The Frog and the Scorpion

A frog meets a Scorpion by the edge of a lake. The Scorpion asks the frog:
"So, any chance you're heading across?"
"I am," the frog replies, keeping a safe distance. "Why do you ask?"
"Well, could you give me a lift too?"
"Do I look stupid to you? You'd sting me!"
"Honestly, you're being naive if you think that. Why would I sting you just to drown myself?! Just carry me across, and maybe I can return the favor sometime. Say, protecting you from snakes, hawks, or other predators!"[
The frog realizes she might have been too cautious and decides to give the Scorpion the ride she asked for. She thinks to herself:
"Maybe having a Scorpion as a friend isn't such a bad idea. Who knows, I might actually need her help one day!"
The Scorpion climbs onto the frog's broad back, and our two heroes set off on their long journey across the deep lake...
...Right when they hit the halfway point, where the water is at its deepest, the frog feels a sharp sting in her lower back. She turns around to see the Scorpion clumsily trying to hide her stinger from view.
"You crazy thing, now we're both going to die!" the frog screams, unable to believe what just happened.
"Sorry, but dammit! I know better, but I can't fight my own nature..."
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Question for the group: Are you the frog or the Scorpion?

Ronald Rogers27

One of my favorite little psychological observations...

It’s perfect for those people who live by the excuse "well, what can I do if this is just how I am"—using it to justify being an egoist, cheating, being aggressive, or just plain unreliable. It also goes for their partners, who put up with all that toxic behavior because they feel stuck with someone like that... 🙄

As one of my favorite singers once put it: "...if you don't want to change, people will only love you out of pity."

I suppose I am the kind of frog that would never dream of associating with a Scorpion.

I’ve come to believe that there is no such thing as a "pure" frog or a "pure" Scorpion.
We all play the part of the frog to some people and the Scorpion to others—just as everyone else we encounter shifts between being our friend and being our adversary depending on the day. 😉

LOL, honestly though, people are human specifically because we aren't part of the Animal Kingdom... I don't even know what kind of shallow psycho would say that...

I was never really a fan of that story either. 😁

Whether you liked it or not, that’s just how things go. That's life. Honestly, life is just the Animal Kingdom, and this story proves it. 🤷

Lately, I’ve felt like a frog caught in a bad spot—except even the Scorpions weren't being kind to me. Sometimes a frog doesn't have a choice but to dive into the middle of a lake, risking drowning just to escape the grip of Scorpions and leeches sucking its blood dry.

Life has turned into this massive labyrinth where it's nothing but pure survival... If you aren't the hunter, you're automatically the prey. Sometimes there just isn't a choice. 😁

Well... 😛

Ronald Rogers27

Ronald Rogers27 said:Whether you liked it or not, that’s just how things go. That's life. Honestly, life is just the Animal Kingdom, and this story proves it. 🤷

Lately, I’ve felt like a frog caught in a bad spot—except even the Scorpions weren't being kind to me. Sometimes a frog doesn't have a choice but to dive into the middle of a lake, risking drowning just to escape the grip of Scorpions and leeches sucking its blood dry.

Life has turned into this massive labyrinth where it's nothing but pure survival... If you aren't the hunter, you're automatically the prey. Sometimes there just isn't a choice. 😁

Well... 😛

Ronald Rogers27

See, there's the catch—there actually is an alternative. In other words, there's a choice. A frog doesn't have to die just because it's in a Scorpion's nature to kill... That's why people hate this narrative—because we have options. Personally, I dig it; it shows how some people are just incapable of taking responsibility for themselves—too gullible, too naive, and they pay dearly for it. Spirituality is about accepting diversity, even the painful stuff, but acceptance and self-sacrifice are two different things. You can accept someone for who they are without giving them a free pass to hurt you. So, the frog could have dove. And it should have.

feralhound55 said:See, there's the catch—there actually is an alternative. In other words, there's a choice. A frog doesn't have to die just because it's in a Scorpion's nature to kill... That's why people hate this narrative—because we have options. Personally, I dig it; it shows how some people are just incapable of taking responsibility for themselves—too gullible, too naive, and they pay dearly for it. Spirituality is about accepting diversity, even the painful stuff, but acceptance and self-sacrifice are two different things. You can accept someone for who they are without giving them a free pass to hurt you. So, the frog could have dove. And it should have.

I agree with the sentiment, but everyone handles things differently. Some people just can't let go, some can, and others just put their faith in Life and trust the process. 🤷

It really comes down to probability. Not every frog acts like a typical frog, just like you can't expect every Scorpion to act like a textbook Scorpion.

(if you're a frog, you either take the leap or you don't)

Ronald Rogers27

Ronald Rogers27 said:I agree with the sentiment, but everyone handles things differently. Some people just can't let go, some can, and others just put their faith in Life and trust the process. 🤷

It really comes down to probability. Not every frog acts like a typical frog, just like you can't expect every Scorpion to act like a textbook Scorpion.

(if you're a frog, you either take the leap or you don't)

Ronald Rogers27

And then there are the ones who masquerade as toads when they are, in truth, Scorpions.
The reverse is true as well.

What’s with all this nationalist nonsense Scorpion 🙄

In America, people call it a Scorpion—but honestly, let's just ignore the complete lack of grammatical sense here. I happen to be a Scorpion myself, and frankly, I can't stand slimy creatures... which includes frogs. I’d never trust a frog with my life; they're just fundamentally untrustworthy little things 😠

crimsonhound80 said:What’s with all this nationalist nonsense Scorpion 🙄

In America, people call it a Scorpion—but honestly, let's just ignore the complete lack of grammatical sense here. I happen to be a Scorpion myself, and frankly, I can't stand slimy creatures... which includes frogs. I’d never trust a frog with my life; they're just fundamentally untrustworthy little things 😠

Technically, a Scorpion is the male, while a scorpion is the female. 😁

let’s just overlook the lack of basic grammar here; I am a Scorpion myself, and I have no patience for slimy creatures—like frogs, for instance. You could never trust a frog with your life; they simply aren't reliable types.😠

Brilliant. 👍

Frogs are just dim-witted. They don't trip you up out of malice; it’s just their default setting. 😁

slypuma17 said:And then there are the ones who masquerade as toads when they are, in truth, Scorpions.
The reverse is true as well.

We all come in different flavors. Mimicry is just part of the Animal Kingdom, and honestly, it's part of being human too. In my experience, I've run into way more people pretending to be Scorpions when they're really just frogs.

The ones doing the opposite are much rarer, but man, they can cause a lot more damage. 🙄

Ronald Rogers27

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Ronald Rogers27 said:A frog meets a Scorpion by the edge of a lake. The Scorpion asks the frog:
"So, any chance you're heading across?"
"I am," the frog replies, keeping a safe distance. "Why do you ask?"
"Well, could you give me a lift too?"
"Do I look stupid to you? You'd sting me!"
"Honestly, you're being naive if you think that. Why would I sting you just to drown myself?! Just carry me across, and maybe I can return the favor sometime. Say, protecting you from snakes, hawks, or other predators!"[
The frog realizes she might have been too cautious and decides to give the Scorpion the ride she asked for. She thinks to herself:
"Maybe having a Scorpion as a friend isn't such a bad idea. Who knows, I might actually need her help one day!"
The Scorpion climbs onto the frog's broad back, and our two heroes set off on their long journey across the deep lake...
...Right when they hit the halfway point, where the water is at its deepest, the frog feels a sharp sting in her lower back. She turns around to see the Scorpion clumsily trying to hide her stinger from view.
"You crazy thing, now we're both going to die!" the frog screams, unable to believe what just happened.
"Sorry, but dammit! I know better, but I can't fight my own nature..."
_______

Question for the group: Are you the frog or the Scorpion?

Ronald Rogers27

2.

I guess I could actually be useful to you once in a while.

3.

maybe I'll actually need her help at some point!"

4.

... the frog shrieked, unable to wrap her head around what had just happened.

😵

The lesson here: self-interest clouds everything.

Sandra Parker3 said:1.

2.

I guess I could actually be useful to you once in a while.

3.

maybe I'll actually need her help at some point!"

4.

... the frog shrieked, unable to wrap her head around what had just happened.

😵

The lesson here: self-interest clouds everything.

You hit the nail on the head there.

That frog isn't quite as innocent or "oblivious" as she’d like to pretend.
She didn't catch that Scorpion because she was being naive; she did it because she thought she could outsmart the situation.

She underestimated the Scorpion, assuming it was less clever than she was.

And well, that kind of arrogance usually comes with a price.

slypuma17 said:You hit the nail on the head there.

That frog isn't quite as innocent or "oblivious" as she’d like to pretend.
She didn't catch that Scorpion because she was being naive; she did it because she thought she could outsmart the situation.

She underestimated the Scorpion, assuming it was less clever than she was.

And well, that kind of arrogance usually comes with a price.

Think back to that old fable about the tortoise and the hare—except in this version, the tortoise actually wins. How are you supposed to race against hares when you’re just an average tortoise? 🤷

The whole thing with the bee and the Scorpion is a massive lesson. It's like my work with alligators. Some of them can practically fly, some are constantly snapping at you, and others are just dead to the world during their winter sleep. I guess the secret to getting along with them is knowing who's looking out for whom.

When you're dealing with flying alligators, you better learn how to fly too. If they're snapping, you might have to snap back. And if they're sleeping? For heaven's sake, just leave them alone. 🙏

In relationships like that, you only get one chance to mess up. 🙄

Ronald Rogers27

I am a frog who has been stung a hundred times over, yet I have always maintained my faith in the goodness of humanity—and I continue to believe, even if that belief eventually costs me everything.

John Cruz4 said:I am a frog who has been stung a hundred times over, yet I have always maintained my faith in the goodness of humanity—and I continue to believe, even if that belief eventually costs me everything.

It feels just like that same gut feeling you get when you put all your faith in Love... John Cruz4, do you really think today's world is built on genuine kindness, or is it all just self-interest at the end of the day? 🤷

This story was written to show how interest actually drives things and the hidden dangers lurking in that game... Don't you think graveyards are full of frogs that IPAK believed in goodness until the very end?

(On the bright side, those graveyards are also packed with drowned Scorpion...) 👍

Ronald Rogers27

Ronald Rogers27 said:It feels just like that same gut feeling you get when you put all your faith in Love... John Cruz4, do you really think today's world is built on genuine kindness, or is it all just self-interest at the end of the day? 🤷

This story was written to show how interest actually drives things and the hidden dangers lurking in that game... Don't you think graveyards are full of frogs that IPAK believed in goodness until the very end?

(On the bright side, those graveyards are also packed with drowned Scorpion...) 👍

Ronald Rogers27

😁 😉

Is destruction truly woven into the very fabric of human nature? Or am I perhaps overstating the case?

I suppose I should address what shadowtrucker18 mentioned earlier. It’s an interesting perspective, though perhaps a bit narrow in its scope, if I may say so. There is a certain logic to it, I guess, but one might argue that we aren't looking at the full picture here. Maybe.

Ronald Rogers27 said:Think back to that old fable about the tortoise and the hare—except in this version, the tortoise actually wins. How are you supposed to race against hares when you’re just an average tortoise? 🤷

The whole thing with the bee and the Scorpion is a massive lesson. It's like my work with alligators. Some of them can practically fly, some are constantly snapping at you, and others are just dead to the world during their winter sleep. I guess the secret to getting along with them is knowing who's looking out for whom.

When you're dealing with flying alligators, you better learn how to fly too. If they're snapping, you might have to snap back. And if they're sleeping? For heaven's sake, just leave them alone. 🙏

In relationships like that, you only get one chance to mess up. 🙄

Ronald Rogers27

That isn't even the core issue, really. The real headache is figuring out how to actually explain to them which side they ought to be taking. In every single experiment we’ve run up to this point, everyone just sort of drifted off toward their own respective sides, completely indifferent to the direction we were trying to steer them. I guess it's more of a communication hurdle than anything else, maybe.

I suppose there comes a point where one has to accept that risk is an inherent part of life—like the moment a turtle actually decides to snap at a rabbit. That isn’t exactly something you could just brush off as trivial. And then, naturally, you’d have the rabbit bolting under the bed, disappearing into some dark corner where, frankly, not even the most determined soul could ever hope to coax it out.

🤷