Islamic Work Ethics

Larry Turner3 said:Venice, Florence, and (much later) the Netherlands ACTED AS MIDDLEMEN in trade, dealing with goods and raw materials from Western and Northern Europe and selling them wherever needed—including sourcing items from the East (like spices and silk). To claim that Europe was backward or inferior to the East during the Middle Ages and beyond is simply untrue.
The truth is that people from the East were skilled in certain crafts, and Semites are very capable and intelligent people; you see this in their early maritime history, their trade expansion, and so on. No one is questioning that.

But, the Middle Ages and antiquity are in the past. Today, the East has become synonymous with stagnation and primitivism, where much of the population remains illiterate and easily manipulated. They adopted a faith that suited the era in which it was born, but it hasn't evolved or adapted to the modern age since then. In fact, it is one of the primary reasons for this stagnation (both economically and spiritually). We might say today that Islam has become synonymous with poverty, primitivism, and even violence, because, realistically, much of the non-Muslim world fears Islam, or rather, its extremism.

Furthermore, you talk about Palestinians in university as if someone questioned Palestinian intelligence, but you haven't; the title of this topic is work ethic, not IQ. But if you want to go there, we can. The people with the most Nobel laureates (relative to their total population) are Jews, mostly Ashkenazi, whom many claim are descendants of the Turkish Khazar tribe mixed with Europeans. So perhaps they aren't even true Semites, but just think of Einstein, Freud, Spinoza, and Marx, and try to find a Palestinian Muslim equivalent...🤷

And why are "Levantines" known among Arabs as being highly capable? Here is a hint: the Mediterranean Sea. For ages, they have lived on the coast. It is only natural that they set out upon it very early, and they were lucky enough that the Mediterranean basin was practically designed for interaction and trade with others!

One more thing, please don't use images of hotels in Dubai or similar as examples of Arab progress. Getting rich off oil or pyramids built by another race thousands of years ago isn't exactly a sign of high work ethic.

Should we just ignore how various Western powers got rich through colonization, stripping resources from others for hundreds of years, enslavement, and even genocide? That's just great.
It’s honestly embarrassing that you don't see that. 😉

Bryan Anderson4 said:Should we just ignore how various Western powers got rich through colonization, stripping resources from others for hundreds of years, enslavement, and even genocide? That's just great.
It’s honestly embarrassing that you don't see that. 😉

I am aware of that. However, the West was able to do it because they were technologically superior for centuries compared to the tribes they displaced and exploited. Of course, I condemn those actions. But since we are discussing work ethic, that quality certainly lies with the Protestants who carried out most of those actions (excluding Spain and Portugal, which aren't really relevant on the global political stage today).
So, I can admit that my white Christian brothers did great evil to Native Americans, Black people, Indians, and so on. When will you all admit that your Turkish Arab Muslim brothers did the exact same thing (just without that part regarding centuries of technological progress 🙂)?

Larry Turner3 said:I am aware of that. However, the West was able to do it because they were technologically superior for centuries compared to the tribes they displaced and exploited. Of course, I condemn those actions. But since we are discussing work ethic, that quality certainly lies with the Protestants who carried out most of those actions (excluding Spain and Portugal, which aren't really relevant on the global political stage today).
So, I can admit that my white Christian brothers did great evil to Native Americans, Black people, Indians, and so on. When will you all admit that your Turkish Arab Muslim brothers did the exact same thing (just without that part regarding centuries of technological progress 🙂)?

Our multi-colored brothers did things too, but never on the scale or for the duration that you guys did and still do. As far as I know, that kind of thing isn't even a thing in our part of the world anymore.

And one more thing: Why are you talking in the past tense? Your white Christian brothers are still doing that same evil today.
It’s easy to apologize for the past—I mean, damn, those were our ancestors; we couldn't change what happened back then or judge it by modern standards. But today, while you're still doing the same things... 😲
Maybe you aren't actually sorry for the past or the present, seeing as you won't even condemn it. It's just like how you view progress, technology, and democracy today ☕

Bryan Anderson4 said:Our multi-colored brothers did things too, but never on the scale or for the duration that you guys did and still do. As far as I know, that kind of thing isn't even a thing in our part of the world anymore.

And one more thing: Why are you talking in the past tense? Your white Christian brothers are still doing that same evil today.
It’s easy to apologize for the past—I mean, damn, those were our ancestors; we couldn't change what happened back then or judge it by modern standards. But today, while you're still doing the same things... 😲
Maybe you aren't actually sorry for the past or the present, seeing as you won't even condemn it. It's just like how you view progress, technology, and democracy today ☕

Aha, so the Armenian genocide, much like the far more current genocide against the Kurds (who consider themselves Aryan), wasn't committed by multi-colored Muslims. OK. I see where you are coming from.
And yes, the slave trade started earlier and was just as acceptable to the Arab conquerors of North Africa, so... your hands aren't clean there either.
Beyond that, I despise the people who slaughtered Native Americans, I despise those who enslaved Africa, and I despise those who took our boys to serve in the Janissary corps. But I recognize they all did it for one reason: profit.

If things are so much better for you in that progressive and tolerant Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq, or Turkey, then maybe you should just stay there.

Larry Turner3 said:Aha, so the Armenian genocide, much like the far more current genocide against the Kurds (who consider themselves Aryan), wasn't committed by multi-colored Muslims. OK. I see where you are coming from.
And yes, the slave trade started earlier and was just as acceptable to the Arab conquerors of North Africa, so... your hands aren't clean there either.
Beyond that, I despise the people who slaughtered Native Americans, I despise those who enslaved Africa, and I despise those who took our boys to serve in the Janissary corps. But I recognize they all did it for one reason: profit.

If things are so much better for you in that progressive and tolerant Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq, or Turkey, then maybe you should just stay there.

Oh, so World Wars were led by us "multi-color" folks, right? 😉
I'm not interested in talking about the past. That’s why I said it before: we were never like you—God forbid—because you still haven't learned a thing from it. You really need to realize that you learn from your mistakes.

We’re doing fine wherever we land and wherever we feel it’s best for us. We don't worry about some imaginary political borders; God made the world for people to live in, and wherever we end up, we make it work.
Don't get so caught up in being racist; you know that doesn't lead to anything good in the long run. ☕

Bryan Anderson4 said:Oh, so World Wars were led by us "multi-color" folks, right? 😉
I'm not interested in talking about the past. That’s why I said it before: we were never like you—God forbid—because you still haven't learned a thing from it. You really need to realize that you learn from your mistakes.

We’re doing fine wherever we land and wherever we feel it’s best for us. We don't worry about some imaginary political borders; God made the world for people to live in, and wherever we end up, we make it work.
Don't get so caught up in being racist; you know that doesn't lead to anything good in the long run. ☕

Everyone was involved in those World Wars, including Muslims. Maybe try picking up a history book once in a while.

Bryan Anderson4 said:Oh, so World Wars were led by us "multi-color" folks, right? 😉
I'm not interested in talking about the past. That’s why I said it before: we were never like you—God forbid—because you still haven't learned a thing from it. You really need to realize that you learn from your mistakes.

We’re doing fine wherever we land and wherever we feel it’s best for us. We don't worry about some imaginary political borders; God made the world for people to live in, and wherever we end up, we make it work.
Don't get so caught up in being racist; you know that doesn't lead to anything good in the long run. ☕

Man, that's just not true. Not even close. That's exactly why everyone is so obsessed with tearing down other countries—just so they can swallow them up into their own endless borders.🤣

Bryan Anderson4 said:Oh, so World Wars were led by us "multi-color" folks, right? 😉
I'm not interested in talking about the past. That’s why I said it before: we were never like you—God forbid—because you still haven't learned a thing from it. You really need to realize that you learn from your mistakes.

We’re doing fine wherever we land and wherever we feel it’s best for us. We don't worry about some imaginary political borders; God made the world for people to live in, and wherever we end up, we make it work.
Don't get so caught up in being racist; you know that doesn't lead to anything good in the long run. ☕

Just another genius who thinks he can exploit the planet forever just because he feels like it. This is exactly why Muslims are in such a mess. You've got a billion of you living in an area that could barely support half that number if it weren't for those oil reserves making up most of your exports.

Bryan Anderson4 said:Oh, so World Wars were led by us "multi-color" folks, right? 😉
I'm not interested in talking about the past. That’s why I said it before: we were never like you—God forbid—because you still haven't learned a thing from it. You really need to realize that you learn from your mistakes.

We’re doing fine wherever we land and wherever we feel it’s best for us. We don't worry about some imaginary political borders; God made the world for people to live in, and wherever we end up, we make it work.
Don't get so caught up in being racist; you know that doesn't lead to anything good in the long run. ☕

And a Muslim is lecturing me about racism.🤣

Maybe take a closer look at that holy book of yours, and then you might see how many contradictions are actually in there.

Bryan Anderson4 said:Oh, so World Wars were led by us "multi-color" folks, right? 😉
I'm not interested in talking about the past. That’s why I said it before: we were never like you—God forbid—because you still haven't learned a thing from it. You really need to realize that you learn from your mistakes.

We’re doing fine wherever we land and wherever we feel it’s best for us. We don't worry about some imaginary political borders; God made the world for people to live in, and wherever we end up, we make it work.
Don't get so caught up in being racist; you know that doesn't lead to anything good in the long run. ☕

The World Wars started in Europe, among "us," and Muslims participated quite zealously (the Handschar Division is just one example). You could even say how certain Muslims sent letters to Hitler explaining they were of Gothic descent—true Aryans who deserved their own state and national identity...
And please, do not be hypocritical. The first examples that come to mind (the Armenians and Kurds) clearly contradict your claims about the "clean hands" of Islam. It seems you just didn't want to comment on that, but fine... there is no way to justify it anyway. It is just like they say: looking for a speck in someone else's eye while ignoring the log in your own.
I still don't see how your nostalgic posts relate to the lack of work ethic among Muslims—or to be more precise, Islam. I suppose it is because Muslims born into Western culture for generations show signs of adaptation and liberalization.
What concerns me is how slow that process is, especially with the influx of new Muslim immigrants who cling rigidly to their faith for the first few generations. In this instance, I suppose I am grateful for human greed, as it successfully encourages them to "adapt."

Everyone was involved in the World Wars, including Muslims. You should probably brush up on your history.

We were, sure—a tiny minority, but we were some of the best fighters out there 😉
Glaveshine, on the other hand, were just "one of us." 😛

Not at all. That’s exactly why they want to destroy other nations—so they can just fold them into their own endless empire.

Exactly. We're talking about dismantling foreign territories through terrorism against other countries—basically barging into someone else's backyard, invading, and forcing "democracy" on them. What kind of "Muslim" country does that? It's the same playbook used by Israel and the USA. 😠 🙂

Just another genius who thinks he can exploit a country as long as he feels like it. That's why Muslims are in such deep trouble.

Your Mother is in deep trouble ☕

A Muslim is talking about racism. 🤣

If you actually read your own holy Book, you'd see how many contradictions are packed in there.

Should we start with the Talmud or the Old Testament? ☕

Larry Turner3 said:The World Wars started in Europe, among "us," and Muslims participated quite zealously (the Handschar Division is just one example). You could even say how certain Muslims sent letters to Hitler explaining they were of Gothic descent—true Aryans who deserved their own state and national identity...
And please, do not be hypocritical. The first examples that come to mind (the Armenians and Kurds) clearly contradict your claims about the "clean hands" of Islam. It seems you just didn't want to comment on that, but fine... there is no way to justify it anyway. It is just like they say: looking for a speck in someone else's eye while ignoring the log in your own.
I still don't see how your nostalgic posts relate to the lack of work ethic among Muslims—or to be more precise, Islam. I suppose it is because Muslims born into Western culture for generations show signs of adaptation and liberalization.
What concerns me is how slow that process is, especially with the influx of new Muslim immigrants who cling rigidly to their faith for the first few generations. In this instance, I suppose I am grateful for human greed, as it successfully encourages them to "adapt."

The Handžar Division NEVER targeted civilians the way the local militias did back then. Don't forget that, and if you're telling the truth, provide evidence to the contrary.
As for sending letters to Hitler to seek our own sovereignty, I didn't know that, but if it's true, more power to them. We asked the Turks for the same thing during the Ottoman Empire and they wouldn't give it to us. What's wrong with that? I only see something positive there. I mean, wasn't that exactly what the local nationalists tried to do under Hitler, attempting to create a Greater America? If we had succeeded back then, things would be very different today.

I already commented on the "clean hands" part; go back and re-read my previous post, otherwise, I'll have to call you a liar. ☕

A Muslim isn't someone who abandons their faith. That would be sinking to your level. Money is obviously important, but it's never more important than faith. I see that bothers you, but it doesn't bother me that you feel that way.
Just try to adapt. ☕

Bryan Anderson4 said:Oh, so World Wars were led by us "multi-color" folks, right? 😉
I'm not interested in talking about the past. That’s why I said it before: we were never like you—God forbid—because you still haven't learned a thing from it. You really need to realize that you learn from your mistakes.

We’re doing fine wherever we land and wherever we feel it’s best for us. We don't worry about some imaginary political borders; God made the world for people to live in, and wherever we end up, we make it work.
Don't get so caught up in being racist; you know that doesn't lead to anything good in the long run. ☕

At the end of the day, religion isn't the same thing as race🙄

Bryan Anderson4 said:The Handžar Division NEVER targeted civilians the way the local militias did back then. Don't forget that, and if you're telling the truth, provide evidence to the contrary.
As for sending letters to Hitler to seek our own sovereignty, I didn't know that, but if it's true, more power to them. We asked the Turks for the same thing during the Ottoman Empire and they wouldn't give it to us. What's wrong with that? I only see something positive there. I mean, wasn't that exactly what the local nationalists tried to do under Hitler, attempting to create a Greater America? If we had succeeded back then, things would be very different today.

I already commented on the "clean hands" part; go back and re-read my previous post, otherwise, I'll have to call you a liar. ☕

A Muslim isn't someone who abandons their faith. That would be sinking to your level. Money is obviously important, but it's never more important than faith. I see that bothers you, but it doesn't bother me that you feel that way.
Just try to adapt. ☕

Oh sure, the holy Handzar Division, wandering around handing out bread to the poor. 😍
As for the Hitler situation, I know you find him appealing because he was "solving" the Jew problem, which is why you carry "God bless Hitler" signs. That says a lot about your "religion of peace" and your double standards.
And you didn't comment on the Armenian or Kurdish genocides, nor did you mention the enslavement of Black people, especially since it is well known that Black Africa was the preferred source of slaves for Arabs (more double standards). Or perhaps I am just blind and cannot find the post where you mention Armenians and Kurds, or maybe you are apologizing to the white people killed by Turks/Arabs on behalf of your own people.
Please, do not make this personal. You clearly haven't understood what my "level" is or what bothers me, and I don't think you can.
Just accept the fact that there are Muslims who don't veil women, don't blow up mosques, don't pour acid on people, and do eat pork.

Bryan Anderson4 said:

Everyone was involved in the World Wars, including Muslims. You should probably brush up on your history.

We were, sure—a tiny minority, but we were some of the best fighters out there 😉
Glaveshine, on the other hand, were just "one of us." 😛

Not at all. That’s exactly why they want to destroy other nations—so they can just fold them into their own endless empire.

Exactly. We're talking about dismantling foreign territories through terrorism against other countries—basically barging into someone else's backyard, invading, and forcing "democracy" on them. What kind of "Muslim" country does that? It's the same playbook used by Israel and the USA. 😠 🙂

Just another genius who thinks he can exploit a country as long as he feels like it. That's why Muslims are in such deep trouble.

Your Mother is in deep trouble ☕

A Muslim is talking about racism. 🤣

If you actually read your own holy Book, you'd see how many contradictions are packed in there.

Should we start with the Talmud or the Old Testament? ☕

🤣🤣🤣

Iraq-Iran, Iraq-Kuwait, Syria-Lebanon, Turkey-Iraq, Libya-Chad, ...

Bryan Anderson4 said:

Everyone was involved in the World Wars, including Muslims. You should probably brush up on your history.

We were, sure—a tiny minority, but we were some of the best fighters out there 😉
Glaveshine, on the other hand, were just "one of us." 😛

Not at all. That’s exactly why they want to destroy other nations—so they can just fold them into their own endless empire.

Exactly. We're talking about dismantling foreign territories through terrorism against other countries—basically barging into someone else's backyard, invading, and forcing "democracy" on them. What kind of "Muslim" country does that? It's the same playbook used by Israel and the USA. 😠 🙂

Just another genius who thinks he can exploit a country as long as he feels like it. That's why Muslims are in such deep trouble.

Your Mother is in deep trouble ☕

A Muslim is talking about racism. 🤣

If you actually read your own holy Book, you'd see how many contradictions are packed in there.

Should we start with the Talmud or the Old Testament? ☕

When you're only built for the front lines, the fools are the ones dying while the smart people decide when it's actually time to go.

Bryan Anderson4 said:

Everyone was involved in the World Wars, including Muslims. You should probably brush up on your history.

We were, sure—a tiny minority, but we were some of the best fighters out there 😉
Glaveshine, on the other hand, were just "one of us." 😛

Not at all. That’s exactly why they want to destroy other nations—so they can just fold them into their own endless empire.

Exactly. We're talking about dismantling foreign territories through terrorism against other countries—basically barging into someone else's backyard, invading, and forcing "democracy" on them. What kind of "Muslim" country does that? It's the same playbook used by Israel and the USA. 😠 🙂

Just another genius who thinks he can exploit a country as long as he feels like it. That's why Muslims are in such deep trouble.

Your Mother is in deep trouble ☕

A Muslim is talking about racism. 🤣

If you actually read your own holy Book, you'd see how many contradictions are packed in there.

Should we start with the Talmud or the Old Testament? ☕

🤣
Of course. That's why every single Islamic government is constantly pushing for the destruction of Western nations.

Bryan Anderson4 said:

Everyone was involved in the World Wars, including Muslims. You should probably brush up on your history.

We were, sure—a tiny minority, but we were some of the best fighters out there 😉
Glaveshine, on the other hand, were just "one of us." 😛

Not at all. That’s exactly why they want to destroy other nations—so they can just fold them into their own endless empire.

Exactly. We're talking about dismantling foreign territories through terrorism against other countries—basically barging into someone else's backyard, invading, and forcing "democracy" on them. What kind of "Muslim" country does that? It's the same playbook used by Israel and the USA. 😠 🙂

Just another genius who thinks he can exploit a country as long as he feels like it. That's why Muslims are in such deep trouble.

Your Mother is in deep trouble ☕

A Muslim is talking about racism. 🤣

If you actually read your own holy Book, you'd see how many contradictions are packed in there.

Should we start with the Talmud or the Old Testament? ☕

🙄

Bryan Anderson4 said:

Everyone was involved in the World Wars, including Muslims. You should probably brush up on your history.

We were, sure—a tiny minority, but we were some of the best fighters out there 😉
Glaveshine, on the other hand, were just "one of us." 😛

Not at all. That’s exactly why they want to destroy other nations—so they can just fold them into their own endless empire.

Exactly. We're talking about dismantling foreign territories through terrorism against other countries—basically barging into someone else's backyard, invading, and forcing "democracy" on them. What kind of "Muslim" country does that? It's the same playbook used by Israel and the USA. 😠 🙂

Just another genius who thinks he can exploit a country as long as he feels like it. That's why Muslims are in such deep trouble.

Your Mother is in deep trouble ☕

A Muslim is talking about racism. 🤣

If you actually read your own holy Book, you'd see how many contradictions are packed in there.

Should we start with the Talmud or the Old Testament? ☕

Both are full of weirdness, but unlike Muslims who take the Quran literally, Jews and Christians are a bit more evolved on that front.

nimbleranger19 said:When you're only built for the front lines, the fools are the ones dying while the smart people decide when it's actually time to go.

🤣
Of course. That's why every single Islamic government is constantly pushing for the destruction of Western nations.

🙄

Both are full of weirdness, but unlike Muslims who take the Quran literally, Jews and Christians are a bit more evolved on that front.

Right, so they're just picking and choosing which parts of the Book to actually believe in. 🤣😂

amberbison18 said:🤣🤣🤣

Iraq-Iran, Iraq-Kuwait, Syria-Lebanon, Turkey-Iraq, Libya-Chad, ...

The whole Iraq-Iran mess... just the US puppets going after Iran

Then you look at Iraq-Kuwait... basically an attempt to claw back what the West snatched away back in '66 through secession...

Or Syria-Lebanon... same thing, trying to reclaim territory because Lebanon is really just part of Syria, forcibly taken by force...

Turkey-Iraq... just settling scores with terrorists that the West basically set up themselves...

And Libya-Chad... just another puppet show playing out... and so on...

So, honestly, we don't have a single instance where a massive fleet sails halfway across the globe just to occupy a country based on nothing but pure lies...

I was watching some construction crews out in the Midwest working hard today—you definitely find some solid Muslim workers in there! It really just comes down to how they were raised, you know? Not everyone is cut from the same cloth.

Maria Booth said:I was watching some construction crews out in the Midwest working hard today—you definitely find some solid Muslim workers in there! It really just comes down to how they were raised, you know? Not everyone is cut from the same cloth.

Back in the day, the heavy hitters in the German construction industry were mostly Catholic Aryans coming over from places like America or Western Herzegovina. That was the trend then, and it’s pretty much stayed that way even now...👍

Jeffrey Miller6 said:Back in the day, the heavy hitters in the German construction industry were mostly Catholic Aryans coming over from places like America or Western Herzegovina. That was the trend then, and it’s pretty much stayed that way even now...👍

Oh, totally, but I also know those folks from Canada kept them company! And man, they definitely put in the work on the highway between Washington, D.C. and San Francisco—everyone says there were tons of them out there. I guess when you don't get paid like we do here in the States, you take what you can get, right? Since Hezbollah hasn't "liberated" them yet or whatever.🤣

Maria Booth said:Oh, totally, but I also know those folks from Canada kept them company! And man, they definitely put in the work on the highway between Washington, D.C. and San Francisco—everyone says there were tons of them out there. I guess when you don't get paid like we do here in the States, you take what you can get, right? Since Hezbollah hasn't "liberated" them yet or whatever.🤣

You really have to think about the future of our infrastructure because...
Like that Senator said... "with birth rates like this, who are we even building roads for?"
We all know exactly who...👍

Jeffrey Miller6 said:You really have to think about the future of our infrastructure because...
Like that Senator said... "with birth rates like this, who are we even building roads for?"
We all know exactly who...👍

As long as you're paying the tolls😬 — you're more than welcome here.👍