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Progress or just spoiled kids?

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briskskipper71 briskskipper71 Member
27 messages
joined Sep 2008
#141 ·
amberfox4 said:I am inclined to agree with you on most counts. Yes, children need affection, but we must be careful not to indulge them to the point of spoiling them, as doing so does them a massive disservice in the long run. It often results in adults who are fundamentally unhappy because they grew up incapable of handling the basic friction of life. If a parent caves every time a child throws a tantrum on the floor of a Target, or fails to establish any semblance of boundaries, how can we expect that child to cope when they encounter a world that doesn't bend to their whims? Whether it is in a professional environment, a classroom, a relationship, or a marriage, life will eventually say "no." True love involves setting those necessary boundaries and actually preparing a child to face reality.

I really have to quote this post because I agree with you 100%—I’ve been obsessing over this topic for a few days now and finally felt like I had to say something. I was lucky because my mom didn't "love" me by just watching my every move and handing over her credit card; instead, she worked hard to teach both me and my sister how to face the temptations of the outside world in the simplest ways possible. And honestly, we’ve both handled it pretty well, depending on our personalities, I guess. Since I was not even three years old, I learned that pointing at something doesn't mean I get it, even though we could have easily afforded more than the neighbors. But hey, nobody can have everything they want—as income grows, so do wants and needs. It’s better for a child to realize early on that they can't always get everything they desire, so they learn the value of things and actually enjoy what they have. Of course, I’m not saying kids should take a vow of poverty or anything! Not at all! But everything should be earned through effort rather than emotional blackmail. The most common version of that is screaming, which most parents cave to, and then they end up doing a huge disservice to their kid.
I will never forget two specific situations involving my school buddy's sister. It was back in the mid-90s, during a time when people were just struggling to put food on the table. I went over to his place to work on math homework and study for our high school graduation exams. That day, I had made this solemn decision to skip the graduation trip organized by the school, because I figured it was better for my parents to fix the broken windows in our house than for me to blow money we barely had for essentials 🙂
When I walked into my friend's house, it was total chaos. His younger sister was lying on the floor crying—a complete tragedy. Want to guess why? She wanted a pair of Levi's jeans that cost about $40 back then. It wasn't that she didn't have pants—she obviously did—it was just that her current ones weren't Levi's 🙄 And yeah, she got those jeans, along with countless other things before and after, which is the saddest part: she never actually enjoyed any of it because she was always obsessing over the next thing she "needed." I ran into her again more than ten years later. We were traveling on an Amtrak train, and she was calling her parents from the aisle, crying on the phone and begging them to wire her $50 immediately. It was the exact same scenario as the jeans, except this time it involved drugs. Her own mother confirmed it to me. Poor thing, she still doesn't realize she was just helping her daughter destroy herself. I guess the road to hell really is paved with good intentions.
Look, I'm not a fan of physical punishment, but I truly think that girl's life would have been a lot better if, instead of those Levi's, she had been disciplined properly. 😉
Nicole Allen10 Nicole Allen10 Active Member
63 messages
joined Feb 2009
#142 ·
I've never actually done that before.
shadowtrucker18 shadowtrucker18 Active Member
143 messages
joined Nov 2008
#143 ·
hannah3 said:Excuse me? 😕I mean, really?

Well, I suppose that’s what happens when you actually enjoy playing as the Border Patrol and mistake a mediocre game for a good one, even though it clearly isn't.😳
Nicole Allen10 Nicole Allen10 Active Member
63 messages
joined Feb 2009
#144 ·
hannah3 said:Watch your mouth; you can't just go around talking like that on this forum.

What do you mean "watch my mouth"? She simply said she isn't a fan of the border patrol. It seems like some people just can't handle the fact that someone might actually dislike a certain way things are run.
Kenneth Martin Kenneth Martin Newcomer
5 messages
joined Jun 2008
#145 ·
feralhound55 said:You’ve probably seen the headlines lately about parents complaining because their kids have to sit in classrooms hitting 90 degrees without any AC.

WTF???

I won't even get started on what it was like for me back in the early '90s—walking into crumbling schools with basically nothing. We all know how rough our school conditions used to be.

The real question is: Have we gone overboard with coddling kids? Do they have too much freedom and way too little responsibility? Or am I just starting to sound like my own parents with the whole "back in my day" routine?

More importantly, does this kind of "pampering" have anything to do with the rise in drug use, promiscuity, or even school shootings?

And why is there so little supervision these days? I’m not advocating for physical or psychological abuse, or locking kids in their rooms—I’m just wondering if, as a society, we haven't let things slide a bit too far.

And honestly, why wouldn't we apply those exact same arguments and demands to adults as well?
Honestly, if you strip away all the legal jargon and societal noise, the only real distinction between an eleven-year-old and a grown adult is that the kid hasn't had enough time to collect life lessons yet and, predictably, possesses significantly fewer rights.
Honestly, when it comes to emotional maturity and sheer intellectual horsepower, these kids are basically our equals.
Eric White10 Eric White10 Member
18 messages
joined Aug 2008
#146 ·
briskskipper71 said:I really have to quote this post because I agree with you 100%—I’ve been obsessing over this topic for a few days now and finally felt like I had to say something. I was lucky because my mom didn't "love" me by just watching my every move and handing over her credit card; instead, she worked hard to teach both me and my sister how to face the temptations of the outside world in the simplest ways possible. And honestly, we’ve both handled it pretty well, depending on our personalities, I guess. Since I was not even three years old, I learned that pointing at something doesn't mean I get it, even though we could have easily afforded more than the neighbors. But hey, nobody can have everything they want—as income grows, so do wants and needs. It’s better for a child to realize early on that they can't always get everything they desire, so they learn the value of things and actually enjoy what they have. Of course, I’m not saying kids should take a vow of poverty or anything! Not at all! But everything should be earned through effort rather than emotional blackmail. The most common version of that is screaming, which most parents cave to, and then they end up doing a huge disservice to their kid.
I will never forget two specific situations involving my school buddy's sister. It was back in the mid-90s, during a time when people were just struggling to put food on the table. I went over to his place to work on math homework and study for our high school graduation exams. That day, I had made this solemn decision to skip the graduation trip organized by the school, because I figured it was better for my parents to fix the broken windows in our house than for me to blow money we barely had for essentials 🙂
When I walked into my friend's house, it was total chaos. His younger sister was lying on the floor crying—a complete tragedy. Want to guess why? She wanted a pair of Levi's jeans that cost about $40 back then. It wasn't that she didn't have pants—she obviously did—it was just that her current ones weren't Levi's 🙄 And yeah, she got those jeans, along with countless other things before and after, which is the saddest part: she never actually enjoyed any of it because she was always obsessing over the next thing she "needed." I ran into her again more than ten years later. We were traveling on an Amtrak train, and she was calling her parents from the aisle, crying on the phone and begging them to wire her $50 immediately. It was the exact same scenario as the jeans, except this time it involved drugs. Her own mother confirmed it to me. Poor thing, she still doesn't realize she was just helping her daughter destroy herself. I guess the road to hell really is paved with good intentions.
Look, I'm not a fan of physical punishment, but I truly think that girl's life would have been a lot better if, instead of those Levi's, she had been disciplined properly. 😉

I’ve always felt that kids really just need a foundation of genuine love and honesty from their parents, rather than being met with physical discipline.
Chris Watson3 Chris Watson3 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2008
#147 ·
Eric White10 said:I’ve always felt that kids really just need a foundation of genuine love and honesty from their parents, rather than being met with physical discipline.

What kind of "honesty" are you even talking about? Are you kidding me? Of course kids need love, obviously, but I’m certainly not going to sit here and let someone tell me that giving a kid a smack on the backside when they mess up is some kind of crime. People act like it's sacrilege or child abuse, and frankly, it's ridiculous. Every time I turn on the TV and see Lily Flanders or whoever she is preaching, it makes my skin crawl. She talks such nonsense that even teenagers don't know how to respect their own parents anymore. I have a friend whose kid constantly threatens to call Child Protective Services every time he gets grounded—it’s absurd. Is that supposed to be normal now? Kids today are definitely five times more spoiled than they used to be.
Nicole Campbell7 Nicole Campbell7 Newcomer
1 message
joined Sep 2008
#148 ·
What are we even debating here?
If they mess up, punish them—simple as that. If they actually do something right, give them some credit and reward them.
People don't really change, I guess... honestly, every generation is pretty much the same as the one before it.
Look, I’m not out here advocating for beatings or anything extreme like that, but there should be some level of respect for authority—you know, knowing who's in charge so kids aren't just constantly trying to blackmail their own parents.
And regarding those Western countries people always talk about? I don't think they're quite sane. Sure, they have all these rights and social services and whatever, but those things are meant for kids who are actually being abused, not for kids who just got a firm smack for doing something stupid.😁
Gerald Walker7 Gerald Walker7 Member
17 messages
joined Aug 2008
#149 ·
Elon Musk, also 🙏🙏🙏

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