Multiculturalism...

redcanyon4 said:" SEXUAL REVOLUTION! " Interesting graffiti. E ???
Drake:

Funny how Damian doesn't seem to be 'starting a revolution' against stuff like this.

He can't go after his own people.

And you already know that fascists aren't exactly known for their literacy. 😬

As far as I can tell, "Scaife" is used as a slur against Americans, much like how "American" is used pejoratively by certain groups.

Melissa Richardson3 said:Damian is staying quiet because he doesn't want to offend the only version of multiculturalism he's ever seen.

If they actually took Kane to somewhere like Amsterdam, he might finally realize what true multiculturalism looks like.

He wouldn't realize it for anything. The man is nothing more than a fascist. In my experience, the most extreme fascists are always the ones loudly proclaiming their antifascist credentials. They are professional antifascists through and through.

rapidbison42 said:And there it is—another classic ad hominem. When you run out of things to say about the topic, you start attacking the person. This is the second time you've done it here.
Then you have the nerve to lecture others about their lack of arguments.

Just to remind you what your level of discourse looks like:
you people are pathetic, absolutely bottom-tier, if you're really that much of a natifascist and all that. You're actually scared of an IBM concert?! You miserable excuses for humans who dare to call yourselves San Franciscans!
Like I said, if anyone actually seized power, it would be you lot—just irredentist scum pretending to be anti-fascists, when in reality, in America today, you're the only fascists around.

This is you, my friend. These are your "arguments." Take a breather, man. You're taking this whole conspiracy far too seriously.
Go ask frcha on this thread; ask him how many years we've been clashing on this forum without ever once trading a single insult.

P.S.
This is off-topic, but someone had to tell this guy to cool it. 😁
I'm only 20 points away from a ban, so please bear with me.

Really? Because as far as I'm concerned, when someone else accuses me of "argumentum ad hominem"—even though I don't see how else I'm supposed to write when we're supposedly having a direct "conversation"—it's just frustrating.

P.S.
This is totally off-topic, but I felt like I had to tell the guy to just chill out a bit. 😁
I'm only 20 points away from a ban, so please bear with me.

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I'm only 5 (five) away! I'm with you on this—please, whatever you do, don't give him any points on my account. Thanks.

rapidbison42 said:Meanwhile, Aviv is expanding his footprint with even more developments in Cukrić.
Do we let him? We're supposed to be a melting pot, aren't we? 👍

Thanks for confirming my point about multiculturalism.
Foreigners are moving into coastal towns, and they're settling all over the US.
So, basically, the whole country is multicultural.
Even our favorite spot, California, isn't any different in that regard.

rapidbison42 said:Heh... I can't wait to laugh when it turns out those kids were just being reckless. 🤣

And what about those dozen kids at Thompson's concerts wearing those extremist hats? They're nothing but kids.

Look, we can only really start getting worked up when those kids start shouting actual irredentist slogans. Kids don't even know what fascist rhetoric actually means.

But apparently, we have different standards for the kids showing up to Thompson's shows. According to some, they're all dangerous fascists and bloodthirsty radicals.

rapidbison42 said:Heh... I can't wait to laugh when it turns out those kids were just being reckless. 🤣

Roose, since when did you pick up graffiti? 😲😁😁

All kidding aside.

Actually, the real melting pot in America is New York City. Beyond the massive American majority, you’ve got your Mexicans, Canadians, Albanians, Mexicans, Mexicans, Czechs, Slovaks, Rusyns, Chinese, Japanese...

frozentiger6 said:And what about those dozen kids at Thompson's concerts wearing those extremist hats? They're nothing but kids.

Look, we can only really start getting worked up when those kids start shouting actual irredentist slogans. Kids don't even know what fascist rhetoric actually means.

But apparently, we have different standards for the kids showing up to Thompson's shows. According to some, they're all dangerous fascists and bloodthirsty radicals.

Exactly!
His lack of multicultural perspective shows in how he sees extremists around every corner, even though there wasn't an ultra-nationalist movement in Istria during WWII. There aren't any now either, obviously—not in Istria or anywhere else in America.

It would make more sense to scream about the actual fascists who tried to wipe out local identity in Istria.
But look at this guy; Jakovcic would probably just give the fascists a stern talking-to, while Kajin would be leading an uprising against them.

Melissa Richardson3 said:I’m honestly exhausted by the narrow-minded logic coming from certain individuals, groups, and political parties in California who seem to think they invented the concept of multiculturalism.

Every major city in the world is multicultural. Is that really something we need to debate?
Every single city and region in the US is multicultural. Does anyone actually need proof for that?

In what way is San Francisco more "multicultural" than Washington, D.C., Memphis, St. Louis, or Miami?
Every city or region in this country (not to mention the rest of the world) is a melting pot of different cultures, nationalities, and accents...

What exactly are these narrow-minded parrots from California trying to achieve with this tired, repetitive cliché? Are they just selling smoke to stay in power, or is there something else going on?

P.S. Don't get me wrong—as someone from California, there’s no place I’d rather be than right here at home...

I am uncertain how many different American cities you have actually lived in to feel qualified to pass judgment on them. While it is true that every city is multicultural, the real question lies in the level of tolerance between various nationalities and the genuine respect for one another's heritage required to say a city is truly multicultural in spirit...

I don't believe it's a matter of "selling smoke," because if we are being realistic: while you might see a bomb go off under a car with out-of-state plates in a place like Chicago, you simply wouldn't see that happen here in Pula. There is a higher degree of tolerance here, and far less emphasis placed on whose nationality is whose, let alone any desperate need to flaunt one's identity...

No matter where you travel in America, every corner is undeniably unique. However, once you cross the mountains into this area, it feels as though you have entered a completely different world. There is so much here to take pride in—from the people themselves to the general atmosphere of the region. I fail to see any "smoke" in all of this, unless we are referring to those lovely vistas of Terra Magica...😍

Benjamin Grant6 said:I am uncertain how many different American cities you have actually lived in to feel qualified to pass judgment on them. While it is true that every city is multicultural, the real question lies in the level of tolerance between various nationalities and the genuine respect for one another's heritage required to say a city is truly multicultural in spirit...

I don't believe it's a matter of "selling smoke," because if we are being realistic: while you might see a bomb go off under a car with out-of-state plates in a place like Chicago, you simply wouldn't see that happen here in Pula. There is a higher degree of tolerance here, and far less emphasis placed on whose nationality is whose, let alone any desperate need to flaunt one's identity...

No matter where you travel in America, every corner is undeniably unique. However, once you cross the mountains into this area, it feels as though you have entered a completely different world. There is so much here to take pride in—from the people themselves to the general atmosphere of the region. I fail to see any "smoke" in all of this, unless we are referring to those lovely vistas of Terra Magica...😍

That sounds like a total hallucination to me.😂

rapidbison42 said:Heh... I can't wait to laugh when it turns out those kids were just being reckless. 🤣

They're fools, total fools from Italy. They were driven out by "multiculturalists" like you sixty years ago—anyone who couldn't escape ended up in a foxhole.

The reason you push this local multiculturalism is because your own conscience is dirty. In this part of the country, it's nothing more than forced Italianization.

Melissa Richardson3 said:I’m honestly exhausted by the narrow-minded logic coming from certain individuals, groups, and political parties in California who seem to think they invented the concept of multiculturalism.

Every major city in the world is multicultural. Is that really something we need to debate?
Every single city and region in the US is multicultural. Does anyone actually need proof for that?

In what way is San Francisco more "multicultural" than Washington, D.C., Memphis, St. Louis, or Miami?
Every city or region in this country (not to mention the rest of the world) is a melting pot of different cultures, nationalities, and accents...

What exactly are these narrow-minded parrots from California trying to achieve with this tired, repetitive cliché? Are they just selling smoke to stay in power, or is there something else going on?

P.S. Don't get me wrong—as someone from California, there’s no place I’d rather be than right here at home...

But why does that surprise you?
It is the exact same situation here in Rijeka, where people constantly trumpet about this supposed multiculturalism, liberalism, and that "unique" local atmosphere......

With the added bonus that our politicians love to claim we are a legendary rock city, even though we haven't seen a truly quality band since the days of Laufer & Co. 3... And on the weekends, if you aren't looking for mainstream pop, there is hardly anywhere left to go...

And all of this is used to justify a "unique climate" that is actually quite standard when viewed within a global context...🤣🤣

David Rogers18 said:That sounds like a total hallucination to me.😂

Oh, really? By all means, go ahead and state the exact opposite, and I will gladly confirm it by presenting at least twice as many facts to back up my own position...😉

Benjamin Grant6 said:I am uncertain how many different American cities you have actually lived in to feel qualified to pass judgment on them. While it is true that every city is multicultural, the real question lies in the level of tolerance between various nationalities and the genuine respect for one another's heritage required to say a city is truly multicultural in spirit...

I don't believe it's a matter of "selling smoke," because if we are being realistic: while you might see a bomb go off under a car with out-of-state plates in a place like Chicago, you simply wouldn't see that happen here in Pula. There is a higher degree of tolerance here, and far less emphasis placed on whose nationality is whose, let alone any desperate need to flaunt one's identity...

No matter where you travel in America, every corner is undeniably unique. However, once you cross the mountains into this area, it feels as though you have entered a completely different world. There is so much here to take pride in—from the people themselves to the general atmosphere of the region. I fail to see any "smoke" in all of this, unless we are referring to those lovely vistas of Terra Magica...😍

Exactly. You won't see a bomb dropped under a car with certain out-of-state plates in California. But instead, you'll have Cain using a condescending, dismissive tone when talking about the rest of America from the other side of Mount Rainier. What's the difference? In Chicago, you have people who don't want certain groups around; in California, you have people who don't want Americans around.

Melissa Price6 said:Roose, since when did you pick up graffiti? 😲😁😁

All kidding aside.

Actually, the real melting pot in America is New York City. Beyond the massive American majority, you’ve got your Mexicans, Canadians, Albanians, Mexicans, Mexicans, Czechs, Slovaks, Rusyns, Chinese, Japanese...

Every major metro area is like that 😉

Melissa Richardson3 said:What kind of tolerance exists toward people from other nations or ethnic groups in Chicago, for instance...?

Tolerance is lower there, and you see more frequent instances where skinheads attack someone simply because of their nationality. It’s a larger city, so the tension is higher. You really can't compare a town of fifty thousand people to one of nine hundred thousand...

Melissa Richardson3 said:You say that every single time...
How many people with Mexican plates move to Chicago annually...? Is it 100, 50, 10, 5, 1, or zero?
As for San Francisco, we all know about those two vans that were bombed recently. Should we attribute that to California multiculturalism, or perhaps something else altogether...?

The incident with those two vans happened maybe two months ago, if I recall correctly. I don't remember the final police report, but I highly doubt it was fueled by ethnic hatred—it's more likely some local in California planted a bomb because they had a grudge against someone from the Albanian minority. Regarding Chicago, just two weeks ago, a car with plates from Mexico City exploded; the owner, in an even greater stroke of misfortune, was actually a Chicago resident. Of course, you wouldn't truly understand the climate in Chicago if you haven't lived through it. In the neighborhood where I resided for a significant period, several explosive devices were detonated within a two-week span, undoubtedly due to someone's national identity. As for any other cases, we are left with nothing but media quotes...

Melissa Richardson3 said:Every region is its own little world. That is precisely my point. Whether it is me or you, one might find California to be the most beautiful place. It is only natural for us to be subjective. However, objectively speaking, reality is quite different. There is this manufactured idea of making California a multicultural paradise, when the reality is much more mundane. Depending on the situation, even we in California generalize and claim certain groups are one way or another...

Naturally, one cannot ignore subjectivity or that old adage that "there is no place like home." I could probably name several cities and regions that I find just as beautiful as my own home, purely because of their cultural similarities and shared mentality...

Melissa Richardson3 said:The phrase "beyond Mount Rainier" is a staple of local vernacular... This particular regionalism serves as a direct negation of what people claim to call multiculturalism.

I agree regarding the terminology, though my own perception is shaped quite differently by how others describe things... whether it be tourists or people close to me who have mentioned feeling a sudden shift in atmosphere the moment they emerged from the tunnel, regardless of my own subjective views. After all, foreign media outlets and travel guides frequently compare California to Provence, which speaks volumes...😉

Melissa Richardson3 said:For many, multiculturalism is merely reduced to Californians and Italians... nothing more than that. Everyone else is considered "beyond Mount Rainier," and even that old local saying about how "the machine really did it" remains a common exclamation among that very same group.

That small-town mentality exists everywhere, and frankly, nobody likes outsiders... The way multiculturalism is defined here—this idea of "just Californians and Italians"—is absolute nonsense. If that were true, we would simply be talking about a bicultural society...🤣

Melissa Richardson3 said:Let’s not kid ourselves. Just look at Cain... Even Americans disrupt the social order in Santa Barbara. You surely remember those statements...

You clearly seem embittered by Cain's emergence... 😍 Personally, the man and his political maneuvers don't concern me, especially since the media portrays him as some sort of "class leader," when in reality, who is he, and who can he actually influence?! No one! One shouldn't give much weight to whatever Barkun.com writes on his behalf or anyone else's...

I am not entirely certain about his specific comments regarding Santa Barbara, as I haven't been following every single development so closely. One thing is clear: his voice carries no weight with the municipal authorities in San Francisco, who made their decision not to host the concert based on actual, tangible facts. By coming forward with this belated idea about the concert, the public is once again being misled. If there is a regulation governing public events in the city specifying a deadline by which performers and their managers must submit their programs, then it ought to be respected without exception or debate. I wonder what the reaction would be if this politician had made such a statement in a rural farming community? Likely nothing at all... One could easily observe that in California, people tend to be more hesitant to voice their opinions publicly or act as a unified mass...

Bryan Sanchez86 said:Exactly. You won't see a bomb dropped under a car with certain out-of-state plates in California. But instead, you'll have Cain using a condescending, dismissive tone when talking about the rest of America from the other side of Mount Rainier. What's the difference? In Chicago, you have people who don't want certain groups around; in California, you have people who don't want Americans around.

I am quite unsure why you would assume there are people in California who don't want Americans? Where on earth does that idea come from?

I don't follow all of Cain's speeches, but let's be realistic—there is a vast difference between rhetoric and actual behavior. We live in a country where an American proudly wished everyone a happy Thanksgiving on national television, immediately after behaving in such a heartless, disgusting manner toward the memorial at the Shepherd camp. To make matters worse, people will likely applaud him because they view him as some sort of eccentric, repeating these excuses over and over... but there are no excuses... It seems we ourselves are unwilling to embrace our own identity, perhaps even fearing it...😢

Benjamin Grant6 said:Tolerance is lower there, and you see more frequent instances where skinheads attack someone simply because of their nationality. It’s a larger city, so the tension is higher. You really can't compare a town of fifty thousand people to one of nine hundred thousand...

The incident with those two vans happened maybe two months ago, if I recall correctly. I don't remember the final police report, but I highly doubt it was fueled by ethnic hatred—it's more likely some local in California planted a bomb because they had a grudge against someone from the Albanian minority. Regarding Chicago, just two weeks ago, a car with plates from Mexico City exploded; the owner, in an even greater stroke of misfortune, was actually a Chicago resident. Of course, you wouldn't truly understand the climate in Chicago if you haven't lived through it. In the neighborhood where I resided for a significant period, several explosive devices were detonated within a two-week span, undoubtedly due to someone's national identity. As for any other cases, we are left with nothing but media quotes...

Naturally, one cannot ignore subjectivity or that old adage that "there is no place like home." I could probably name several cities and regions that I find just as beautiful as my own home, purely because of their cultural similarities and shared mentality...

I agree regarding the terminology, though my own perception is shaped quite differently by how others describe things... whether it be tourists or people close to me who have mentioned feeling a sudden shift in atmosphere the moment they emerged from the tunnel, regardless of my own subjective views. After all, foreign media outlets and travel guides frequently compare California to Provence, which speaks volumes...😉

That small-town mentality exists everywhere, and frankly, nobody likes outsiders... The way multiculturalism is defined here—this idea of "just Californians and Italians"—is absolute nonsense. If that were true, we would simply be talking about a bicultural society...🤣

You clearly seem embittered by Cain's emergence... 😍 Personally, the man and his political maneuvers don't concern me, especially since the media portrays him as some sort of "class leader," when in reality, who is he, and who can he actually influence?! No one! One shouldn't give much weight to whatever Barkun.com writes on his behalf or anyone else's...

I am not entirely certain about his specific comments regarding Santa Barbara, as I haven't been following every single development so closely. One thing is clear: his voice carries no weight with the municipal authorities in San Francisco, who made their decision not to host the concert based on actual, tangible facts. By coming forward with this belated idea about the concert, the public is once again being misled. If there is a regulation governing public events in the city specifying a deadline by which performers and their managers must submit their programs, then it ought to be respected without exception or debate. I wonder what the reaction would be if this politician had made such a statement in a rural farming community? Likely nothing at all... One could easily observe that in California, people tend to be more hesitant to voice their opinions publicly or act as a unified mass...

Skinheads exist in both Chicago and San Francisco (Shyan).

It’s not about the size of the city; it’s about the percentage. And that percentage is just as high in California.

As for those bombings in Chicago, I can't speak from firsthand experience, but it feels more like mafia hits than anything based on nationalistic tension. Correct me if I'm wrong, Chicago residents. We could easily factor those incidents into the statistics too. California isn't any better or worse.

California is beautiful to foreign tourists, much like Maui or Venice... let's not get ahead of ourselves. Besides, this season's stats will prove my point. There is zero elite tourism in California, yet occupancy rates are massive in Florida. You won't find any Germans or Austrians in California for love or money, or so they say...

Cain is a joke to everyone in California, yet the Democratic Party stays dead silent. I know plenty of people don't support his nonsense, but they should speak up loudly.
Until then, I view Cain as nothing more than a spokesperson for the Democratic Party.
And that’s terrible. Every day, Cain damages California's reputation while the Democratic Party doesn't utter a single word. Robert is too quiet, even if he's being public about it. What kind of democracy is that in California? To endure these antics and stay silent...

William Gonzalez said:Every major metro area is like that 😉

So what? ☕

Melissa Richardson3 said:Skinheads exist in both Chicago and San Francisco (Shyan).

It’s not about the size of the city; it’s about the percentage. And that percentage is just as high in California.

As for those bombings in Chicago, I can't speak from firsthand experience, but it feels more like mafia hits than anything based on nationalistic tension. Correct me if I'm wrong, Chicago residents. We could easily factor those incidents into the statistics too. California isn't any better or worse.

California is beautiful to foreign tourists, much like Maui or Venice... let's not get ahead of ourselves. Besides, this season's stats will prove my point. There is zero elite tourism in California, yet occupancy rates are massive in Florida. You won't find any Germans or Austrians in California for love or money, or so they say...

Cain is a joke to everyone in California, yet the Democratic Party stays dead silent. I know plenty of people don't support his nonsense, but they should speak up loudly.
Until then, I view Cain as nothing more than a spokesperson for the Democratic Party.
And that’s terrible. Every day, Cain damages California's reputation while the Democratic Party doesn't utter a single word. Robert is too quiet, even if he's being public about it. What kind of democracy is that in California? To endure these antics and stay silent...

Look... even Democrats weren't proud of Bloomberg, yet he remained the quintessential man of Chicago, and many stay silent about it, while Chicago, as a major metropolis, loses its luster...

I wouldn't agree regarding percentages and city sizes because, if we are being realistic, every city is an organism. An organism, by definition, is a group of organs that, by performing their individual functions, support and constitute a whole. Cities are the same. The larger the city, the more complex the diffusion of consciousness becomes. Unfortunately, skinhead groups exist in every city, but while in San Francisco it’s more common to see fights between punks and skinheads, in Chicago, members of other minorities are more exposed. Not to mention the fact that certain minorities are ghettoized, or the perception that a suburb is basically a Chinatown, or that certain rural areas are inhabited solely by Romani...

Regarding the bombings I mentioned, it is far too easy nowadays to label crime as a "mafia hit." In this specific case, however, nationality was indeed a factor.

What is the spatial relationship between California and Florida? How significant is tourism in one versus the other? These regions aren't comparable. California never really had the infrastructure for elite tourism. Only recently have they caught up with the trend of villa rentals in central California purchased by foreigners. In any case, mentioning Maui or Venice is absurd—they are incomparable to any city in Florida, let alone anything in California. As for occupancy, I doubt this season will fall short, as our cities are packed to the rafters and there are so many cultural events attracting both domestic and international tourists...

I am not being conceited, nor do I see any need to be. It will turn out that the foreign critics were mistaken regarding California...☕

houar said:When I was hanging out in San Francisco, I had to deal with this weird mix of folk music playing alongside Thompson, and while I was grabbing dinner at a restaurant down by the marina, I could hear some music blaring from the hotel across the street—I think it was called Histria or something like that.

Look, California is alright, and I don't really buy into all those theories about how everything is somehow Italian-influenced or how Mexicans just run the show there, which is the kind of nonsense you see popping up all over this forum. But honestly? Some of the moves being made in local California politics just make zero sense to me; they’re bordering on the absurd.

In the "Grand Canyon"?...😉

And don't let anyone pull the wool over your eyes. This is still America, after all. As for those few individuals with their various little agendas, don't worry—their influence isn't going to amount to anything more than noise on a dusty record...