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goldensailor15 said:...definitely a much more solid point than that whining about how you're "denying them the right to exist," give me a break...
dustyranger64 said:Honestly, you just want to cry for those "helpless" and pathetic Israelis. I mean, come on! According to official stats, they’re the third most powerful military force on the planet, right behind the USA and Russia. Plus, they’ve got the CIA—arguably the toughest intel agency out there. And let’s not forget they’ve been the USA's biggest protectorate for about 15 years now (since '67, but especially lately). The US just keeps flooding them with endless cash and weapons. The only time they sent more money elsewhere was during those two years to Turkey to deal with their "problematic Kurds" (remember Bush saying that?), but even then, the support dropped fast once the Turks started complaining about US missiles being placed on their southern border. I guess Israel didn't mind being second in line for US aid for a couple of years, huh?
As for using the Holocaust as an excuse for 50 years of terror, even the Zionist leader Nachman Goldman—one of the actual founders of the Jewish state and the Zionist movement—said right before he died in 1982: "It is sacrilege to use the Holocaust as a pretext for the oppression of others." They actually disowned him publicly for being too honest and wouldn't even send a delegation to his funeral!
dustyranger64 said:Honestly, you just want to cry for those "helpless" and pathetic Israelis. I mean, come on! According to official stats, they’re the third most powerful military force on the planet, right behind the USA and Russia. Plus, they’ve got the CIA—arguably the toughest intel agency out there. And let’s not forget they’ve been the USA's biggest protectorate for about 15 years now (since '67, but especially lately). The US just keeps flooding them with endless cash and weapons. The only time they sent more money elsewhere was during those two years to Turkey to deal with their "problematic Kurds" (remember Bush saying that?), but even then, the support dropped fast once the Turks started complaining about US missiles being placed on their southern border. I guess Israel didn't mind being second in line for US aid for a couple of years, huh?
As for using the Holocaust as an excuse for 50 years of terror, even the Zionist leader Nachman Goldman—one of the actual founders of the Jewish state and the Zionist movement—said right before he died in 1982: "It is sacrilege to use the Holocaust as a pretext for the oppression of others." They actually disowned him publicly for being too honest and wouldn't even send a delegation to his funeral!
Olivia Sanders24 said:And what about the Chinese? Are they operating at the level of some tiny hunter-gatherer tribe in Small Town, USA? 🙄
Meanwhile, poor Egypt gets maybe 2 to 5 billion dollars a year—which I assume is basically pocket change to them, right?
And don't even get me started on the Saudis...
Olivia Sanders24 said:And what about the Chinese? Are they operating at the level of some tiny hunter-gatherer tribe in Small Town, USA? 🙄
Meanwhile, poor Egypt gets maybe 2 to 5 billion dollars a year—which I assume is basically pocket change to them, right?
And don't even get me started on the Saudis...
dustyranger64 said:Look, I didn't say that, but let's face it—they're playing second fiddle to Israel. Honestly, having a massive infantry isn't even the main driver of military power anymore. Besides, I'm not just making these numbers up out of thin air; I'm pulling them from legit global sources!
Look, nobody ever said the others aren't getting a dime. But let's be real—Israel is pulling in way more than everyone else combined. Seriously! You could take the entire African continent, including Egypt, and their total aid wouldn't even come close to what Israel receives. Just facts!
If you're a fan of hard numbers, you gotta check this out!
The Fateful Triangle: The USA, Israel, and the Palestinians.
If I recall correctly, people around here call that one the "Axis of Evil." You can find some heavy stuff on Hegemony versus survival in those two books by Noam Chomsky. Plus, there’s some solid data tucked away in that book by Uri Dan, the Mossad author.
Read more and listen to less of those Bush speeches! Seriously!
Paul Wells17 said:😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Another "expert" playing the Noam Chomsky role 😂 😂 😂 😂
dustyranger64 said:Right on... I mean, clearly this guy—who’s been one of the top three most respected intellectuals and geopolitical analysts on the planet for forty years straight, an actual scholar with enough degrees to fill a library (I'd bet my life savings he's got more honors than both of us combined), including 32 honorary doctorates—is obviously way less qualified to have an opinion than you are.
dustyranger64 said:Look, I didn't say that, but let's face it—they're playing second fiddle to Israel. Honestly, having a massive infantry isn't even the main driver of military power anymore. Besides, I'm not just making these numbers up out of thin air; I'm pulling them from legit global sources!
Look, nobody ever said the others aren't getting a dime. But let's be real—Israel is pulling in way more than everyone else combined. Seriously! You could take the entire African continent, including Egypt, and their total aid wouldn't even come close to what Israel receives. Just facts!
If you're a fan of hard numbers, you gotta check this out!
The Fateful Triangle: The USA, Israel, and the Palestinians.
If I recall correctly, people around here call that one the "Axis of Evil." You can find some heavy stuff on Hegemony versus survival in those two books by Noam Chomsky. Plus, there’s some solid data tucked away in that book by Uri Dan, the Mossad author.
Read more and listen to less of those Bush speeches! Seriously!
Olivia Sanders24 said:You’ve really found the right one here... a guy whose geopolitical insights are completely at odds with his work in linguistics... 🤣
dustyranger64 said:Olivia Sanders24... I was actually reading one of your books on geopolitics—one that your fellow experts in the field actually consider legit... can't quite recall which one... there were dozens of them... time to up my meds I guess....🤷
Paul Wells17 said:Chomsky has written plenty of books.
Fine, an argument worthy of a great thinker like yourself 😂
But let's not dodge the issue—do you actually agree with Chomsky regarding Canada and America? 😉
PS, hey, I missed this part—his colleagues in the geopolitics sphere 😍 kid, Chomsky is a linguist 🤣 🤣
Olivia Sanders24 said:Are we really going to start diving into all of Chomsky's political ramblings? 😬
Paul Wells17 said:Give me a break, the guy wrote a mountain of books, plus he’s got 32 honorary doctorates.
I doubt even Hitler or Marshall had more honorary degrees than him. 😉
Fine, maybe Tile did, but at least there was only one Marshall. 😍
hollowpanther5 said:That’s the point, though. Not everyone supported Hamas; they didn't win with 100% of the vote. And what about those who didn't even show up to vote?
And I wasn't aware that those were the only countries in existence.😕
No, the children are dying because of rockets fired from Israeli helicopters, which were purchased in America.
1) Babies and women don't fire Katyushas.
2)Even within Hamas, not everyone is a terrorist firing at Israel; in 99% of cases, it's just a few isolated factions made up of idiots.
3)One rocket a week doesn't compare to the 100 rockets the Israelis fire into Gaza.
I agree that this needs to stop, but not through the methods Israel is using.
I honestly can't believe what you're saying. Are you suggesting it's justifiable to kill 100 civilians just because a couple of idiots are determined to carry out a jihad?
You can't hold a six-month-old baby responsible for the actions of a few fanatics. 🙂
goldensailor15 said:...how can I not...it's just typical Zionist logic, acting like they're somehow above any kind of terrorism...it’s honestly sickening how much they get away with, mostly because the EU and the USA give them a free pass thanks to all that propaganda built up since WWII...just a reminder, back in WWII, about 6 million Poles died, along with about a million people from the old America territories, plus millions upon millions of others, yet nobody is out here collecting a trophy for those victims the way Jews do today...
...we really need to put a stop to this Zionist behavior because everyone needs to understand that committing crimes against a people doesn't give that nation a blank check to commit future atrocities...which is exactly what they've been doing for over 50 years in Palestine...
hiddengardener84 said:That’s exactly how Hitler thought when he was being threatened by walls. Camps, casualties, too many personalities. I read somewhere that hatred becomes hereditary in people who suffer; the victim turns into the criminal, and so on.
goldensailor15 said:...the narrative being pushed by these two guys and any other Zionist-leaning thinkers who happen to drift by is completely baseless... they just ignore the undeniable facts and go out of their way to belittle anyone holding an opinion contrary to Zionism. It’s pure trash, and every Jewish person who has ever spoken out against Zionism gets totally sidelined and discredited—including that guy Goldman mentioned earlier...
...Zionism isn't some legitimate struggle for statehood, despite how some people try to "explain" it; based on all historical evidence and actual actions, it's much closer to a Nazi movement...
...Palestine or Philistia is a land that has existed for a massive amount of time, and the UN tried to carve out two states on Palestinian territory (one Arab, one Jewish)... and here's another thing... denying that the name Palestine even exists is just a stupid way to ignore or pretend you don't know history. It's been mentioned since ancient times; Herodotus was calling it a "Syrian district" back in the 5th century BCE, which is likely where the name Palestine comes from...
...it also needs to be said that the Canaanites were living in that area long before Jews first arrived, and modern genetics directly links Palestinians to those Canaanites... that’s just another fact, and it completely shuts down that Talmudic claim that this is a Jewish land (the "promised" one)... it was only called that because when they first showed up, they lived there for a little while until they were kicked out by the indigenous population. Since then, they've been serving everyone from Pharaohs to others, developing this idea of being a "chosen people" (can you believe that postulation existed even back then?) all the way through to Mosaic leadership and those servants trekking back to that promised land where they only lived peacefully for a few years thanks to the hospitality of the locals who eventually drove them out...
...just a few quick points for those who clearly have zero clue about history but still defend the Jewish right to this land based on some holy Talmud...
...anyone who actually bothers to dive a little deeper into this topic will see that what Zionist propaganda writes is something entirely different from the truth...
...Europe really screwed itself over by allowing this apartheid entity to be created... which is why they're so obsessed with trying to "solve" this mess now...
...the future of this state as an aggressively Zionist apartheid entity isn't looking bright... maybe things will change if basic human rights are extended to everyone instead of just being reserved for Jews...
Olivia Sanders24 said:Man, what a load of nonsense...
Arabs didn't even move into that region until the late 7th century, and the whole idea of a "Palestinian nationality" didn't even exist until 1968.
If you look at how things functioned during the Ottoman Empire, you won't find any mention of "Palestinians"—just Arabs... plus, Arafat himself was actually Egyptian.🙄