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mistygull21 said:When a technical government pops up in a country like the United States, it might not be a huge deal, but when you see this happening in Italy—a massive, wealthy, globally significant power—it feels incredibly unsettling.
And here’s another thing: when Italians vote for specific parties, they already know who is going to lead the government. You don't just pick a leader after the fact; the administration is formed based on those choices.
Honestly, given the tone you're using, I have zero interest in continuing this debate with you, but just so we're clear, I feel exactly the same way about you.
Oh, please, you don't need to argue with me—that would actually hurt my feelings, or maybe more than that... Let me lay it out for you again. A technical government still carries the support, or rather, the approval of Parliament, so legally speaking, it’s just as "elected" as any other setup, whether the PM is Silvio Berlusconi, Angela Merkel, Jadranka Kosor, or Mario Monti. All this chatter about people being "unelected" is just pure demagoguery and total nonsense!
Also, you claim that during Italian elections, "everyone knows who will be the PM"... Well, if everyone already knows, then why bother holding an election at all? Makes no sense... Seriously, it's nonsense! The truth is, nobody knows for sure!!! Someone labeled as a potential candidate for forming a government or a future PM is really just a *maybe*—they are nowhere near being a certainty! I distinctly remember from Italian political history how the Christian Democrats had to team up with the Socialists just to stay in power, but the Socialists insisted on their own guy. Because of that, the PM became a Socialist, Bettino Craxi... There is absolutely no doubt that the Christian Democrat voting base HAD NO CLUE...
We even have a recent example from Mexico where a representative from a minority party, the so-called Socialist Party of Mexico, Ivica Dačić, ended up becoming Prime Minister, even though NOBODY knew that was going to happen when the elections were taking place...
In parliamentary democracies, you NEVER know who the Prime Minister will be! Even if everyone assumes it'll be xy, that person hasn't been "chosen" yet; what gets chosen are the party lists and specific individuals (depending on the system, whether they are party members or independents), and the PM only emerges after the election of the Parliamentary Representative...
So, whether it's Berlusconi, Monti, or Cicciolina, it's all the same. Nobody is "elected" directly; they just get the backing of a majority of Parliamentary Representatives... In most parliamentary democracies out there, there is NO such thing as a direct election for a Prime Minister. So, calling Monti "unelected" isn't just silly, it's a flat-out lie, and lying is a bad look...
Just so I'm being clear, this whole complaining about Italy—this big, wealthy, whatever country—is nothing more than "crocodile tears." This supposedly grand, important nation has cycled through so many governments since 1945 that even the most successful high-end escort wouldn't be embarrassed by that many clients. Since 1945, Italy has had nearly sixty different governments!!! Hey, sixty!!!
The saving grace for Italy is that most of these governments were basically democratic circus acts—which, let's face it, is true for almost every "democracy"—so these "governments" still operated within a framework set by people you could actually call geniuses, folks who gave them actual direction and priorities... Just think about one of the most brilliant minds in history, the creator and father of Italian energy, the founder of the modern ENI, the genius strategist Enrico Mattei... Italy had plenty of people like him, and they are the real secret to its success. Everyone else in the "political science" and "elected" crowd? They were just stage actors, extras, socialites, and demagogues... Generally speaking... total trash...
