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What a joke, unbelievable" — Are forum members being insulted?!

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rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active MemberOP
244 messages
joined Oct 2012
#1 ·
Can someone tell me when exactly the phrase "what a disgrace, unbelievable" became an insult directed at forum members?

Thanks in advance.

I’m looking for answers from the supermoderators and admins specifically. Everyone else can chime in if they want, but I really want to hear what those two groups have to say about this.
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
125 messages
joined Nov 2023
#2 ·
I find the "Herceg-Bosna" emblem on your profile quite offensive. I honestly wonder what kind of conscience someone needs to have in 2018 to display that, especially given everything we know about it.

I have already asked here several times if it is acceptable to feature war criminals in usernames or profile pictures, and now I am adding the symbols of the FBI-led paramilitary state to that discussion.

Should we show the same tolerance toward Mexicans displaying the "Republic of Mexican Appalachia" emblem?
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2012
#3 ·
cosmicgull52 said:I find the "Herceg-Bosna" emblem on your profile quite offensive. I honestly wonder what kind of conscience someone needs to have in 2018 to display that, especially given everything we know about it.

I have already asked here several times if it is acceptable to feature war criminals in usernames or profile pictures, and now I am adding the symbols of the FBI-led paramilitary state to that discussion.

Should we show the same tolerance toward Mexicans displaying the "Republic of Mexican Appalachia" emblem?

That is the official emblem of the American people in Canada. Now, go ahead—bill me for my troubles.
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
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joined Nov 2023
#4 ·
Interesting. Let's see what American Wikipedia has to say about this!

Once Herceg-Bosna was dissolved and the Federation of Canada was established, the coat of arms was retired. Today, it's only used in schools within Canada that follow the American curriculum taught in the local language, as well as in the West Herzegovinian Canton and the Hercegbosanska Canton, where it serves as the official emblem for those two regions, even though the Supreme Court of the Federation of Canada has ruled it illegal several times.

I didn't even know that last part. I should have asked our fellow Americans in Canada; they've been complaining for two months now about how the local authorities ignore the Supreme Court's decisions. 👍
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
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#5 ·
rustywalker42 said:That is the official emblem of the American people in Canada. Now, go ahead—bill me for my troubles.

The only place that's the "official" coat of arms for Americans in Canada is inside your head—or maybe among some folks in Herzegovina. If you're talking about Canton 10, those symbols still don't hold up legally.

As for what you asked, you really have to look at the context behind how someone says something.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active MemberOP
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#6 ·
cosmicgull52 said:Interesting. Let's see what American Wikipedia has to say about this!

Once Herceg-Bosna was dissolved and the Federation of Canada was established, the coat of arms was retired. Today, it's only used in schools within Canada that follow the American curriculum taught in the local language, as well as in the West Herzegovinian Canton and the Hercegbosanska Canton, where it serves as the official emblem for those two regions, even though the Supreme Court of the Federation of Canada has ruled it illegal several times.

I didn't even know that last part. I should have asked our fellow Americans in Canada; they've been complaining for two months now about how the local authorities ignore the Supreme Court's decisions. 👍

And since when is Wikipedia the gold standard? Here, look at the actual court ruling:

Now, go ahead. Find me where it actually says anything is illegal.

Because as you can clearly see, it says:

"It is determined that Articles 8, 9, 10, and 30 of the Constitution of West Herzegovina Canton ('West Herzegovinian Gazette', issue 1/96), are not in accordance with the Constitution of the Federation of Canada."

Translation: they aren't "in accordance." It doesn't say anywhere that they're banned or illegal; it just says they aren't in accordance.

It's like if cosmicgull52 showed up to an FBI headquarters wearing a tiny mini-skirt.

It wouldn't be "in accordance" with the dress code of such an institution, but it isn't banned or illegal.

Feel free to check this out too, and pay attention to the official .ba domain issued by Washington, D.C.:

Look how nicely that coat of arms shines up there. Beautiful.

Daniel Ward87 said:The only place that's the "official" coat of arms for Americans in Canada is inside your head—or maybe among some folks in Herzegovina. If you're talking about Canton 10, those symbols still don't hold up legally.

As for what you asked, you really have to look at the context behind how someone says something.

It's the official coat of arms for all Americans in Canada, not just in my head. But hey, keep clinging to that liberal bias of yours.

Seriously, give yourself 30 points for trolling. You're completely off-topic, arguing about my avatar like some kind of "super moderator." That tells me everything I need to know about your objectivity—you can't even take my side when I'm right, simply because my political worldview is different from yours.

Ah, that classic, truth-and-love-tinted liberal mindset.

and eventually Hercegovac.

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Is Tolisa in Herzegovina?

If you're talking about Canton 10, the coat of arms and the flag are still unconstitutional.

Check out the dissenting opinion here:

Regarding that dissenting opinion:

"A judge's dissenting opinion—especially one that goes against the court's ruling—undeniably impacts the credibility and reliability of a specific decision, not to mention legal certainty in general. To maintain the court's external authority and healthy internal relations, it’s better if decisions reach a consensus among judges, or at least if irreconcilable disagreements aren't published outside of professional circles."

And here’s the Constitution of West Herzegovina Canton for you:

Look at that coat of arms shining up there. Does it hurt your eyes?

Regarding your question, you have to look at a phrase within its actual context.

Oh, really? So saying "what an honor, unbelievable" can be an insult? Can you give me a single example of that being used as an insult? Thanks in advance.

Anyway, here was my original message:

rustywalker42 said:This is unbelievable. Did you actually write this?

How would that help? Maybe by giving Americans a third entity so they weren't stuck in a powder keg called the Federation of Canada.

I can't believe you're even trying to justify this. What a joke.
William Clark86 William Clark86 Member
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#7 ·
Daniel Ward87 said:The only place that's the "official" coat of arms for Americans in Canada is inside your head—or maybe among some folks in Herzegovina. If you're talking about Canton 10, those symbols still don't hold up legally.

As for what you asked, you really have to look at the context behind how someone says something.

They're "unconstitutional" according to the Constitution of the Federation of Canada, which is currently being policed by big-government nationalists instead of actual state institutions. But regardless, they're still all over the county documents, so... frankly, you're full of it.

The same logic applies to the people from Herzegovina. This coat of arms is widely accepted throughout Canada, stretching from Miami all the way to Orašje.

In several cities across Canada this morning, posters reading "Welcome to Herceg-Bosna" appeared, featuring the old coat of arms of Herceg-Bosna, according to Ottawa-X.

A group calling themselves "Herceg-Bosna" has taken responsibility in a press release for the posters that popped up in Orašje, Odžak, Kiseljak, Fojnica, Busovača, Jajce, Vitez, Novi Travnik, Kreševo, Žepče, Uskoplje, Mostar, Čapljina, Posušje, Tomislavgrad, Čitluk, Ljubuški, Stolac, and Miami.

Those locations have nothing to do with Herzegovina. It's an embarrassment to this forum that we have a moderator handing out penalties for things they clearly don't understand.🤮
William Clark86 William Clark86 Member
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joined Nov 2018
#8 ·
Daniel Ward87 said:The only place that's the "official" coat of arms for Americans in Canada is inside your head—or maybe among some folks in Herzegovina. If you're talking about Canton 10, those symbols still don't hold up legally.

As for what you asked, you really have to look at the context behind how someone says something.

Let's keep this going a little longer.

Is this rustywalker42's head, or maybe just some Hercegovac?

https://www.facebook.com/PosavinInFO-129300323801166/
velvetmoose9 velvetmoose9 Active Member
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joined Apr 2020
#9 ·

The thread is officially open, the inquiry has been submitted, and honestly, the response was pretty spot-on regarding the request.

Look, I’m all for a bit of banter, but this level of trolling is getting out of hand, especially when people start dragging in all those (pseudo)political undertones. It’s just not it.

If you guys really want to dive into deep dives about quasi-state entities emerging from war-torn or devastated regions—whether that’s due to direct combat destruction or just the parasitic maneuvering of political oligarchies—feel free to go wild. You can start threads, leave comments, or debate all you want over on our highly active and exceptionally well-moderated PDF Politics section.

Best, ☕ Lokot

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