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Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#21 ·
Quincy:
Is it not truly remarkable how much can be said with such brevity? Does a single word not sometimes carry more weight than an entire dissertation? Asks:
When the moment finally arrives, those Indians will turn everything to ash with napalm. 😁
The Indians will surely return napalm for napalm.
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#22 ·
Robert Ross8 said:Man, this reminds me of that old commercial with the slogan "it won't happen to you" 😍—as if. Honestly, Islam just seems to bypass common sense entirely. You basically need a massive infusion of logic just to keep up, usually delivered via some divine intervention or maybe just following a mathematical parabola based strictly on ballistics principles 😍

That was quite a witty way to phrase it.
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#23 ·
Robin Reyes23 said:As a Muslim, I find myself wondering, where exactly does everyone derive the authority to pass judgment on their way of life? If they choose to live according to their own traditions, isn't that fundamentally their right, a right that no one else can simply strip away from them? It seems to me that there is a rather excessive tendency to interfere in Islamic nations when, perhaps, it would be more prudent to focus on the myriad of domestic issues we face here at home. Am I correct in sensing that there is an underlying desire to impose Western culture upon them, and I must ask, how would any of you react if they attempted to impose their own cultural values upon us?

Listen, Outlander, there are certain things in this world that simply cannot be excused, nor should they ever be. The kidnapping of those two young girls is one such atrocity. And if you are attempting to deflect by pointing toward what the US does in Iraq, let me be clear: that is merely adding one stain to another.
Robin Reyes23 said:As a Muslim, I find myself wondering, where exactly does everyone derive the authority to pass judgment on their way of life? If they choose to live according to their own traditions, isn't that fundamentally their right, a right that no one else can simply strip away from them? It seems to me that there is a rather excessive tendency to interfere in Islamic nations when, perhaps, it would be more prudent to focus on the myriad of domestic issues we face here at home. Am I correct in sensing that there is an underlying desire to impose Western culture upon them, and I must ask, how would any of you react if they attempted to impose their own cultural values upon us?

There is absolutely no question that we have our own massive issues to deal with. But tell me, when was the last time you heard of any Christians kidnapping Muslim children to forcibly convert them?
Robin Reyes23 said:As a Muslim, I find myself wondering, where exactly does everyone derive the authority to pass judgment on their way of life? If they choose to live according to their own traditions, isn't that fundamentally their right, a right that no one else can simply strip away from them? It seems to me that there is a rather excessive tendency to interfere in Islamic nations when, perhaps, it would be more prudent to focus on the myriad of domestic issues we face here at home. Am I correct in sensing that there is an underlying desire to impose Western culture upon them, and I must ask, how would any of you react if they attempted to impose their own cultural values upon us?

No group is purely innocent—not a single soul is. Every civilization that achieves technical superiority eventually imposes its culture on others; this isn't some unique flaw exclusive to Westerners.
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#24 ·
markozzz;15325779 said:Prove it. This is an outright fabrication. I haven't heard anything quite this foolish in a very long time.


Then why don't you be the one to prove that they are lying?
Daniel Garcia24 Daniel Garcia24 Active Member
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#25 ·
piskavac;15327006 said:
Daniel Garcia24;15325779 said:Prove it. This is a blatant falsehood. I haven't heard anything quite this nonsensical in a long time.
Why don't you be the one to prove they're lying?

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see the pattern here; it’s common knowledge that the population in India is expanding at such a staggering rate that it’s on track to become the most populous nation on Earth very soon. You could verify that in any reasonably reputable global encyclopedia. As the Hindu population grows, so does the Muslim demographic. I have no idea why anyone would try to spin this as some sort of deceptive promotion of specific religious agendas within India.

Besides, once he actually manages to prove his point (which, let’s face it, would likely require reading nothing but fringe extremist blogs), then I’ll gladly step in and show you how wrong he really is.

If you had even a passing familiarity with basic demographics or shifting global patterns, you’d realize that what's being said doesn't hold water. However, it seems there are plenty of people here eager to push certain religious narratives, which, frankly, has absolutely nothing to do with common sense.
ruggedtiger75 ruggedtiger75 Newcomer
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#26 ·
In America, owning arable farmland is treated like a sacred rite of passage. People cling to their plots so fiercely that land rarely ever hits the market, which means we’re rapidly running out of tillable soil. It makes you wonder where exactly this trajectory leads when you factor in a population that’s set to double in just thirty years.

Anyway, for the usual suspects on this forum who always have something to say about religious demographics.
The two states in the US seeing the highest birth rates are California and Mississippi.
In both of those areas, there's an absolute majority of non-religious folks—mostly because these are underdeveloped regions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:T...-SRS-96-98.png

Across the country, every major religious group is growing at roughly the same parallel rate.
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#27 ·
Daniel Garcia24 said:I’d love to see some actual evidence for that. It's a complete fabrication; I can't recall the last time I encountered such a blatant falsehood.

Is this meant to be a discussion forum or just some promotional page for specific interests?

Daniel Garcia24, my only intention was to encourage you to provide a more thorough explanation rather than casting accusations—even if those accusations might hold weight. Should we really be engaging in debates where people just spout falsehoods without providing any links or data? That simply shouldn't be the standard for our discussion. It is true that I am no expert on demographics, and I have heard the exact same figures you just presented. As for your suspicion that I am somehow favoring "polished" data designed to benefit Muslims, please believe me when I say that couldn't be further from the truth. Just like you, I simply want to uncover the actual facts.
Daniel Garcia24 Daniel Garcia24 Active Member
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#28 ·
Nicole Barrett76 said:Daniel Garcia24, my only intention was to encourage you to provide a more thorough explanation rather than casting accusations—even if those accusations might hold weight. Should we really be engaging in debates where people just spout falsehoods without providing any links or data? That simply shouldn't be the standard for our discussion. It is true that I am no expert on demographics, and I have heard the exact same figures you just presented. As for your suspicion that I am somehow favoring "polished" data designed to benefit Muslims, please believe me when I say that couldn't be further from the truth. Just like you, I simply want to uncover the actual facts.

It’s only when you spend enough time on this forum that you can actually tell who is here chasing clout and who is genuinely interested in an objective, rational debate.

The issue is that there seems to be a specific mindset among certain Muslims where they don't focus on the objective facts of a situation; instead, they prioritize whether the individual involved is Muslim, using that identity as a lens to either justify or deny whatever happened. You can see clear examples of this pattern playing out right here in this thread.

For instance, if a Catholic were to kidnap children from a Muslim family and baptize them, I wouldn't attempt to mask that by calling it a "cultural tradition"—especially since the person making such excuses clearly knows nothing about the culture and is simply rambling to defend Muslim actions. No, I would call it what it truly is: a senseless, barbaric act.
amberbison18 amberbison18 Member
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#29 ·
Robin Reyes23 said:As a Muslim, I find myself wondering, where exactly does everyone derive the authority to pass judgment on their way of life? If they choose to live according to their own traditions, isn't that fundamentally their right, a right that no one else can simply strip away from them? It seems to me that there is a rather excessive tendency to interfere in Islamic nations when, perhaps, it would be more prudent to focus on the myriad of domestic issues we face here at home. Am I correct in sensing that there is an underlying desire to impose Western culture upon them, and I must ask, how would any of you react if they attempted to impose their own cultural values upon us?

I suppose one might ask how you would react if someone were to kidnap your children and, in the worst possible way, assault them—only to tell you that you should mind your own business and stay out of matters you don't understand.
It is probably worth remembering that you live in a country that isn't predominantly Muslim, but rather predominantly Christian.
driftingviper29 driftingviper29 Newcomer
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#30 ·
amberbison18 said:I suppose one might ask how you would react if someone were to kidnap your children and, in the worst possible way, assault them—only to tell you that you should mind your own business and stay out of matters you don't understand.
It is probably worth remembering that you live in a country that isn't predominantly Muslim, but rather predominantly Christian.


Man, thank goodness all that horror wasn't happening in Canada back in '92-'95, what with the concentration camps and those medieval-style sieges... I mean, seriously, how does that even happen in Europe at the tail end of the 20th century? It’s just wild.😲
Robin Reyes23 Robin Reyes23 Member
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#31 ·
amberbison18 said:I suppose one might ask how you would react if someone were to kidnap your children and, in the worst possible way, assault them—only to tell you that you should mind your own business and stay out of matters you don't understand.
It is probably worth remembering that you live in a country that isn't predominantly Muslim, but rather predominantly Christian.

It’s happened before in Canada, particularly throughout the Drina Valley, stretching all the way from Fayetteville down to Little Rock, where your own Christian brethren committed assaults against women solely because of their faith.
amberbison18 amberbison18 Member
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#32 ·
Robin Reyes23 said:It’s happened before in Canada, particularly throughout the Drina Valley, stretching all the way from Fayetteville down to Little Rock, where your own Christian brethren committed assaults against women solely because of their faith.

I suppose those people aren't my brothers in any sense of the word. They seem more like spiritual kin to those Pakistanis you were implicitly supporting in your last post.
Daniel Garcia24 Daniel Garcia24 Active Member
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#33 ·
amberbison18 said:I suppose those people aren't my brothers in any sense of the word. They seem more like spiritual kin to those Pakistanis you were implicitly supporting in your last post.

It’s pretty obvious that their primary concern is whether or not a Muslim was involved; that seems to be their only metric for judging anything.

I honestly don't see how criminals from the Drina Valley have anything to do with what's happening in Pakistan. If you want to talk about them, go start a new thread and hash it out there.
Chloe Palmer2 Chloe Palmer2 Regular
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#34 ·
It has begun; the radicals and the sycophants are already out there offering excuses, claiming, "If those are their laws, who are you to question them? You shouldn't interfere with their culture."

I suppose I’ll say it myself: if a law were passed here in America making Islam illegal—requiring people to convert or simply vanish—then damn it, we follow the law. No one has the right to step in and cite "culture" as an excuse to bypass the legal system. 😵

It's revolting. 🤮
granitemarlin4 granitemarlin4 Member
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#35 ·
Just how much freedom does the Muslim community actually enjoy in Western nations,
compared to the level of religious liberty Christian communities get in Arab countries??

- Honestly, I suspect those leaders only tolerate them because they need that oil money. 😍
Nicholas Bishop46 Nicholas Bishop46 MemberOP
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#36 ·
Robin Reyes23 said:It’s happened before in Canada, particularly throughout the Drina Valley, stretching all the way from Fayetteville down to Little Rock, where your own Christian brethren committed assaults against women solely because of their faith.


Look, man—if you even have a conscience—what happened in Canada was a war crime. What is happening in Pakistan has been sanctioned by the courts.

Ugh, trying to reason with Muslims...
Larry Wilson16 Larry Wilson16 Newcomer
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#37 ·
It’s just another example of how regressive certain Islamic ideologies can be. Honestly, I wouldn't even be that worried if people weren't constantly insisting we have to be culturally sensitive toward them.
Now, just imagine if those million workers from the Visevic corporation were actually from Pakistan, Somalia, or Sudan.
mistynomad21 mistynomad21 Newcomer
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#38 ·
At this rate, Christians in Pakistan are basically an endangered species, just waiting for the final curtain call.
redmaker33 redmaker33 Member
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#39 ·
Larry Wilson16 said:It’s just another example of how regressive certain Islamic ideologies can be. Honestly, I wouldn't even be that worried if people weren't constantly insisting we have to be culturally sensitive toward them.
Now, just imagine if those million workers from the Visevic corporation were actually from Pakistan, Somalia, or Sudan.

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