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What do you make of someone who openly calls themselves evil?

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Participants John Cruz4ARonald Cox52hollowtinker18Terry Anderson71feraltrucker5Zachary Patel6shadowtrucker18Rebecca Sanders2Donna Wood52rapidgull3Jerry Martinez5Andrew Kim87slypuma17crimsongull20Bryan Rodriguez2Drew Bennettironstag16feralhound55Elizabeth Doyle5
Jerry Martinez5 Jerry Martinez5 Regular
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#21 ·
legi0nar said:HE’S CHARMING! That’s why he drives me crazy—there's this warmth there, but then there's this underlying darkness, an absolute chill when he looks at you like that, brrrr... And now he's reading this, probably just soaking up the fact that we're dissecting him! (He knows I started this thread because he knows it's me, legionar)
He's pretty tragic, I think...
He's 15.

Tragic, charming, smart kid. 👍

Ha, I used to practice those kinds of stares in front of the mirror until I shocked everyone I met, and I regularly had the LAPD pull me over just for ID checks 👍
and it wasn't even out of spite. I just wanted people to get the hell away from me 🙈

A bad person will never admit they're actually bad. Nah, they'll just pretend to be as wholesome as a Sunday morning in the Midwest 👎
Jerry Martinez5 Jerry Martinez5 Regular
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#22 ·
John Cruz4 said:I was inclined to agree with that sentiment myself! Or rather, I thought so at first glance. However, I must disagree; he has delved far too deeply into this obsession, becoming quite lost in the weeds! That is precisely why his perspective seems so irrational.
Furthermore, one does not typically begin experiencing puberty at the age of nine, does one?

It isn't crazy. Just name a few bands he actually listens to. I bet he isn't exactly vibing to Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber.😁
John Cruz4 John Cruz4 MemberOP
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#23 ·
Jerry Martinez5 said:It isn't crazy. Just name a few bands he actually listens to. I bet he isn't exactly vibing to Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber.😁

Hip Hop🤣
Yes, Hip Hop
But he listens to metal, techno—honestly, everything, EVERYTHING.

The issue isn't whether he picked this up from a band or some online trend; the real problem is that he genuinely seems malicious. He goes out of his way to act evil, even if it's an act, because he wants to destroy any sense of goodness. And yet, occasionally, he can be quite decent himself! Perhaps he lies, but when someone makes such claims about their own character, doesn't that suggest there might be some underlying psychological issue at play?
Andrew Kim87 Andrew Kim87 Member
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#24 ·
John Cruz4 said:Hip Hop🤣
Yes, Hip Hop
But he listens to metal, techno—honestly, everything, EVERYTHING.

The issue isn't whether he picked this up from a band or some online trend; the real problem is that he genuinely seems malicious. He goes out of his way to act evil, even if it's an act, because he wants to destroy any sense of goodness. And yet, occasionally, he can be quite decent himself! Perhaps he lies, but when someone makes such claims about their own character, doesn't that suggest there might be some underlying psychological issue at play?

Nah, he's just being fake.
shadowtrucker18 shadowtrucker18 Active Member
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#25 ·
I suppose you should just let the kid grow up on their own.
John Cruz4 John Cruz4 MemberOP
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#26 ·
Andrew Kim87 said:Nah, he's just being fake.

And that is certainly within the realm of possibility.
Honestly, does anyone actually believe them? They'll spin a tall tale whenever the opportunity arises.
slypuma17 slypuma17 Active Member
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#27 ·
Someone who actually admits they’re a bad person—assuming they aren't just lying to themselves—at least possesses a shred of honesty.

And honestly, in this day and age, that's saying something.
crimsongull20 crimsongull20 Active Member
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#28 ·
shadowtrucker18 said:I suppose I’m the villain here. People tend to be rather unkind, and since I don't exactly fit the mold of a saint, well... that's just how it goes, I guess.


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crimsongull20 crimsongull20 Active Member
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#29 ·
Jerry Martinez5 said:Tragic, charming, smart kid. 👍

Ha, I used to practice those kinds of stares in front of the mirror until I shocked everyone I met, and I regularly had the LAPD pull me over just for ID checks 👍
and it wasn't even out of spite. I just wanted people to get the hell away from me 🙈

A bad person will never admit they're actually bad. Nah, they'll just pretend to be as wholesome as a Sunday morning in the Midwest 👎

In my experience, those types usually call themselves "altruists." 😁
Bryan Rodriguez2 Bryan Rodriguez2 Newcomer
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#30 ·
Or maybe they just want to be themselves.🤷
Drew Bennett Drew Bennett Newcomer
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#31 ·
Let's assume that's relative.
Someone making a claim like that is usually just deeply dissatisfied with themselves—and by extension, the world around them. It doesn't necessarily mean they are fundamentally evil; rather, they are often subconsciously crying out for help to escape their own misery, even if they refuse to actually accept any. You can't really help people like this—they’re too unstable and unpredictable, yet they lack the calculation required to cause harm effectively. They hurt others, or at least perceive themselves as doing so, because they are stuck in a cycle of stagnation—unable to change, lacking any real drive or will to live.
Their worldview is purely pessimistic, leading them to view themselves as a force of evil.
It raises an interesting question: if we were to neutralize someone like this—essentially crushing an already fragile psyche in the name of self-defense—would we then be considered evil ourselves?
I see three distinct levels of malice in people. First, there is the incompetent type (the one described above). Then, there is the superficial kind. Finally, there is the calculated variety. Superficial malice is incredibly common; it stems from deep-seated complexes or personal frustrations and manifests as petty spite, jealousy, or backstabbing. But calculated evil is the most dangerous. These are individuals without moral brakes or a conscience, yet they possess enough intelligence—perhaps even ingenuity—to hide behind a mask. They will never show you their true face. They are fully aware of who they are and what they are capable of; they are narcissists who will manipulate you in ways you won't even detect, all while pursuing ambitions that reach divine heights.
ironstag16 ironstag16 Member
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#32 ·
John Cruz4 said:Oh, please. Me, evil? Not at all!
As I stated, if a person is filled with disappointment and bitterness, does that not imply they possess a certain level of malice?
And she was the one who explicitly labeled herself that way!

He claims he wants to be a vampire; he even told me he would kill his own cat. I suggested to him that if he truly hates everything—and he did state that he loathes experiencing kindness or love—then he is either a masochist for wanting to feel good, which he countered by saying he enjoys the suffering of others, or he is simply profoundly unhappy and seeking attention. He went on to tell me how he would destroy the entire world if he weren't headed straight to prison.

Precisely! He isn't looking for justification...
I intend to try and help him... That is why I associate with him; he is indeed a malicious soul.


Honestly, you hit the nail on the head. If he’s your friend and he’s clearly crying out for attention, then give him that support. Even if it sounds like typical teenage angst, the fact that he opened up to you about wanting to kill his cat means there's real weight behind this conversation. 🙂

John Cruz4 said:Oh, please. Me, evil? Not at all!
As I stated, if a person is filled with disappointment and bitterness, does that not imply they possess a certain level of malice?
And she was the one who explicitly labeled herself that way!

He claims he wants to be a vampire; he even told me he would kill his own cat. I suggested to him that if he truly hates everything—and he did state that he loathes experiencing kindness or love—then he is either a masochist for wanting to feel good, which he countered by saying he enjoys the suffering of others, or he is simply profoundly unhappy and seeking attention. He went on to tell me how he would destroy the entire world if he weren't headed straight to prison.

Precisely! He isn't looking for justification...
I intend to try and help him... That is why I associate with him; he is indeed a malicious soul.

Let's be real, who wouldn't? 😬
feralhound55 feralhound55 Active Member
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#33 ·
An ocean of insecurity—a pyramid of fear—little seeds of evil. It’s hard to put into words... what I mean is that this kind of malice stems from uncertainty, from being lost, from that desperate search for identity. Why does a dog bark? Because it's terrified—even if it doesn't look that way to us.

Anyway, he’s still incredibly young... so there's no point in condemning him just yet. Give him some attention, but don't let him drain you dry—it's better for your own sanity.
Ronald Cox52 Ronald Cox52 Newcomer
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#34 ·
Kid doesn't have a clue what real life looks like. I’d take all that "weltschmerz" nonsense and put it toward some actual manual labor
We were just teenagers ourselves, but we lived through the aftermath of a war (and not that long ago)
Maybe he should try surfing the web to see how kids his age are actually surviving in places like Albania or Afghanistan?
John Cruz4 John Cruz4 MemberOP
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#35 ·
Bryan Rodriguez2 said:Or maybe they just want to be themselves.🤷

Give him a warm welcome!
He joined this forum and registered for the sole purpose of declaring his desire to live authentically.

Hmmmm, but could it be that one chooses to be malicious precisely because they fear their own true nature? Does evil not exist as a rejection of love, unity, and nobility?
Perhaps there is a deficiency of love in such a person, or perhaps finding such love is simply too difficult for them.

P.S. He defaced a textbook by marking it with black ink, cutting through the pages with a compass, and burning the images of Jesus Christ and Buddha. 🙂
Bryan Rodriguez2 Bryan Rodriguez2 Newcomer
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#36 ·
Ronald Cox52 said:Kid doesn't have a clue what real life looks like. I’d take all that "weltschmerz" nonsense and put it toward some actual manual labor
We were just teenagers ourselves, but we lived through the aftermath of a war (and not that long ago)
Maybe he should try surfing the web to see how kids his age are actually surviving in places like Albania or Afghanistan?

It'd probably be easier for them if someone just killed them or they took their own lives.😁
Bryan Rodriguez2 Bryan Rodriguez2 Newcomer
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#37 ·
John Cruz4 said:Give him a warm welcome!
He joined this forum and registered for the sole purpose of declaring his desire to live authentically.

Hmmmm, but could it be that one chooses to be malicious precisely because they fear their own true nature? Does evil not exist as a rejection of love, unity, and nobility?
Perhaps there is a deficiency of love in such a person, or perhaps finding such love is simply too difficult for them.

P.S. He defaced a textbook by marking it with black ink, cutting through the pages with a compass, and burning the images of Jesus Christ and Buddha. 🙂

Dude, seriously, quit with the act.
Besides, Buddha really gets on my nerves. I can't stand his preaching.😁
And that wasn't even "evil"! Trust me, I could be way worse.😂
shadowtrucker18 shadowtrucker18 Active Member
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#38 ·
John Cruz4 said:Give him a warm welcome!
He joined this forum and registered for the sole purpose of declaring his desire to live authentically.

Hmmmm, but could it be that one chooses to be malicious precisely because they fear their own true nature? Does evil not exist as a rejection of love, unity, and nobility?
Perhaps there is a deficiency of love in such a person, or perhaps finding such love is simply too difficult for them.

P.S. He defaced a textbook by marking it with black ink, cutting through the pages with a compass, and burning the images of Jesus Christ and Buddha. 🙂

I suppose I should have just asked if this was all just typical teenage rebellion? ☕
Elizabeth Doyle5 Elizabeth Doyle5 Newcomer
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#39 ·
John Cruz4 said:Give him a warm welcome!
He joined this forum and registered for the sole purpose of declaring his desire to live authentically.

Hmmmm, but could it be that one chooses to be malicious precisely because they fear their own true nature? Does evil not exist as a rejection of love, unity, and nobility?
Perhaps there is a deficiency of love in such a person, or perhaps finding such love is simply too difficult for them.

P.S. He defaced a textbook by marking it with black ink, cutting through the pages with a compass, and burning the images of Jesus Christ and Buddha. 🙂

life is like a matchstick—or if you ask me, more like a cigarette. You smoke through it, and once it's spent, well, damn, it becomes nothing or everything at once. Even while it was burning, it was just smoke rising up and vanishing into thin air☕
shadowtrucker18 shadowtrucker18 Active Member
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#40 ·
It seems you all have quite a few teenagers populating this forum lately. ☕

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