vote? A kid heads to the polling station and checks five boxes. He does it for himself, his mom, his dad, his uncles, his aunts—basically everyone too old or too tired to make the trip. And even if they do show up, they only know one party. The Republican Party. Most Americans come from those small towns, uneducated and uninterested in anything serious besides the local harvest or whether gas prices went up by ten cents this week.

The other parties just fail at marketing, and that’s the real problem. It shows they aren't trying hard enough, which proves they can't convince the public of things that are as obvious as day and night. No matter how bad the Republican Party gets, they always have a base. It’s passed down through generations. I have a friend who finished his degree in economics, works at a major bank, and isn't stupid. He told me L.J. Jurcic was his best professor in college, but he said there's absolutely no way he's voting for the Democrats. I'm not saying he *has* to vote for the Democratic Party; that's not the point. The point is why he won't. His reasoning is broad and completely nonsensical. The guy hasn't even formed a real opinion about the world around him or the forces shaping it. If an educated, smart guy talks like that, imagine how the uneducated ones think. You could sell anything to them, just like whatever Ivo Sanders is pulling lately.

fadedangler said:It looks to me like the country is just sinking further into trouble. The Republican Party seems to be getting more corrupt by the day, and honestly, Sanders can't seem to get anything right. It feels like you aren't even allowed to speak your mind if you disagree with the administration. Sanders acts like he owns the place—he could probably pull off a full dictatorship if he really wanted to, since he can basically arrest whoever he feels like. The only thing stopping him is that we don't have Gulags here yet.
So, I have to ask you guys:
Why are you still sticking by Sanders? I mean, has he completely brainwashed everyone, or is there something else going on here?

For instance, I’m not a supporter of the Republican Party, and I definitely don't support this version of them, but I’d honestly rather deal with the current GOP than the Democratic Party/HNS option. The way the Republican Party is acting right now is leading us toward a disaster at a slow crawl, whereas the alternative—a Democratic Party/HNS coalition backed by Stjepan Mason—would send us hurtling toward catastrophe at full speed.

nimblemarlin17 said:The reasons go deep, but the biggest issue is that the Republican Party was so dominant during the early days of building this country that they basically sat on top of the mountain as the default setting, and once you're up there, you don't move. They built a brand for people who don't even realize what a "brand" is. Think about it—how do people in rural areas actually vote? A kid heads to the polling station and checks five boxes. He does it for himself, his mom, his dad, his uncles, his aunts—basically everyone too old or too tired to make the trip. And even if they do show up, they only know one party. The Republican Party. Most Americans come from those small towns, uneducated and uninterested in anything serious besides the local harvest or whether gas prices went up by ten cents this week.

The other parties just fail at marketing, and that’s the real problem. It shows they aren't trying hard enough, which proves they can't convince the public of things that are as obvious as day and night. No matter how bad the Republican Party gets, they always have a base. It’s passed down through generations. I have a friend who finished his degree in economics, works at a major bank, and isn't stupid. He told me L.J. Jurcic was his best professor in college, but he said there's absolutely no way he's voting for the Democrats. I'm not saying he *has* to vote for the Democratic Party; that's not the point. The point is why he won't. His reasoning is broad and completely nonsensical. The guy hasn't even formed a real opinion about the world around him or the forces shaping it. If an educated, smart guy talks like that, imagine how the uneducated ones think. You could sell anything to them, just like whatever Ivo Sanders is pulling lately.

What you wrote above isn't true. It's a total urban legend that someone shows up in rural towns and votes for the whole family (it happens, sure, but it's a tiny fraction). The rest of this is just underestimating rural Americans. People aren't quite as dumb as you think. When Pusički basically claims all smart people (linking it directly to cities) vote for the Democrats while uneducated farmers vote Republican—well, you can't expect their votes then. Your take is stereotypical and some of it—like the group voting thing—is just false.

As for that last part—plenty of educated people don't vote at all, and a huge chunk of those who do vote for the Republican Party simply because they don't like the alternative (meaning Zoran Milanović, who can't seem to win a fight he's already winning).
(Just to be clear—I've never voted Republican in my life, though that doesn't really matter)

Joseph Wright4 said:What you wrote above isn't true. It's a total urban legend that someone shows up in rural towns and votes for the whole family (it happens, sure, but it's a tiny fraction). The rest of this is just underestimating rural Americans. People aren't quite as dumb as you think. When Pusički basically claims all smart people (linking it directly to cities) vote for the Democrats while uneducated farmers vote Republican—well, you can't expect their votes then. Your take is stereotypical and some of it—like the group voting thing—is just false.

As for that last part—plenty of educated people don't vote at all, and a huge chunk of those who do vote for the Republican Party simply because they don't like the alternative (meaning Zoran Milanović, who can't seem to win a fight he's already winning).
(Just to be clear—I've never voted Republican in my life, though that doesn't really matter)

It’s not some myth, it’s reality. What do you think my grandma votes for? An uncle or a nephew rolls up and says, "Hey Grandma, I'll do this for you so you don't have to walk down to the polls." Just guess which party gets all those votes.

Then there’s the military. Back in the day, I was in a friendly weekend soccer league with a proud US Armed Forces colonel. He wasn't ashamed to talk openly in the pub about how they used to rig hundreds of votes for the Republican Party and how much it sucks now because it's become way harder.

When you hear things like that firsthand, they stop being urban legends or fairy tales. Tens of thousands of votes across America go to the Republican Party that way.

Everyone already knows how this works. It's common knowledge.😁

nimblemarlin17 said:It’s not some myth, it’s reality. What do you think my grandma votes for? An uncle or a nephew rolls up and says, "Hey Grandma, I'll do this for you so you don't have to walk down to the polls." Just guess which party gets all those votes.

Then there’s the military. Back in the day, I was in a friendly weekend soccer league with a proud US Armed Forces colonel. He wasn't ashamed to talk openly in the pub about how they used to rig hundreds of votes for the Republican Party and how much it sucks now because it's become way harder.

When you hear things like that firsthand, they stop being urban legends or fairy tales. Tens of thousands of votes across America go to the Republican Party that way.

Look, that happened back in the 90s, but in the last few elections, it's happened so rarely it's basically negligible—it doesn't change the outcome. I’ve actually served on an election commission myself, and I never saw anything like that. Not to mention, since around 2000, even in a tiny town of 100 people, you've got poll watchers from every single party present. So yeah, maybe it happens occasionally, but definitely not in numbers big enough to swing an election. And if it were happening as massively as you're claiming, the Democratic Party would be shouting it from the rooftops, along with other parties. It's just not true.

Joseph Wright4 said:Look, that happened back in the 90s, but in the last few elections, it's happened so rarely it's basically negligible—it doesn't change the outcome. I’ve actually served on an election commission myself, and I never saw anything like that. Not to mention, since around 2000, even in a tiny town of 100 people, you've got poll watchers from every single party present. So yeah, maybe it happens occasionally, but definitely not in numbers big enough to swing an election. And if it were happening as massively as you're claiming, the Democratic Party would be shouting it from the rooftops, along with other parties. It's just not true.

I guess you could look at my mom's hometown as an example. It’s a small community of maybe 200 people, perhaps a little more. They hire three locals to watch the polls—this time, my aunt was actually one of them—paying them $167 just to monitor the voting and keep an eye on the ballot boxes. But honestly, I suppose anyone could find a way to cheat.

velvetmaker3 said:For instance, I’m not a supporter of the Republican Party, and I definitely don't support this version of them, but I’d honestly rather deal with the current GOP than the Democratic Party/HNS option. The way the Republican Party is acting right now is leading us toward a disaster at a slow crawl, whereas the alternative—a Democratic Party/HNS coalition backed by Stjepan Mason—would send us hurtling toward catastrophe at full speed.

It's a lot like when someone else here once put it: "I hate Ivo Sanders just a tiny bit less than I hate his alternative."

Richard Palmer45 said:Welcome to the real world... I guess this is just how we Americans are... like people say, we basically handed over our souls to whoever is leading us; you could do just about anything to us and we’d just stay quiet... take cigarette prices, for example—they're some of the highest in the Western world right now...

That’s why all our bright minds head overseas... and not just to join a diaspora, but to actually move away for good... and you only ever hear about them when they make it big...
The rest of them, whether it’s your buddy, your neighbor, or whoever else... it always boils down to shouting "down with the Democrats"... even though half of those same people probably bought their houses or apartments back in the day using loans from the old regime that they paid off for next to nothing... maybe just a few thousand bucks...

Says blade ri—this absolute clown who starts the thread while having "For a New America" right there in his signaturehttp://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/nova-america

🤣 🤣

nimblemarlin17 said:It’s not some myth, it’s reality. What do you think my grandma votes for? An uncle or a nephew rolls up and says, "Hey Grandma, I'll do this for you so you don't have to walk down to the polls." Just guess which party gets all those votes.

Then there’s the military. Back in the day, I was in a friendly weekend soccer league with a proud US Armed Forces colonel. He wasn't ashamed to talk openly in the pub about how they used to rig hundreds of votes for the Republican Party and how much it sucks now because it's become way harder.

When you hear things like that firsthand, they stop being urban legends or fairy tales. Tens of thousands of votes across America go to the Republican Party that way.

hmm, well, my cousin just registered my late grandfather for the Democratic Party... what's the penalty for that?

And who else would we vote for besides the Democratic Party? Honestly, the whole Democratic Party and Joe Biden situation just makes me sick. The Progressive Party isn't any better either; I’m pretty sure there are some real crooks hiding in their ranks. At this point, the Republican Party isn't even that bad, since everyone else is way worse. I guess we just have to hope that someone new and actually competent shows up one day. Then, and only then, will we have a reason to vote.

George Morgan3 said:Says blade ri—this absolute clown who starts the thread while having "For a New America" right there in his signaturehttp://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/nova-america

🤣 🤣

I suppose things might actually be better under a new democratic Soviet Union than they are in the current American republic.

fadedangler said:It looks to me like the country is just sinking further into trouble. The Republican Party seems to be getting more corrupt by the day, and honestly, Sanders can't seem to get anything right. It feels like you aren't even allowed to speak your mind if you disagree with the administration. Sanders acts like he owns the place—he could probably pull off a full dictatorship if he really wanted to, since he can basically arrest whoever he feels like. The only thing stopping him is that we don't have Gulags here yet.
So, I have to ask you guys:
Why are you still sticking by Sanders? I mean, has he completely brainwashed everyone, or is there something else going on here?

People stick with the Republican Party because they are tied to them through various Interest Groups. It’s mostly those who profit personally from the party's influence. They couldn't care less about the people or the nation; their only priority is lining their own pockets—and everyone else's, since the theft is constant.
It is a depressing thought, but it seems much of the public is complicit, repeatedly casting votes for the thieves within the Republican Party.☕
As the old saying goes: you are known by the company you keep.☕

amberscout192 said:And who else would we vote for besides the Democratic Party? Honestly, the whole Democratic Party and Joe Biden situation just makes me sick. The Progressive Party isn't any better either; I’m pretty sure there are some real crooks hiding in their ranks. At this point, the Republican Party isn't even that bad, since everyone else is way worse. I guess we just have to hope that someone new and actually competent shows up one day. Then, and only then, will we have a reason to vote.

It isn't the Democratic Party making you sick; it's just that you're getting plenty of tangible benefits from the Republican Party, so spare us the lecture.

brightbison15 said:Look, I’m highly educated too. Three degrees under my belt. But frankly, I’m embarrassed to say who I work for or how I got there. I don't quite follow your logic. Every person I know in the Republican Party, or even those who vote for them, does it out of pure self-interest. It's about getting a job through a connection, rigging a contract... not to mention the outright extortion. I haven't met a single Republican voter who actually thinks the party is "good" just for the sake of being good...

Must be nice to actually know someone who votes Republican. Out in the Midwest, they win elections constantly, but the second politics comes up in conversation, nobody will admit they voted for them. Even local party officials won't own it; they always make some excuse like, "Yeah, I had to."
When you live in a society full of petty thieves, where almost every family has someone living off an undeserved pension, and it feels like you can't find anyone over 38 who isn't retired... well, can you really expect anyone else to take power?

Honestly, why even act surprised? We all know Americans can be pretty clueless sometimes... I mean, you've got guys like former governors treating the state treasury like their own personal piggy bank, and people still out there cheering them on! 👏 🙏