Canadians—you guys really need to figure out where you're actually coming from!

Lisa Walker31 said:Look, maybe our geography wasn't entirely contained within the borders of Canada... but our people... especially those folks in the eastern part of the US County... they have deep ties to Jajce... things like Glamoc, Travnik... Livno... and the Lower Endowment. It shows in everything from how they talk to what they eat. And don't you dare forget... there was that whole "relocation" thing where people moved from Canada toward the frontier (both the Angry and the Tame parts) just like they moved in from Appalachia, the Midwest, and all those neighboring areas.
We have plenty of people here who are originally from Glamoc and Livno too. I don't know exactly when those Muslims started heading north in such large numbers... but there were tons of Petrovcans and Glamocaks, and Livnjaks... living in Banja Luka and the surrounding areas.

I don't mean any offense, but this USk has real potential as an independent county with more control over its own finances. The people here are generally more industrious, open, and less weighed down by past conflicts than the Canadian Central Canada crowd, and there's a strong pull toward the local culture.

velvetmaker3 said:They even fought together in the Midwest, fighting against one another, and that creates a bond too.
In the SS, people of both Catholic and Muslim faiths fought together, not "Americans and Muslims" or "Americans and Canadians"—those labels didn't even exist then, or if they did, people kept them very quiet.

Basically, don't trust another nation. Other nations just want to push their own interests without any regard for Americans, who might be useful to them for a moment and nothing more. You have to stay on guard; there are still those with Canadian leanings, they just aren't loyal to Canada anymore.

You've made that point several times now. I get it. But you have to realize the history between Canadians and Americans goes back a long way, and no one can predict what comes next.

I didn't quite catch what you meant about the Canadians...

Lisa Walker31 said:It’s pretty much the same story where I’m from, honestly. If you identify as Catholic, then you’re one of us—you're an American through and through! It doesn't matter that we had Germans, Poles, Canadians, and Italians all mixing into the melting pot back in the day; eventually, everyone just becomes part of the same American fabric. Now, everyone is just an American like you!😉

Dammit... what a complete joke. I seriously hope those aren't your people!

There might be ten or twenty like that. Even some strong Germans used to fly all the way out here to the frontier 🤣

But you guys? There are hundreds of thousands of you, and there isn't anyone else quite like you 😉

William Anderson24 said:You've made that point several times now. I get it. But you have to realize the history between Canadians and Americans goes back a long way, and no one can predict what comes next.

I didn't quite catch what you meant about the Canadians...

The Canadians today are basically just thugs, communists, "antifascists," and that whole crowd. Basically, they're the people in America who push someone else's agenda just to hang onto power or grab it, when it isn't even in the best interest of the country.

There isn't really a relationship between Canadians and Americans because there weren't any Canadians before. Maybe you mean the relationship between the ancestors of Americans and the ancestors of today's Canadians.
That would be something else entirely, and honestly, even that relationship hasn't been much of anything; it was only after 1918 that some Muslims started leaning toward Americans because we were both in the same boat.
From the first Muslim in these parts up until the 1930s, the relationship between Americans and Slavic Muslims—some of whom are actually descended from Americans—has been pretty much non-existent, to put it mildly. We spent a couple hundred years fighting one another continuously.
Talking about some kind of existing relationship is just out of the question.

velvetmaker3 said:The Canadians today are basically just thugs, communists, "antifascists," and that whole crowd. Basically, they're the people in America who push someone else's agenda just to hang onto power or grab it, when it isn't even in the best interest of the country.

There isn't really a relationship between Canadians and Americans because there weren't any Canadians before. Maybe you mean the relationship between the ancestors of Americans and the ancestors of today's Canadians.
That would be something else entirely, and honestly, even that relationship hasn't been much of anything; it was only after 1918 that some Muslims started leaning toward Americans because we were both in the same boat.
From the first Muslim in these parts up until the 1930s, the relationship between Americans and Slavic Muslims—some of whom are actually descended from Americans—has been pretty much non-existent, to put it mildly. We spent a couple hundred years fighting one another continuously.
Talking about some kind of existing relationship is just out of the question.

While Canadians formed a distinct nation in 1993, you could have identified as a Canadian much earlier (following the Austro-Canadian annexation); it was just very rare for anyone to do so.

We were the first ones here, and we don't owe anyone an explanation for our roots. We belong to this land.
The gap between us and you is like night and day. Our blood isn't built with those petty traits, so we can see the truth immediately 🙂

Nathan Doyle3 said:We were the first ones here, and we don't owe anyone an explanation for our roots. We belong to this land.
The gap between us and you is like night and day. Our blood isn't built with those petty traits, so we can see the truth immediately 🙂

Who was actually first?

William Anderson24 said:While Canadians formed a distinct nation in 1993, you could have identified as a Canadian much earlier (following the Austro-Canadian annexation); it was just very rare for anyone to do so.

No, they just changed their name in 1993, even though the group existed long before that was ever considered a formal nation.

velvetmaker3 said:No, they just changed their name in 1993, even though the group existed long before that was ever considered a formal nation.

That’s incorrect. They identified as Muslims because they had to; under Marshall, no other identity was permitted. Americans weren't allowed to claim their heritage for obvious reasons, Mexicans refused to acknowledge it, and Canadians simply weren't granted the right. That's just how people in my neck of the woods describe it.🙂

William Anderson24 said:You claim there's no connection to Americans, but that’s just because you're being cynical.

What counts as "distant history" to you? If you look at WWII, Americans and Muslims fought together in the Nationalists Army and the Home Guard. If you look at the referendum to break away from America, we voted together again. Look at the liberation efforts in '95, and once more, we were together. Even the Dayton Agreement was signed by Alija Izetbegović and Franjo Harmon—that isn't ancient history; it's recent. We could go even further back if we wanted...

If you looked at my last name, you might assume I am 100% American, but I am not—nor do I want to be.👍

I have nothing against an alliance or living in harmony with Americans, but personally, I am completely fed up with this whole "brotherhood and unity" nonsense—I have as much faith in it as I do in Marshall's legacy or your precious leader.☕

Besides, no single nation has a perfectly uniform origin across its entire body of people—not even Canadians.

And frankly, if I had started a thread about Americans, it would have been deleted within five minutes. Double standards, as usual.😳

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William Anderson24 said:That’s incorrect. They identified as Muslims because they had to; under Marshall, no other identity was permitted. Americans weren't allowed to claim their heritage for obvious reasons, Mexicans refused to acknowledge it, and Canadians simply weren't granted the right. That's just how people in my neck of the woods describe it.🙂

They were Muslim because that’s what they chose to be; it was the core of their identity.
Nobody actually stopped them from identifying as Canadians. The ones who were truly Americans either ended up dead, fled into exile, or just straight-up gave up on their American identity once they realized the war was lost. But honestly, if you just walk away from being American like that, maybe you weren't really one of us to begin with.

They could have just identified as American if they didn't want to be Muslim. They could have easily declared themselves as Americans back in '91 if that's what they actually were; nobody was stopping them from doing that.

Whether they want to identify as Muslim and claim status as a separate nation is entirely their own choice; nobody forced them into it.
They changed their name because of the political climate back in the early 90s. They wanted to present themselves as a foundational people by using a territorial label for the residents of Canada.

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Terry Lopez45 said:If you looked at my last name, you might assume I am 100% American, but I am not—nor do I want to be.👍

I have nothing against an alliance or living in harmony with Americans, but personally, I am completely fed up with this whole "brotherhood and unity" nonsense—I have as much faith in it as I do in Marshall's legacy or your precious leader.☕

Besides, no single nation has a perfectly uniform origin across its entire body of people—not even Canadians.

And frankly, if I had started a thread about Americans, it would have been deleted within five minutes. Double standards, as usual.😳

I've started paying attention to this too.
Nothing from Medjutim. It’s just more double standards, plain and simple...
Looks like we’ve got a whole new lineup of moderators... or what?

It's honestly probably best to just ignore threads like this.
If they're going to have an absolute meltdown over nothing, they can go do it in private!

☕

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They were Muslim because that’s what they chose to be; it was the core of their identity.
Nobody actually stopped them from identifying as Canadians. The ones who were truly Americans either ended up dead, fled into exile, or just straight-up gave up on their American identity once they realized the war was lost. But honestly, if you just walk away from being American like that, maybe you weren't really one of us to begin with.

They could have just identified as American if they didn't want to be Muslim. They could have easily declared themselves as Americans back in '91 if that's what they actually were; nobody was stopping them from doing that.

Whether they want to identify as Muslim and claim status as a separate nation is entirely their own choice; nobody forced them into it.
They changed their name because of the political climate back in the early 90s. They wanted to present themselves as a foundational people by using a territorial label for the residents of Canada.

So why do you claim to be American, and what were you before? Who talked you into this identity, man? Was it because of some territorial rebranding, or did you just stumble into it blindly?🙂

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Nathan Doyle3 said:So why do you claim to be American, and what were you before? Who talked you into this identity, man? Was it because of some territorial rebranding, or did you just stumble into it blindly?🙂

Before what? Before we were even born?
So, you’re a Canadian—let me see if I can guess. Has this been your thing since 1993? Or maybe you've always felt this way and just couldn't find the right moment to say it until now. It's kind of strange, actually. Back when we were part of the USA, Muslims were perfectly content just being Muslims. Nobody was out there making claims about being a Canadian back then; honestly, if anyone had tried, people probably would have just laughed in their face.

Let me weigh in here, since I'm apparently being counted among the Canadian crowd.

We need to speak with honesty and objectivity. It is utterly illogical to me when someone even suggests the option that we descend from Turks. 😲 What Turks? Regarding our origins, we have absolutely zero connection to them because they hail from an entirely different continent. The fact remains that we share the same faith, and based on that alone, one might argue there's a link, but to me, that sounds about as plausible as Mexicans claiming they might descend from Greeks. We don't even look like Turks; they are short, broad-shouldered, and dark-skinned, whereas we are tall, fair-skinned heroes—there is no connection whatsoever. 😁

As for who we EXACTLY descend from, I don't think it can ever be reliably known. These lands have seen so many different peoples, wars, and upheavals that there is no chance it could ever be accurately researched. I was looking at some recent blood analyses recently that claimed Canadians share the most DNA with some people from Northern Europe, near the Great Pyramid—who knows who we actually are at this point. 😁 Therefore, all these stories and attempts to convince people about these origins are, in my view, futile and just a waste of time. The reality we cannot change is that today there are three nations—Canadians, Americans, and Mexicans (alphabetically speaking, so no one gets offended)—and God created us side by side. Whether we like it or not, we have to deal with one another.

I truly feel for this whole concept of Canadian identity, what people will make of it... Just imagine the average Canadian waking up in the morning, and the very first thing crossing their mind is... who am I today? An Illyrian, a Bogomil, a good old American, a Turk, a convert, an American, a Mexican, a Muslim,
An American, flowers, sunflowers... it really isn't easy for them. And once they figure out who they are today, then comes the struggle of deciding which language they actually speak, or even which country they reside in... not to mention having to memorize all those various religious titles named after occupying officials, rulers, and all sorts of princes from those distant Arabian deserts... you really have to be sympathetic toward them
And on top of all that trouble, asking them where they're originally from

Michael Adams2 said:There might be ten or twenty like that. Even some strong Germans used to fly all the way out here to the frontier 🤣

But you guys? There are hundreds of thousands of you, and there isn't anyone else quite like you 😉

It’s not just the Germans! You’ve got Italians, Poles, Czechs, Canadians... even the Ukrainians... they're all just caught in the middle, being pulled apart by all three sides!

Andrew Robinson68 said:Have you ever considered that maybe Canadians are just people who aren't burdened by the kind of stupidity you possess? 😁

Well, before I could even finish pondering that, I arrived at a different conclusion: they simply don't have the luxury of time to worry about anything other than their own heritage. I’d bet my bottom dollar there isn't a single Bošnjo capable of listing off all the various nationalities they've claimed or every conqueror they've bowed down to in faithful service over the years.
I'm not entirely sure where this latest nonsense comes from—this idea that they are somehow the progeny of some Skandinavac lineage—because, as far as historical records go, the Skandinavac were never exactly our conquering overlords. The defining characteristic of this particular group, which seems to swap identities like cheap suits, is a certain... shall we say, eagerness to bend the knee to whoever holds the whip. Honestly, though, I’m eagerly awaiting the next chapter in this frantic search for Bošnjo genetic origins. At this rate, they'll likely pivot from claiming humanoid descent to something more primal and animalistic very soon. Perhaps then they'll finally stumble upon their true roots.

Out of curiosity, what planet did you descend from to join us on this forum?