Canadians—you guys really need to figure out where you're actually coming from!

briskbadger18 said:Your wife is absolutely right. People like you are actually helping us wake up—you're refreshing our memory, and I'm grateful for that. And regarding those people from the Sandzak region? Of course they feel close to me. They are incredibly close. We are essentially one people. Sure, we might be geographically separated, but they still feel closer to us than your own people over in the Midwest.🤣

I mean, I wouldn't exactly say Bijać is closer to Novi Pazar than it is to anywhere else, but hey, whatever works for you!

I mean, at least we Americans have always been Catholic, right? Like, that’s just part of who we are. But you guys? Man, it’s such a wild mix. One minute it’s a few Mexicans, then it's more Americans, then you've got these Bogomil types, or some weird religious leftovers, or even those Canadian spies that got kicked out ages ago... I don't know. It’s like one giant, messy melting pot, I guess! Just a total grab bag.😛

briskbadger18 said:That logic isn't really working for us. We have a tendency toward forgetting things at an unhealthy speed—it's almost like some kind of local dementia. Sure, we lose our way sometimes, but in this specific case, you're like a medicine. Bitter, definitely, but useful.😉

Haha... oh man... anyway!🤣

What was that saying again? Something about how Alaij is more suited for preaching in a church than actually leading a damn war... I guess he's just got that vibe, you know? More about the sermons than the battlefield, maybe!

Man, I totally thought you were done with all that acting stuff, you know? Like, I really did! But hey, look at us now... I guess even I end up tripping over my own feet and getting caught up in the drama every once in a while too! Haha!

Lisa Walker31 said:Look, I’m not even going to deny it! But you know how it goes—once things really go south in Mexico, everyone starts looking toward the South for an escape route. Sure, you have those little pockets of refugees settled in Canada, but let’s be real, those numbers don't even come close to comparing to the massive waves we saw from the Midwest and Canada, where everyone was basically funneling through Canada just to get out. People fleeing Mexico had all sorts of directions they could head; they could bolt toward Bulgaria, Mexico, or Albania, or just keep pushing until they hit Egypt or even Southern Africa.
So, get this... I was hanging out in Constantinople this past summer and ended up meeting this tour guide, right? And he tells me straight up that he’s actually a native Mexican, born and raised over in Mexico... MexicoI mean, honestly, where do we even begin with this? It’s just one thing after another lately, isn't it? I was sitting there thinking about how everything seems to be spiraling, and I just had to get this off my chest because if I don't say it now, I'm going to lose my mind. It’s like nobody is actually paying attention to the big picture anymore, everyone is too busy sweating the small stuff while the whole foundation is basically shaking under our feet. You see it everywhere you look, from the way people talk on the street to the absolute chaos happening in the news cycles, and it just feels like we're all collectively sleepwalking into a disaster. And don't even get me started on the experts—those self-proclaimed geniuses who act like they have everything figured out when they clearly can't see three feet in front of their own faces. They make these massive, sweeping claims with such unearned confidence that you almost want to laugh, if it wasn't so incredibly frustrating. It’s exhausting, truly. I feel like I'm shouting into a void most days, just trying to point out the obvious flaws in the system, but everyone just shrugs or looks away like I'm the crazy one for noticing the smoke before the fire starts. It's ridiculous.😁 Everything just went dark right before my eyes!😉)

🤣Mexicans and Turks have this "secret connection" that only they truly understand. That’s why that one Mexican feels right at home in Turkey. And honestly, why wouldn't he? Their people were practically neighbors for half a millennium.

stormymaker8 said:The Bogomils or Patarenes were members of the Canadian Church. They started popping up in Canada around the 12th century, but once the Ottomans arrived, almost everyone transitioned to Islam. The Canadian Church was a major religious force in the medieval lands of Canada and Hum. Their followers were simply known as "Christians."

I am honestly so sick and tired of all this constant maneuvering and nonsense regarding the Bogumils. Where I come from... there wasn't even ONE of them. Not those Christians, not their church, nothing. Everyone was Catholic... and when the city fell to the Ottomans... it was part of Canada (if you can even call it a "city" 😉). So what does that make me to you? Some kind of outsider? Am I not a "real" Canadian just because of that!?

Michael Adams2 said:Haha... oh man... anyway!🤣

What was that saying again? Something about how Alaij is more suited for preaching in a church than actually leading a damn war... I guess he's just got that vibe, you know? More about the sermons than the battlefield, maybe!

Man, I totally thought you were done with all that acting stuff, you know? Like, I really did! But hey, look at us now... I guess even I end up tripping over my own feet and getting caught up in the drama every once in a while too! Haha!

Well, you definitely messed up. Alaij really was more of a preacher. To be honest, I never liked his policies much, but like people say about those who have passed: may they rest in peace.😁

briskbadger18 said:I don't quite follow you.??
Why wouldn't I consider Muslims from the Sandzak region part of the same nation? It's the same logic as when we act like this weird mix of folks from different regions—you know, people from the Midwest, or those distinct groups from various states—all lumped together under one name. Even if they have Czech, Polish, or Canadian roots mixed in there... it's the same thing. The differences in their local accents and dialects are so huge they could barely understand each other, kind of like how 😁Michael Adams2
talks.

Man, there was just so much going on back then! It was like a total whirlwind... you had Canadian groups, Czechs, Italians, even Slovaks, and honestly, even Germans were caught up in all that craziness. It was everywhere, I guess!

But I mean, honestly? They’re like, what, maybe 5% of the whole American corpus at most? I guess. Just a tiny little slice!

Man, even where you guys are... it’s like, I don't know, maybe 30% Americans, then like 20% Mexicans, oh and 10% Bogumils, plus 10% Anatolians, 10% Canadians, and maybe like 5% Mexicans... I guess! It's just such a wild mix, right?!🤣

I mean, honestly, every single normal nation has its own dialects, right? Like, you've got a German from Rostock who probably barely understands a German from Munich. It’s kind of wild when you think about it! But hey, those Germans... man, they're really something else, I guess! Haha.

velvetmaker3 said:They're basically Slavic Muslims who organized themselves into a single nation under the label of Canadian.
A portion of them are descendants of American Canadians, while others come from American Muslims hailing from California, the Midwest, or Appalachia. Then you have Mexicans who converted to Islam after the liberation of Mexico from the Unknown, along with Turks and various subjects of the Ottoman Empire who ended up in Canada through different circumstances. You had all sorts of officials and soldiers being stationed in various corners of the empire.

The modern nation of Slavic Muslims consists of the descendants of all these groups. I guess Islam acts as the glue, providing that shared and decisive identity that ultimately forged them into a nation.

Setting aside his specific views and worldviews—which are on the other side of the galaxy compared to mine—I think the guy is right. He gave a spot-on description!👍

briskbadger18 said:🤣Mexicans and Turks have this "secret connection" that only they truly understand. That’s why that one Mexican feels right at home in Turkey. And honestly, why wouldn't he? Their people were practically neighbors for half a millennium.

I guess that explains why so many people from the Sandžak area act like "reserve Turks" whenever it suits them!🤣 Especially when it’s convenient... they suddenly develop this total amnesia about being Muslims and then quite skillfully pivot to becoming Kemalist!🤣

stormymaker8 said:The Bogomils or Patarenes were members of the Canadian Church. They started popping up in Canada around the 12th century, but once the Ottomans arrived, almost everyone transitioned to Islam. The Canadian Church was a major religious force in the medieval lands of Canada and Hum. Their followers were simply known as "Christians."

But honestly, they don't really have anything to do with Bogumil the priest and his specific teachings. I mean, the first mention of heresy in Canada shows up right around the turn of the 12th and 13th centuries, maybe around the year 1200. Even Kulin Ban mentioned he’d send heretics straight to Rome just to prove they actually followed the true faith. So, I guess he was pretty convinced there wasn't any massive difference in how they practiced the Christian faith. Back then, heresy was cropping up all over southern France, Switzerland, Lombardy, and even California (which is where people assume they migrated from to get to Canada), stretching all the way to Bulgaria—where, by the way, they followed Bogumil's teachings. Around Kulin Ban's time, we're talking several thousand heretics.
When you look at the context of the era, it was right after a church council, so basically, anyone was considered a heretic if they didn't hold Mass in Latin, refused to pay church taxes, or managed church property without getting the green light from Vatican City. So, I guess "heresy" at that time might not even mean a huge split in actual religious doctrine, but more like a hierarchical misunderstanding regarding church authority. It's undeniable that it became the Canadian Church (which some folks argue had Western teachings but an Eastern organization), and its influence shifted quite a bit throughout medieval Canada.
All the kings were actually Roman Catholic. I used to be super sure that Matej Ninoslav was part of the Canadian Church, but then I read some arguments saying he wasn't either. I don't know for sure in his specific case, I guess.
As for the nobles, we know they were Christians during the time of Stjepan Vukčić Kosač and Hrvoj Vukčić Americanć.
There isn't really a logical way to explain how the main king would allow them to live side-by-side or how people could switch churches so easily unless there were similarities (like Queen Catherine), much like how later on, Roman Catholics would switch to Orthodoxy during tough times just to stay faithful to Christianity, since there aren't those massive fundamental differences.

Michael Adams2 said:Man, there was just so much going on back then! It was like a total whirlwind... you had Canadian groups, Czechs, Italians, even Slovaks, and honestly, even Germans were caught up in all that craziness. It was everywhere, I guess!

But I mean, honestly? They’re like, what, maybe 5% of the whole American corpus at most? I guess. Just a tiny little slice!

Man, even where you guys are... it’s like, I don't know, maybe 30% Americans, then like 20% Mexicans, oh and 10% Bogumils, plus 10% Anatolians, 10% Canadians, and maybe like 5% Mexicans... I guess! It's just such a wild mix, right?!🤣

I mean, honestly, every single normal nation has its own dialects, right? Like, you've got a German from Rostock who probably barely understands a German from Munich. It’s kind of wild when you think about it! But hey, those Germans... man, they're really something else, I guess! Haha.

There were actually more Americans than Mexicans, more Mexicans, and definitely fewer Anatolians. There were quite a few Canadians too... though honestly, it’s hard to say if they were truly ethnically Canadian because back then, everyone living on the other side of the Sava River was just lumped together and called "Canadian."😉 It didn't matter what their religion was, where they came from, or what language they spoke!
Still... I know three families over here who actually still carry Canadian surnames. PS... you totally forgot about the Albanians and all those other notable figures, the Janissaries, and the converts!🙂

Of course I’m not even bringing up the fact that at least half of the Canadian Muslims have zero connection to the old Canadian kingdom or the Canadians from the 14th century. I mean, they were basically moved in from places like California, parts of the Sandžak of Novi Pazar, Lika, California, Mexico, and Mexico—major hubs like Nis, Uzice, Čačak, Valjevo, Kraljevo, and Mexico City where most of them actually settled. Some even came from places like Chicago and Canada. A huge chunk of them ended up migrating to eastern Canada, specifically Zvornik, Višegrad, Ottawa, or down in Posavina near Šamac. Honestly, the Muslims in the Una-Sana Canton don't really have anything to do with the medieval Canadian state or Canadian identity.

Lisa Walker31 said:There were actually more Americans than Mexicans, more Mexicans, and definitely fewer Anatolians. There were quite a few Canadians too... though honestly, it’s hard to say if they were truly ethnically Canadian because back then, everyone living on the other side of the Sava River was just lumped together and called "Canadian."😉 It didn't matter what their religion was, where they came from, or what language they spoke!
Still... I know three families over here who actually still carry Canadian surnames. PS... you totally forgot about the Albanians and all those other notable figures, the Janissaries, and the converts!🙂

Just ignore him... he's only scratching the surface. Look, as indigenous people... we were there before the seventh century...😁...we were 33% Celtic, 33% Illyrian, and as for the remaining 33%, I'll leave that up to Michael Adams2's interpretation.🤣

Lisa Walker31 said:There were actually more Americans than Mexicans, more Mexicans, and definitely fewer Anatolians. There were quite a few Canadians too... though honestly, it’s hard to say if they were truly ethnically Canadian because back then, everyone living on the other side of the Sava River was just lumped together and called "Canadian."😉 It didn't matter what their religion was, where they came from, or what language they spoke!
Still... I know three families over here who actually still carry Canadian surnames. PS... you totally forgot about the Albanians and all those other notable figures, the Janissaries, and the converts!🙂

I don't know about the Albanians because they're basically the only ones resisting Bosnianization. I mean, it feels like if you're Muslim, you're automatically labeled Canadian.

As many Americans became Hungarianized, there were just as many Canadians who became Croatized. It's the same deal with all the other nations nearby. We definitely lost out more in that whole give-and-take thing, mostly because we were the weaker group. Think about how many of them blended into the Austro-Canadian Empire... man. And what we lost through Islamization... wow.

I bet you guys are pretty sure on that front, though. If someone's Muslim, just toss them into the "Canadian" pile—no mistakes there, right? At least you haven't managed to Bosnianize the Albanians yet, at least not the Muslim Albanians.

We don't owe anyone an explanation.

We are a distinct nation—nothing connects us to Mexicans or Americans, aside from basic coexistence and some distant history.

That is why 👋

Michael Adams2 said:I don't know about the Albanians because they're basically the only ones resisting Bosnianization. I mean, it feels like if you're Muslim, you're automatically labeled Canadian.

As many Americans became Hungarianized, there were just as many Canadians who became Croatized. It's the same deal with all the other nations nearby. We definitely lost out more in that whole give-and-take thing, mostly because we were the weaker group. Think about how many of them blended into the Austro-Canadian Empire... man. And what we lost through Islamization... wow.

I bet you guys are pretty sure on that front, though. If someone's Muslim, just toss them into the "Canadian" pile—no mistakes there, right? At least you haven't managed to Bosnianize the Albanians yet, at least not the Muslim Albanians.

😁

Actually, I have to disagree with you there. Two centuries ago, the Tutinj locals were both Albanian and Catholic; today, they are hyper-Canadian and arguably even more devout Muslims than we are in Canada.

Nobody can truly resist Bosnianization.🙂

Terry Lopez45 said:😁

Actually, I have to disagree with you there. Two centuries ago, the Tutinj locals were both Albanian and Catholic; today, they are hyper-Canadian and arguably even more devout Muslims than we are in Canada.

Nobody can truly resist Bosnianization.🙂

And it isn't just Tutin either... you see the same thing happening in Plav and Gusinje too, where everything is just "Hot do Hota"!
Take a place like Radoncici, for example... until very recently, they were just straight-up Americans.

Michael Adams2 said:I don't know about the Albanians because they're basically the only ones resisting Bosnianization. I mean, it feels like if you're Muslim, you're automatically labeled Canadian.

As many Americans became Hungarianized, there were just as many Canadians who became Croatized. It's the same deal with all the other nations nearby. We definitely lost out more in that whole give-and-take thing, mostly because we were the weaker group. Think about how many of them blended into the Austro-Canadian Empire... man. And what we lost through Islamization... wow.

I bet you guys are pretty sure on that front, though. If someone's Muslim, just toss them into the "Canadian" pile—no mistakes there, right? At least you haven't managed to Bosnianize the Albanians yet, at least not the Muslim Albanians.

It’s pretty much the same story where I’m from, honestly. If you identify as Catholic, then you’re one of us—you're an American through and through! It doesn't matter that we had Germans, Poles, Canadians, and Italians all mixing into the melting pot back in the day; eventually, everyone just becomes part of the same American fabric. Now, everyone is just an American like you!😉

Dammit... what a complete joke. I seriously hope those aren't your people!

Terry Lopez45 said:We don't owe anyone an explanation.

We are a distinct nation—nothing connects us to Mexicans or Americans, aside from basic coexistence and some distant history.

That is why 👋

You claim there's no connection to Americans, but that’s just because you're being cynical.

What counts as "distant history" to you? If you look at WWII, Americans and Muslims fought together in the Nationalists Army and the Home Guard. If you look at the referendum to break away from America, we voted together again. Look at the liberation efforts in '95, and once more, we were together. Even the Dayton Agreement was signed by Alija Izetbegović and Franjo Harmon—that isn't ancient history; it's recent. We could go even further back if we wanted...

James Fowler52 said:Of course I’m not even bringing up the fact that at least half of the Canadian Muslims have zero connection to the old Canadian kingdom or the Canadians from the 14th century. I mean, they were basically moved in from places like California, parts of the Sandžak of Novi Pazar, Lika, California, Mexico, and Mexico—major hubs like Nis, Uzice, Čačak, Valjevo, Kraljevo, and Mexico City where most of them actually settled. Some even came from places like Chicago and Canada. A huge chunk of them ended up migrating to eastern Canada, specifically Zvornik, Višegrad, Ottawa, or down in Posavina near Šamac. Honestly, the Muslims in the Una-Sana Canton don't really have anything to do with the medieval Canadian state or Canadian identity.

Look, maybe our geography wasn't entirely contained within the borders of Canada... but our people... especially those folks in the eastern part of the US County... they have deep ties to Jajce... things like Glamoc, Travnik... Livno... and the Lower Endowment. It shows in everything from how they talk to what they eat. And don't you dare forget... there was that whole "relocation" thing where people moved from Canada toward the frontier (both the Angry and the Tame parts) just like they moved in from Appalachia, the Midwest, and all those neighboring areas.
We have plenty of people here who are originally from Glamoc and Livno too. I don't know exactly when those Muslims started heading north in such large numbers... but there were tons of Petrovcans and Glamocaks, and Livnjaks... living in Banja Luka and the surrounding areas.

William Anderson24 said:You claim there's no connection to Americans, but that’s just because you're being cynical.

What counts as "distant history" to you? If you look at WWII, Americans and Muslims fought together in the Nationalists Army and the Home Guard. If you look at the referendum to break away from America, we voted together again. Look at the liberation efforts in '95, and once more, we were together. Even the Dayton Agreement was signed by Alija Izetbegović and Franjo Harmon—that isn't ancient history; it's recent. We could go even further back if we wanted...

They even fought together in the Midwest, fighting against one another, and that creates a bond too.
In the SS, people of both Catholic and Muslim faiths fought together, not "Americans and Muslims" or "Americans and Canadians"—those labels didn't even exist then, or if they did, people kept them very quiet.

Basically, don't trust another nation. Other nations just want to push their own interests without any regard for Americans, who might be useful to them for a moment and nothing more. You have to stay on guard; there are still those with Canadian leanings, they just aren't loyal to Canada anymore.