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Participants AJeremy Wilson3granitepilot282fadedeagle39Henry RobertsChristian Green37James Chase10hollownomad35mistycyclist5Ashley Rogers4Ryan Bailey78Morgan Rodriguez57goldentrucker17Richard Wilson4
goldentrucker17 goldentrucker17 Active Member
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joined Jul 2010
#21 ·
Ashley Rogers4 said:Well, it really depends on how you define democracy. At its core, democracy can just be rule by the mob—and honestly, we've seen that play out far too many times already.

A constitutional democracy is all about the rule of law, where the rules apply equally to everyone. That is exactly what the USA is. It's just that the radicals and the local traitors are working overtime to spin it as some kind of sacrilege.

I totally get why they do it, though. It’s their way of trying to strip away the power of the system (even if it also strips away the strength of their own arguments).

Man, maybe try actually looking up what these terms mean before you start spouting nonsense?
You’re claiming the USA is a constitutional democracy? What is that supposed to imply? That it’s a nation with a constitution and a democratic setup? There are easily over a hundred countries out there that fit that exact description.
So why wouldn't America be a constitutional democracy? We have elections and we have a constitution.😁
James Chase10 James Chase10 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2008
#22 ·
goldentrucker17 said:Man, maybe try actually looking up what these terms mean before you start spouting nonsense?
You’re claiming the USA is a constitutional democracy? What is that supposed to imply? That it’s a nation with a constitution and a democratic setup? There are easily over a hundred countries out there that fit that exact description.
So why wouldn't America be a constitutional democracy? We have elections and we have a constitution.😁

Oh sure, we’re absolutely perfect—even when we decide we aren't exactly going to "follow the law to the letter," right?😂
Ashley Rogers4 Ashley Rogers4 Member
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joined Jan 2004
#23 ·
goldentrucker17 said:Man, maybe try actually looking up what these terms mean before you start spouting nonsense?
You’re claiming the USA is a constitutional democracy? What is that supposed to imply? That it’s a nation with a constitution and a democratic setup? There are easily over a hundred countries out there that fit that exact description.
So why wouldn't America be a constitutional democracy? We have elections and we have a constitution.😁

Then what exactly is a PARLIAMENTARY democracy in your book?

Moses, tell your mom that I am NOT the one rambling here.
mistycyclist5 mistycyclist5 Active Member
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joined Jul 2010
#24 ·
Ashley Rogers4 said:Well, it really depends on how you define democracy. At its core, democracy can just be rule by the mob—and honestly, we've seen that play out far too many times already.

A constitutional democracy is all about the rule of law, where the rules apply equally to everyone. That is exactly what the USA is. It's just that the radicals and the local traitors are working overtime to spin it as some kind of sacrilege.

I totally get why they do it, though. It’s their way of trying to strip away the power of the system (even if it also strips away the strength of their own arguments).

You’re missing the point. If you look at where true democracy is actually lacking, you’ll find the USA—at least, not the version of it they try to sell to the rest of the world... and I say that from firsthand experience.

In America, if you don't have the money, you don't have rights!
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#25 ·
Ashley Rogers4 said:Well, it really depends on how you define democracy. At its core, democracy can just be rule by the mob—and honestly, we've seen that play out far too many times already.

A constitutional democracy is all about the rule of law, where the rules apply equally to everyone. That is exactly what the USA is. It's just that the radicals and the local traitors are working overtime to spin it as some kind of sacrilege.

I totally get why they do it, though. It’s their way of trying to strip away the power of the system (even if it also strips away the strength of their own arguments).

You might want to brush up on your history a bit—in the US, the whole system is actually designed to keep the general public from having direct control over the government, basically ensuring that power stays within the hands of the elite... it’s not even a secret if you look into books about the American electoral and administrative systems...

The American setup actually shares a lot of DNA with the Roman Republic—and even then, it was arguably much more democratic back then (with the tribunes and the comitia)—though it’s a stretch to call Rome a true democracy by today's standards... 😉
James Chase10 James Chase10 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2008
#26 ·
mistycyclist5 said:You’re missing the point. If you look at where true democracy is actually lacking, you’ll find the USA—at least, not the version of it they try to sell to the rest of the world... and I say that from firsthand experience.

In America, if you don't have the money, you don't have rights!

Honestly, why is that even surprising? And more importantly—how is that actually any different from how things work here?😕
Ashley Rogers4 Ashley Rogers4 Member
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joined Jan 2004
#27 ·
mistycyclist5 said:You’re missing the point. If you look at where true democracy is actually lacking, you’ll find the USA—at least, not the version of it they try to sell to the rest of the world... and I say that from firsthand experience.

In America, if you don't have the money, you don't have rights!

If you ask me, voting should actually be a paid privilege. But hey, nobody asked for my opinion, right? Haha!

Actually, think about it: people with money could just buy themselves a few extra votes. Meanwhile, those who can't even afford the basics (well, honestly, they brought that on themselves!) wouldn't have the power to vote in politicians who would just steal from the wealthy to hand out handouts.

Is that clear enough now?
Ashley Rogers4 Ashley Rogers4 Member
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joined Jan 2004
#28 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:You might want to brush up on your history a bit—in the US, the whole system is actually designed to keep the general public from having direct control over the government, basically ensuring that power stays within the hands of the elite... it’s not even a secret if you look into books about the American electoral and administrative systems...

The American setup actually shares a lot of DNA with the Roman Republic—and even then, it was arguably much more democratic back then (with the tribunes and the comitia)—though it’s a stretch to call Rome a true democracy by today's standards... 😉

Hey, I'm trying!

It’s just that books and Hollywood movies never quite capture the actual reality I'm living through.
Ashley Rogers4 Ashley Rogers4 Member
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joined Jan 2004
#29 ·
Jeremy Wilson3 Jeremy Wilson3 Member
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joined Aug 2007
#30 ·
Here we go again, back to the usual nonsense. There’s nothing more democratic than when the people finally send the elite out to be publicly shamed. Anything else is just noise.
Ashley Rogers4 Ashley Rogers4 Member
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joined Jan 2004
#31 ·
Jeremy Wilson3 said:Here we go again, back to the usual nonsense. There’s nothing more democratic than when the people finally send the elite out to be publicly shamed. Anything else is just noise.

I have to disagree!

The elites should be sent off to actually do something productive—like here in the States, where they end up walking along the highways picking up plastic bottles and trash while wearing those bright orange or striped safety vests.
James Chase10 James Chase10 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2008
#32 ·
Ashley Rogers4 said:If you ask me, voting should actually be a paid privilege. But hey, nobody asked for my opinion, right? Haha!

Actually, think about it: people with money could just buy themselves a few extra votes. Meanwhile, those who can't even afford the basics (well, honestly, they brought that on themselves!) wouldn't have the power to vote in politicians who would just steal from the wealthy to hand out handouts.

Is that clear enough now?

Look, I get it—certain things within ESAD are exactly what they appear to be. But why go all red-faced and shout about ESAD as if it's some isolated phenomenon? These issues apply to the rest of the world too, and certainly to a small player like the US.
Jeremy Wilson3 Jeremy Wilson3 Member
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joined Aug 2007
#33 ·
Take a look at this.

It looks like this guy wasn't paid what he was owed, so he decided to set himself on fire.

This is exactly why we're struggling. There’s this deep sense of defeatism everywhere. Honestly, who would actually feel sorry for him for doing this? No one. The people who cheated him probably wouldn't even give his story a second thought.

What we really need is a mental revolution—that moment where everyone just snaps and says, "Enough is enough! We aren't taking this anymore!" They strip people of their hard-earned money while CEOs cruise around in half-million-dollar luxury cars. Instead of self-destruction, we need real action against these gangs. That's the only way to deal with them. Total justice.

You see clergy abusing kids in orphanages while the government sits on its hands; people should just take matters into their own hands.

The justice system and the police are useless. Who else thinks they can help people in situations like this? It's time for citizens to step up and protect themselves.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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joined Sep 2009
#34 ·
granitepilot282 said:That goes without saying. But besides the elite, who else should we hang without a trial?

Are we fighting this on class lines, or is there a national angle too?🤣

As for our local tycoons, I'm all for it...
I don't really care if it's Hercegovac getting some factory handed to him by the Republican Party just to wreck it, or some Linićev guy from the Democratic Party...
Jeremy Wilson3 Jeremy Wilson3 Member
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joined Aug 2007
#35 ·
Jeremy Wilson3 said:I honestly feel like only our veterans have the power to actually spark change... but the folks in Washington know exactly where the threats are coming from, so they just throw them enough perks to keep them quiet and under control. ☕

Not the veterans. Nothing's going to come from them. Their patriotism clouds their judgment too much to see things clearly.

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