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analogfalcon38 analogfalcon38 Member
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#21 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:These brave fighters fighting for freedom from those evil Americans are out there threatening girls just because they dared to learn how to read and write, instead of staying cooped up at home in some ninja squad waiting on their master...

If it wasn't so depressing, it would actually be kind of funny...

analogfalcon38, you got a sister?
Would you let her go to school?

Nah, I don't have a sister. But if I did, obviously I wouldn't stop her from getting an education.
I think it's pretty obvious by now that my sympathies lie with Iran. 😉
In Iran, they've got about 700,000 students in college, and get this—60% of them are women.
The literacy rate there is over 80%. Do I really need to spell it out for you??
silenteagle11 silenteagle11 Member
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#22 ·
analogfalcon38 said:Nah, I don't have a sister. But if I did, obviously I wouldn't stop her from getting an education.
I think it's pretty obvious by now that my sympathies lie with Iran. 😉
In Iran, they've got about 700,000 students in college, and get this—60% of them are women.
The literacy rate there is over 80%. Do I really need to spell it out for you??

How many madrasas are actually running in Iran anyway?😲😁😉 ...
analogfalcon38 analogfalcon38 Member
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#23 ·
silenteagle11 said:How many madrasas are actually running in Iran anyway?😲😁😉 ...

The whole damn country of Iran is just one massive militia😉))
mistycyclist5 mistycyclist5 Active Member
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#24 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Any random guy on an Islamic forum: "I'm all for the rebels in Iraq and Afghanistan...
But I can't get behind bin Laden, al-Qaeda, or the Taliban"... 😵

It’s pretty obvious you haven't done your homework.

If you actually knew what was happening on the ground, you'd realize there's a legitimate resistance force fighting there—people who despise the Taliban and al-Qaeda just as much as they hate the Americans for occupying their land. This isn't some group committing atrocities or targeting civilians; from what I can see, they are simply fighting back against foreign occupiers (the Americans) and the internal traitors (al-Qaeda led by bin Laden).

Maybe try educating yourself before jumping to conclusions!😛
silenteagle11 silenteagle11 Member
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#25 ·
analogfalcon38 said:The whole damn country of Iran is just one massive militia😉))

Now I finally get why there are so many "educated" people in Iran🙂

(madrasa = an Islamic school where they don't teach anything besides Islam🙄)
analogfalcon38 analogfalcon38 Member
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#26 ·
silenteagle11 said:Now I finally get why there are so many "educated" people in Iran🙂

(madrasa = an Islamic school where they don't teach anything besides Islam🙄)

Looking at the percentages, I’m pretty sure the Islamic Republic of Iran actually has more highly educated people than a lot of the countries in the European Union.
nimbleranger19 nimbleranger19 Member
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#27 ·
analogfalcon38 said:Looking at the percentages, I’m pretty sure the Islamic Republic of Iran actually has more highly educated people than a lot of the countries in the European Union.

Seriously?

Where on earth did you pull those numbers from?
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#28 ·
nimbleranger19 said:Seriously?

Where on earth did you pull those numbers from?

Straight out of the Quran... 😂
analogfalcon38 analogfalcon38 Member
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#29 ·
nimbleranger19 said:Seriously?

Where on earth did you pull those numbers from?

Scientific breakthroughs, industrial modernization, innovation, all that jazz...
nimbleranger19 nimbleranger19 Member
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#30 ·
analogfalcon38 said:Scientific breakthroughs, industrial modernization, innovation, all that jazz...

For real? What kind of achievements are we even talking about here?

Name just one single thing invented by an Iranian (and they gotta be educated in Iran and actually living there, too).🤣
Matthew Harris2 Matthew Harris2 Member
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#31 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:These brave fighters fighting for freedom from those evil Americans are out there threatening girls just because they dared to learn how to read and write, instead of staying cooped up at home in some ninja squad waiting on their master...

If it wasn't so depressing, it would actually be kind of funny...

analogfalcon38, you got a sister?
Would you let her go to school?

Just a bunch of aggressive, backwards thugs.

I'm pretty sure Homo erectus had more brainpower than these Islamic fanatics. 😠
analogfalcon38 analogfalcon38 Member
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#32 ·
nimbleranger19 said:For real? What kind of achievements are we even talking about here?

Name just one single thing invented by an Iranian (and they gotta be educated in Iran and actually living there, too).🤣

"The Iranian team took first place
- A scientific team from the Islamic Republic of Iran snagged first place at the International Inventor Competition in Geneva. At the 35th International Inventor Competition, this Iranian team walked away with 52 gold medals, 11 special awards, and two honorary doctorates, beating out 44 other teams from around the globe. This whole thing happens every year from April 14th to the 19th in Geneva. The runners-up were teams from Switzerland and Russia."

"A massive Iranian computer project
- Over at the Technical University "Amir Kabir" in Tehran, they’ve built the most sophisticated supercomputer in the Middle East.
According to the Islamic Republic newspaper, this tech marvel is the result of two years of grinding by university experts, and its main gig is crunching meteorological data and weather forecasts.
The machine can process 860 billion data points per second. Per WTO standards, any computer hitting over 190 billion per second is considered a strategic product. This achievement puts Iran right up there with the world's top computer producers."

"Iranian Maryam Eslami named BEST INVENTOR OF 2008

April 21, 2008.
- The Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), which operates under the United Nations, named Iranian medical student Maryam Eslami the best inventor of 2008.
At this year's 36th international competition for innovation, inventions, and new technologies, Maryam Eslami grabbed a gold medal, a certificate, and a cash prize, plus some serious special recognition from the expert jury of this major international event.
On top of all that, she also picked up a special award, a certificate, and a medal from the International Federation of Inventors Moldova.
She earned all these honors for her work on an external fixator used to treat bone injuries, specifically for the elbow.

analogfalcon38:
Just a few examples of what Iranian experts have pulled off lately.
It's no secret that back when Europeans were basically just jumping around naked in the woods, civilization and science were already thriving in Iran. 👍
nimbleranger19 nimbleranger19 Member
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#33 ·
analogfalcon38 said:"The Iranian team took first place
- A scientific team from the Islamic Republic of Iran snagged first place at the International Inventor Competition in Geneva. At the 35th International Inventor Competition, this Iranian team walked away with 52 gold medals, 11 special awards, and two honorary doctorates, beating out 44 other teams from around the globe. This whole thing happens every year from April 14th to the 19th in Geneva. The runners-up were teams from Switzerland and Russia."

"A massive Iranian computer project
- Over at the Technical University "Amir Kabir" in Tehran, they’ve built the most sophisticated supercomputer in the Middle East.
According to the Islamic Republic newspaper, this tech marvel is the result of two years of grinding by university experts, and its main gig is crunching meteorological data and weather forecasts.
The machine can process 860 billion data points per second. Per WTO standards, any computer hitting over 190 billion per second is considered a strategic product. This achievement puts Iran right up there with the world's top computer producers."

"Iranian Maryam Eslami named BEST INVENTOR OF 2008

April 21, 2008.
- The Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), which operates under the United Nations, named Iranian medical student Maryam Eslami the best inventor of 2008.
At this year's 36th international competition for innovation, inventions, and new technologies, Maryam Eslami grabbed a gold medal, a certificate, and a cash prize, plus some serious special recognition from the expert jury of this major international event.
On top of all that, she also picked up a special award, a certificate, and a medal from the International Federation of Inventors Moldova.
She earned all these honors for her work on an external fixator used to treat bone injuries, specifically for the elbow.

analogfalcon38:
Just a few examples of what Iranian experts have pulled off lately.
It's no secret that back when Europeans were basically just jumping around naked in the woods, civilization and science were already thriving in Iran. 👍

You don't get it—what did they actually *invent*?
I'm not talking about just buying existing tech and putting it to work, like computers, or making tiny tweaks to a bone fixator or winning various trophies.

What did they create from scratch that hasn't existed before?

How have they actually moved the needle for science?
analogfalcon38 analogfalcon38 Member
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#34 ·
The Islamic Revolution in the Islamic Republic of Iran was basically this massive wake-up call for the people there, sparking a ton of real progress and major wins. This whole movement handed Americans—well, the people living there—a sense of independence, brought back that national pride, and basically cut the cord on being dependent on foreign economic, political, or cultural meddling. It pushed everyone to level up their own economy and go all-in on scientific and tech growth. In my last post, I touched on some of the economic and defense breakthroughs they saw after the revolution took hold, but today, let’s dig into the scientific and educational leaps they've made lately.
In the Islamic Republic of Iran, there's a huge emphasis on science and keeping the community educated. You see it everywhere in the religious texts—plenty of verses and traditions calling for people to seek knowledge at all times and places, no matter how old you are. These principles have carried a lot of weight in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Since the revolution succeeded, the government has been trying its best to fund the education system properly. Even Article 30 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran makes it clear: the government is duty-bound to ensure free education for all children and youth.
Right from the jump of the revolution, fighting illiteracy was a core part of the agenda set by the reformers led by Khomeini, the guy who founded the Islamic Republic of Iran. During that era, they set up all these educational bodies specifically designed to push literacy forward. Thanks to the grind of the officials running those institutions, the illiteracy rate—which used to be sitting at a staggering 50%—got dragged down to just 10%.
The sheer exhaustion and hard work of the folks in these organizations to crush illiteracy in the Islamic Republic of Iran hasn't gone unnoticed; in recent years, they've actually picked up praise from international groups, including UNESCO.
In the immediate aftermath of the revolution, the quality of schooling in the Islamic Republic of Iran was pretty rough. But lately, there’s been this massive push to build schools even in the most remote corners of this huge country. The teaching staff is working with updated curricula and modern tools, trying to prep the younger generations for the real world using the latest scientific methods and ways to soak up knowledge.
Universities in the Islamic Republic of Iran have had to deal with some pretty heavy shifts since the revolution. With the population growing and more young people wanting to hit the books, the current capacity of the central education system in the Islamic Republic of Iran is north of 1.2 million students. It’s worth noting that this system shows a lot of respect for women's rights and actively encourages them to get an education. For a few years now, women have actually made up about 60% of the students in higher education institutions here.A solid way to measure this scientific progress is looking at the surge in research papers published by Iranian researchers in top-tier global journals. To be honest, though, some Western journals—despite all that talk about scientific independence and objectivity—seem to "forget" to publish works from Iranian researchers and scientists on purpose.
Iranian scientists have been hitting some seriously impressive milestones across basically every scientific field recently. Take nanotechnology, for example; it’s one of the four most cutting-edge and complex techs on the planet, and they've been utilizing it in the Islamic Republic of Iran for several years now. By leveraging this tech, they can actually change the structure of body cells and molecules to help with medical treatments. Nanotechnology has uses everywhere—medicine, livestock, farming, industry, you name it. The Islamic Republic of Iran is now considered one of those countries with total specialization in nano-tech research. They've already managed to turn this tech into actual products.
Among the many big wins for Iranian scientists, we should probably mention the discovery and production of stem cells. A few years back, experts in the Islamic Republic of Iran started successfully using these cells to treat certain diseases. These cells are a big deal because they can produce other types of cells within the human body. Using stem cell applications, doctors have managed to treat and control some previously incurable conditions, like childhood paralysis. They even successfully cloned a sheep using these cells, which is a confirmed milestone in global medicine.
CNN was recently talking about all this scientific progress and stem cell breakthroughs coming out of the Middle East, specifically pointing out the Royan Research Institute in Iran:
"One of the most cutting-edge and successful stem cell research centers is located in Iran. In this facility, they’re hitting the absolute peak of what science can achieve through proper application."
If you actually bother to look at medical journals on various international sites, it’s pretty obvious how much weight Iranian medical professionals are carrying right now. Just last year, there were over 4,000 medical papers published online by experts from Iran.
Some of the heavy hitters include their work on the IMOD drug, which basically bolsters the human immune system against the deadly HIV virus. This stuff has been vetted by top-tier global scientists and MDs; it boosts patient resistance to HIV's nasty side effects and helps people living with AIDS stick around longer. Then, back on February 3rd, Iranian scientists rolled out a new diabetes treatment. There's this Anjipar cream used for healing wounds and sores on diabetic patients' feet, which is a huge deal because it cuts down the need for amputations. On top of that, doctors in Iran are pulling off incredibly complex surgeries on brains, spines, hearts, and eyes. Honestly, when it comes to medicine, Iran is sitting at number one in the Middle East.
But maybe the biggest win—and probably the most controversial if you ask the wrong people—is what their scientists are doing in humanitarian nuclear technology. They managed to push this tech forward even while dealing with massive threats and all that political and economic pressure from Western governments, especially the US. It feels like the West wants a total monopoly on this kind of tech, casting doubt on any new nation that tries to start a nuclear program. But the Iranian nuclear program is strictly for peaceful purposes—that's what the countless reports from the International Atomic Energy Agency and even recent US intelligence briefings suggest.
The whole point of using Iran's nuclear tech is to produce fuel for nuclear power plants. The Islamic Republic of Iran has a very specific roadmap for building nuclear plants and generating electricity, so they're trying to be self-sufficient with their fuel supply. Back in April 2007, President Ahmadinejad officially announced that Iran was moving into the industrial production phase of nuclear fuel. It hasn't been easy—years of grinding work under brutal Western sanctions—but Iran has used its own internal capacity to make some seriously impressive strides in nuclear tech development.
These Iranian researchers have also found ways to use nuclear technology and radioactive materials to treat various diseases. They use these materials for diagnostics too, helping pinpoint specific illnesses. Beyond that, nuclear tech has wide-ranging uses in pharma, livestock, plant genetics, agriculture, and more.
Building launch sites for rockets and satellites is just the latest scientific feat being pulled off by these experts.

All this growth and these wins have happened under the shadow of the Islamic Revolution, leaning on Allah, fueled by grassroots solidarity and the leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

analogfalcon38:
Alright friends, take a little stroll through the Iranian capital:

Tehran
nimbleranger19 nimbleranger19 Member
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#35 ·
Look, nobody's out here claiming they aren't a developing nation or pretending they don't have TVs and modern gadgets. My only real question is where you're getting this idea that Iranians graduate more students every year than we do in the States. Obviously, if you're looking at percentages, it might look different, but let's be real—the quality just isn't on the same level. American universities are leagues ahead of anything coming out of Iran.

BTW, building satellites, rockets, and messing around with nanotechnology isn't some magic yardstick for actual progress. It’s basically just burning through massive piles of cash. The rockets the Iranians are launching today are pretty much what the West was using fifty years ago, so they aren't exactly cutting-edge technology.
analogfalcon38 analogfalcon38 Member
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#36 ·
nimbleranger19 said:Look, nobody's out here claiming they aren't a developing nation or pretending they don't have TVs and modern gadgets. My only real question is where you're getting this idea that Iranians graduate more students every year than we do in the States. Obviously, if you're looking at percentages, it might look different, but let's be real—the quality just isn't on the same level. American universities are leagues ahead of anything coming out of Iran.

BTW, building satellites, rockets, and messing around with nanotechnology isn't some magic yardstick for actual progress. It’s basically just burning through massive piles of cash. The rockets the Iranians are launching today are pretty much what the West was using fifty years ago, so they aren't exactly cutting-edge technology.

I never even mentioned Western countries!!

analogfalcon38 said:Looking at the percentages, I’m pretty sure the Islamic Republic of Iran actually has more highly educated people than a lot of the countries in the European Union.


analogfalcon38 said:Looking at the percentages, I’m pretty sure the Islamic Republic of Iran actually has more highly educated people than a lot of the countries in the European Union.

Never!!
A doctor who gets their training in Iran is definitely going to be much more skilled in their field than some colleague trained out West.

And I'm saying that from personal experience. When I say "personal experience," I mean the sheer incompetence I've seen from doctors in the West.
nimbleranger19 nimbleranger19 Member
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#37 ·
analogfalcon38 said:I never even mentioned Western countries!!

Never!!
A doctor who gets their training in Iran is definitely going to be much more skilled in their field than some colleague trained out West.

And I'm saying that from personal experience. When I say "personal experience," I mean the sheer incompetence I've seen from doctors in the West.

The EU is part of the West, man.

analogfalcon38 said:I never even mentioned Western countries!!

Never!!
A doctor who gets their training in Iran is definitely going to be much more skilled in their field than some colleague trained out West.

And I'm saying that from personal experience. When I say "personal experience," I mean the sheer incompetence I've seen from doctors in the West.

What kind of cluelessness are we talking about here? What are you even on about?

I'm looking at the list of top 500 universities right now, and not a single one is from Iran.☕
Good thing your opinion doesn't actually carry any weight in the scientific community.☕
silenteagle11 silenteagle11 Member
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#38 ·
@my friend home😉

-Theologians, religious zealots, exorcists, and high-level witch hunters aren't exactly classified as elite intellectuals in the West😢, so I suppose that explains why you guys are seeing such a massive brain drain😁.

-I’d love to see an actual link regarding this supposed Iranian supercomputer because I am extremely skeptical that anything remotely similar even exists. 🙄 Iranians can put together a decent PC—maybe something with dual quad-core processors, four drives in RAID-0, and 16GB of RAM👍—but manufacturing those components themselves? They could probably manage that in about five hundred years. 🤣👍 Take my word for it😉.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active Member
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#39 ·
nimbleranger19 said:You don't get it—what did they actually *invent*?
I'm not talking about just buying existing tech and putting it to work, like computers, or making tiny tweaks to a bone fixator or winning various trophies.

What did they create from scratch that hasn't existed before?

How have they actually moved the needle for science?

What exactly did the Dutch, Spaniards, Japanese, or Italians come up with this time?
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active Member
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#40 ·
nimbleranger19 said:Look, nobody's out here claiming they aren't a developing nation or pretending they don't have TVs and modern gadgets. My only real question is where you're getting this idea that Iranians graduate more students every year than we do in the States. Obviously, if you're looking at percentages, it might look different, but let's be real—the quality just isn't on the same level. American universities are leagues ahead of anything coming out of Iran.

BTW, building satellites, rockets, and messing around with nanotechnology isn't some magic yardstick for actual progress. It’s basically just burning through massive piles of cash. The rockets the Iranians are launching today are pretty much what the West was using fifty years ago, so they aren't exactly cutting-edge technology.

So, I'm dying to know: what "profoundly intelligent" logic led you to the conclusion that Western universities are better than Iranian ones?
By what metric? Just tell me. Give me some actual arguments. Explain the curricula. Compare Imperial College London to one in Tehran—show me the differences. Since you're throwing out such heavy accusations, I assume you actually stand by them.

BTW, building satellites, rockets, and nanotechnology isn't a measure of progress. It's just piles of cash.

Didn't you—or some other Iranophobe—claim they had no money? Pick a side here.
And finally, what defines "progress"? This part really interests me: let's hear the official definition from His Intelligence, nimbleranger19.

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