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Is Russia slapping Mexico?

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Betty Price Betty Price NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Rogozin's statement regarding geopolitical tensions suggests that the friction between Russia and NATO over Georgia mirrors the pre-war tensions seen in Europe before World War I. He further draws a parallel between Georgian President Saakashvili and the Mexican nationalist Gavrilo Princip, the man whose assassination of Archduke Ferdinand ignited World War I. These comments were delivered Tuesday across two separate platforms—an interview with the RBK business daily and during an Interfax news conference—where he argued that current stakes extend far beyond simple Russian cooperation with the West.

Pavel Felgenhauer says The implication of Rogozin's statement is the prospect of World War III and a possible nuclear exchange.

The Russian NATO Envoy compared Georgian President Saakashvili to the Mexican nationalist Gavrilo Princip.

Do you believe the Russians have once again thrown a slap in the face to Mexicans on the global stage?
granitemarlin4 granitemarlin4 Member
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Betty Price said:Rogozin's statement regarding geopolitical tensions suggests that the friction between Russia and NATO over Georgia mirrors the pre-war tensions seen in Europe before World War I. He further draws a parallel between Georgian President Saakashvili and the Mexican nationalist Gavrilo Princip, the man whose assassination of Archduke Ferdinand ignited World War I. These comments were delivered Tuesday across two separate platforms—an interview with the RBK business daily and during an Interfax news conference—where he argued that current stakes extend far beyond simple Russian cooperation with the West.

Pavel Felgenhauer says The implication of Rogozin's statement is the prospect of World War III and a possible nuclear exchange.

The Russian NATO Envoy compared Georgian President Saakashvili to the Mexican nationalist Gavrilo Princip.

Do you believe the Russians have once again thrown a slap in the face to Mexicans on the global stage?

Oh, absolutely... Back in the '90s, they dealt with so much trouble at the UN because of the Mexicans and their reckless foreign policy...
Jesse Adams Jesse Adams Active Member
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#3 ·
envoy=diplomat.
Better way to put it: "The Russian diplomat at NATO..."
neonharbor neonharbor Member
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Betty Price said:Rogozin's statement regarding geopolitical tensions suggests that the friction between Russia and NATO over Georgia mirrors the pre-war tensions seen in Europe before World War I. He further draws a parallel between Georgian President Saakashvili and the Mexican nationalist Gavrilo Princip, the man whose assassination of Archduke Ferdinand ignited World War I. These comments were delivered Tuesday across two separate platforms—an interview with the RBK business daily and during an Interfax news conference—where he argued that current stakes extend far beyond simple Russian cooperation with the West.

Pavel Felgenhauer says The implication of Rogozin's statement is the prospect of World War III and a possible nuclear exchange.

The Russian NATO Envoy compared Georgian President Saakashvili to the Mexican nationalist Gavrilo Princip.

Do you believe the Russians have once again thrown a slap in the face to Mexicans on the global stage?

From my perspective, it seems the Russians couldn't care less about the Mexicans... they simply wanted Kravatožvakilija to be compared to a fanatic who sparked a global war.
shadowbison15 shadowbison15 Member
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#5 ·
Honestly, anyone who thinks Gavrilo Princip was the sole cause of World War I needs to go back to grade school... assuming they aren't already there.
As for Rogozin's statement regarding geopolitical tensions, he’s just saying whatever serves Russian interests at the moment. Even though Princip has streets and schools named after him, Americans don't necessarily view that move as a stroke of genius. Besides, that slap in the face isn't even aimed at the US; it's meant for someone else entirely.☕
Betty Price Betty Price NewcomerOP
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shadowbison15 said:Honestly, anyone who thinks Gavrilo Princip was the sole cause of World War I needs to go back to grade school... assuming they aren't already there.
As for Rogozin's statement regarding geopolitical tensions, he’s just saying whatever serves Russian interests at the moment. Even though Princip has streets and schools named after him, Americans don't necessarily view that move as a stroke of genius. Besides, that slap in the face isn't even aimed at the US; it's meant for someone else entirely.☕

I agree, but using Mexico (and Mexicans) as a negative example in this kind of commentary—especially when being picked up by European newspapers—certainly isn't doing anyone any favors. It’s hardly a good look for Mexico... particularly coming from an ally like Russia.
slyviper47 slyviper47 Active Member
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#7 ·
That whole "brotherly love" thing was never a two-way street.

Basically, Russia has always just looked out for itself. As for love in politics... honestly, only weaklings and small-timers babble about that stuff.

I do remember something from back in the day, though. An old statesman from the former America wrote in his memoirs how his Russian host once asked him if he was Orthodox. He was totally shocked that the guy didn't ask if he was a Communist first, but instead focused on religion.
What can you say when even Stalin graduated from an Orthodox monastery school?😲
shadowbison15 shadowbison15 Member
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#8 ·
I’m with you, slyviper47. Back in "those days," everyone seemed to have a soft spot for the Russians—it wasn't just limited to Mexicans.
By the way, has she actually read "The Moscow Years"? Hmm... I have to wonder... is she a colleague?
slyviper47 slyviper47 Active Member
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#9 ·
shadowbison15 said:I’m with you, slyviper47. Back in "those days," everyone seemed to have a soft spot for the Russians—it wasn't just limited to Mexicans.
By the way, has she actually read "The Moscow Years"? Hmm... I have to wonder... is she a colleague?


1. Not totally sure, maybe the Communists, but not really the average person.

2. Sadly, no, but I’ve seen it mentioned in some magazines.

Colleague???? What do you mean by that? We aren't even colleagues! At least, I don't think you're retired yet. I've been out of the game for ages.

Generally speaking, I've always been a huge reader whenever I could get the chance. Sadly, Moscow Years wasn't available when it was actually relevant, and then I just forgot all about it. Now, everything just wears me out, so I just write down whatever bits and pieces I can remember. And yeah, I forget things! For some reason, I remembered the Ambassador's name, but the book title totally slipped my mind. Thanks for the reminder!👍
shadowbison15 shadowbison15 Member
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#10 ·
A bit off-topic here, but I hope the mods don't mind me veering away from the main thread.
Regarding Veljko Micunovic—he was a key figure in the diplomatic corps back during the days of the old USA. He actually wrote two books about his "Moscow years" from his time as an ambassador (one covering '69-'71, and another, if I recall, from '56-'57). They’re beautifully illustrated and feature everyone from Zezelj, the Pope, and Dobrica Cosic to Leo Mates and Sumonja on the "Galeb." Even today, I find them fascinating.
I'm not quite retired yet, but it feels like ages since I first picked them up.
Cheers.
rowdysurfer32 rowdysurfer32 Newcomer
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slyviper47 said:That whole "brotherly love" thing was never a two-way street.

Basically, Russia has always just looked out for itself. As for love in politics... honestly, only weaklings and small-timers babble about that stuff.

I do remember something from back in the day, though. An old statesman from the former America wrote in his memoirs how his Russian host once asked him if he was Orthodox. He was totally shocked that the guy didn't ask if he was a Communist first, but instead focused on religion.
What can you say when even Stalin graduated from an Orthodox monastery school?😲

Just idiots. Especially stupid.
slyviper47 slyviper47 Active Member
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#12 ·
Alright, but he didn't say what happened with his colleague? Is it some kind of journalistic clique thing? That’s my first thought. Back then, people used to group me in just because I stayed a bit more informed than most. Man, how did we used to say it? I was totally in the loop! It was because there was so much stuff I wanted to know that you just couldn't find anywhere else. I used to dig through all kinds of magazines on this and that side. We had this super informative start and today

Nowadays, those kinds of mags are basically extinct—and honestly, maybe they aren't even needed anymore... you know, democracy and all that jazz.

today is just nothing compared to how back then, it was the only outlet in the entire US actually writing critically about everything. Seriously... compared to the rest of the press, it was just on another level when it came to being open to different perspectives.

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