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Participants Sarah Newman2Henry Cox78Bryan Sanchez86Raymond BaileyMichael Perez28Noah Clarkdriftingdrivergoldensailor15Maria BoothRichard Wilson4Nathan JacksonBrandon Rodriguez17Anthony Gonzalez25Nancy Campbell4Jack Cook73mellowharbor18granitemarlin4ruggedpanther13Alexander Garcia5irontiger29
Sarah Newman2 Sarah Newman2 MemberOP
11 messages
joined May 2008
#1 ·
"We represent the Native American sovereignty movement within the Sioux Indian reservations spanning Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana—people who have endured systemic cultural and physical genocide under the oppressive colonial apartheid system we've been forced to endure."

http://republicoflakotah.com

Will they finally secure what has always been rightfully theirs? And why is the United Nations staying silent on this?

We stand with them!
👍
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
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joined Apr 2011
#2 ·
This is a super sensitive topic. On one hand, we don't want to mess with our relationship with the USA, but on the other, the Lakota people totally deserve independence after everything they've dealt with from the US government. Sadly, the last round of talks fell through because the Lakota wouldn't settle for just more autonomy when they're pushing for full sovereignty. America should probably stick to the stance most European Union countries are taking. There’s no rush to jump in with recognition, though it would be smart to hang out with the crew of nations that step up first. The Lakota people won't forget who stood by them right out of the gate. Plus, we can't ignore the interests of American companies already working there—recognizing them would basically open the floodgates to a massive multi-million person market.
Bryan Sanchez86 Bryan Sanchez86 Active Member
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joined Dec 2004
#3 ·
I'm a bit confused—what's this thread even doing in a subforum dedicated to American politics?

Maybe take a second to actually look around the forum and check out the rules before just posting whatever comes to mind.

This belongs somewhere else.
Raymond Bailey Raymond Bailey Member
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joined Jul 2014
#4 ·
Hm... honestly, I find it hard to believe they’ll pull that off. There are still plenty of tribes out there who might just demand their own sovereign territory—take the Cejeni, the Sioux, the Cherokee, the Apache (if there are any left, really), the Soson, the Iroquois, and God knows who else.
Michael Perez28 Michael Perez28 Newcomer
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joined May 2008
#5 ·
The USA is an indivisible union of states—that was settled back during the American Civil War—so this one little attempt to break away from the US isn't going to fly.
Noah Clark Noah Clark Newcomer
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joined May 2008
#6 ·
Michael Perez28 said:The USA is an indivisible union of states—that was settled back during the American Civil War—so this one little attempt to break away from the US isn't going to fly.

Where are you getting that from? You’ve got it wrong. Any state in the USA can choose to secede if the majority of its people decide to go that route.
Then again, the situation regarding the secession of specific groups (like the Lakota) is a completely different matter.
driftingdriver driftingdriver Active Member
62 messages
joined Jul 2010
#7 ·
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Lakotah

The Native American sovereignty movement actually brings together several different tribes. I suppose the real advantage here is that they’re operating within such a compact territory, which at least provides some kind of foundational structure for everything else.
goldensailor15 goldensailor15 Active Member
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joined Jan 2010
#8 ·
If you try to break off some specific state that was built solely on capital and nothing else... it just isn't going to work.
Maria Booth Maria Booth Active Member
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joined Sep 2014
#9 ·
If the South wasn't allowed to break away, some Lakota definitely won't be taking that lightly.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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joined Sep 2009
#10 ·
I honestly think we should just carve out four or five new states in the Midwest instead of dealing with all these Native American Reservations, especially since they'd end up being the majority there anyway...
Nathan Jackson Nathan Jackson Newcomer
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joined May 2008
#11 ·
So, when exactly does the split happen?
Brandon Rodriguez17 Brandon Rodriguez17 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2007
#12 ·
Henry Cox78 said:This is a super sensitive topic. On one hand, we don't want to mess with our relationship with the USA, but on the other, the Lakota people totally deserve independence after everything they've dealt with from the US government. Sadly, the last round of talks fell through because the Lakota wouldn't settle for just more autonomy when they're pushing for full sovereignty. America should probably stick to the stance most European Union countries are taking. There’s no rush to jump in with recognition, though it would be smart to hang out with the crew of nations that step up first. The Lakota people won't forget who stood by them right out of the gate. Plus, we can't ignore the interests of American companies already working there—recognizing them would basically open the floodgates to a massive multi-million person market.

🤣😂🤣😂
Anthony Gonzalez25 Anthony Gonzalez25 Member
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joined Apr 2008
#13 ·
I'm not down with splitting the Lakota away from the USA. That would be totally one-sided and illegal.
Sarah Newman2 Sarah Newman2 MemberOP
11 messages
joined May 2008
#14 ·
Anthony Gonzalez25 said:I'm not down with splitting the Lakota away from the USA. That would be totally one-sided and illegal.

An illegal move?
Nancy Campbell4 Nancy Campbell4 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2007
#15 ·
So, is there a push for full independence, or are we talking about staying within the USA? That’s the big question. Honestly, I don't lose much sleep over state lines within the US—I know where everything is, but it's not my main concern. However, if Native Americans want their own sovereign nation, they should get it, and the US should be among the first to recognize it. 😁
Jack Cook73 Jack Cook73 Member
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joined Jul 2016
#16 ·
I could honestly just head down to Dayton myself and draft up a whole new agreement. My proposal? Let’s establish a federal entity within the USA—something functioning like an autonomous entity—and we'll call it the Republic of America.
mellowharbor18 mellowharbor18 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2020
#17 ·
I am fully behind the Native American cause. 👍 However, I have to be honest—their vision feels purely utopian. There isn't even a theoretical path toward seceding from the USA. They simply lack the military might and the economic leverage required for such a feat, not to mention being vastly outnumbered.
Furthermore, it’s highly unlikely that the international community would step in to back them against the US in a conflict like this. I fear we might just see another tragedy like Wounded Knee, which wouldn't actually move the needle on improving the status of Native Americans within the country.
From a moral standpoint, they have every right to take a stand, but in reality, the law tends to favor those with the most power.
granitemarlin4 granitemarlin4 Member
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joined Nov 2008
#18 ·
It feels pretty absurd to be sitting here debating the rights of the oldest, most authentic Native American nations—especially when the very people who subdued them aren't even giving a second thought to indigenous autonomy within the states. Meanwhile, they’re busy lecturing the entire world about freedom of choice, democracy, and human rights. It’s quite the contradiction, isn't it?

The USA hasn't exactly been letting anyone out of its grip so far, and their whole vibe has always been about expansion... honestly, I highly doubt any kind of separation from the USA could have ever been achieved through peaceful means.
ruggedpanther13 ruggedpanther13 Member
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joined Nov 2014
#19 ·
Henry Cox78 said:This is a super sensitive topic. On one hand, we don't want to mess with our relationship with the USA, but on the other, the Lakota people totally deserve independence after everything they've dealt with from the US government. Sadly, the last round of talks fell through because the Lakota wouldn't settle for just more autonomy when they're pushing for full sovereignty. America should probably stick to the stance most European Union countries are taking. There’s no rush to jump in with recognition, though it would be smart to hang out with the crew of nations that step up first. The Lakota people won't forget who stood by them right out of the gate. Plus, we can't ignore the interests of American companies already working there—recognizing them would basically open the floodgates to a massive multi-million person market.

Oh, please. We’re talking about a population of maybe twenty thousand Lakota people. 🤣

What kind of emperor are you talking about? 🤣
mellowharbor18 mellowharbor18 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2020
#20 ·
ruggedpanther13 said:Oh, please. We’re talking about a population of maybe twenty thousand Lakota people. 🤣

What kind of emperor are you talking about? 🤣

More like forty thousand, but you get my point. 😁 😉

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