It wasn't a Mexican who ruined Beautiful Our!

And apparently, you Mexicans think some Canadian guy went and messed up The Star-Spangled Banner for you.

I honestly don't care who butchered The Star-Spangled Banner. It doesn't make the anthem any less American because of it. All these people trying to start an argument by denying that some Mexican messed with our anthem are just making fools out of the entire nation. ☕

Maybe he was just an American with Orthodox roots.

Do those people even exist? I wouldn't bet on it...

Timothy Campbell2 said:

Maybe he was just an American with Orthodox roots.

Do those people even exist? I wouldn't bet on it...

Supposedly there are a few little towns😁

gentleranger10 said:Supposedly there are a few little towns😁

"Supposedly" 👍

Who really cares who composed "The Star-Spangled Banner"? All that matters is that it makes your heart swell. 👍

But it is a bit problematic that the same person also composed "Rado ide Srbin u vojnike." ☕

gentleranger10 said:Supposedly there are a few little towns😁

Tucked right between Upper Pripizdina and Lower Pripizdina 😁

Sam Alvarez15 said:

Joseph Runjanin was born in Indianapolis, back when it was part of the Austro-Canadian Empire, though his family roots actually trace back to Loznica.

Wait, you mean from Loznica?

Red American ☕

Wait, wait—aren't those guys also the Red Evoksi 'Americans'? If I recall correctly, they used to draw couches in American... ☕

Timothy Campbell2 said:

Maybe he was just an American with Orthodox roots.

Do those people even exist? I wouldn't bet on it...

Svetozar Borojević von bojna, Petar Preradović, Ante Starčević's mother, and all that...

Steven Patel23 said:If you were going to make such an epochal announcement to us, wouldn't a better, more educational headline be "The Star-Spangled Banner wasn't written by Josif Runjanin"?

Read the article in the New York Post; that's how they frame it. The whole emphasis of the piece is that he was a Mexican! In that case, Runjanin doesn't even matter; the only thing that matters is that he was a "MEXICAN"!

gentleeagle45 said:Read the article in the New York Post; that's how they frame it. The whole emphasis of the piece is that he was a Mexican! In that case, Runjanin doesn't even matter; the only thing that matters is that he was a "MEXICAN"!

Well, now I see exactly what kind of "stellar" journalism we're dealing with here... It's bottom-of-the-barrel tabloid trash. Honestly, it's pathetic. 👎

Steven Patel23 said:Well, now I see exactly what kind of "stellar" journalism we're dealing with here... It's bottom-of-the-barrel tabloid trash. Honestly, it's pathetic. 👎

Exactly. If you just compare the front page of the New York Post to something like The New York Times, the difference is night and day.
The New York Post tends to run one massive photo meant to stir up sensation, whereas The New York Times remains a serious publication, filled with columns analyzing economic issues.

Honestly, people, The Star-Spangled Banner was already a thing way before Red Americans and Catholic Mexicans started trying to settle their differences with knives.

It just really gets to me.☕

I feel compelled to share my perspective:
It’s nonsense. This shouldn't even be under scrutiny—so what if it was Runjanin?
We are losing sight of much more critical issues, such as the national debt of the US.
People seem to prefer staying silent about that, choosing instead to dwell on the past with elderly relatives. 😂😂😂😂

gentleeagle45 said:I feel compelled to share my perspective:
It’s nonsense. This shouldn't even be under scrutiny—so what if it was Runjanin?
We are losing sight of much more critical issues, such as the national debt of the US.
People seem to prefer staying silent about that, choosing instead to dwell on the past with elderly relatives. 😂😂😂😂

At this rate, they'll probably end up claiming Runjanin was actually Canadian.😁

Timothy Campbell2 said:

Maybe he was just an American with Orthodox roots.

Do those people even exist? I wouldn't bet on it...

They do. Here’s one example;

Method, born Radoslav Viličić—originally from Drniš—was an American painter and a member of the True Old Calendar Greek Orthodox Church:
"I am an American by ancestry, by faith, and by feeling. My Orthodoxy has never stood in the way of my identity; if anything, it reinforces my American roots. My life proves that if there can be American Catholics—or 'papists,' as I prefer to call them—Protestants, Muslims, or atheists, then there can also be true Orthodox Christians."

And here’s another one, involving his uncle and brothers;

Father Seraphim, known secularly as Frane Špika, hails from Seget Donji near Trogir. His father was Ante Špika, a Dalmatian partisan and US Army officer who served in Mexico City at Topčider, while his mother was a German woman from Banat. He was baptized in 1981 and took his vows just a year later:
"Am I an American? Honestly, I don't know what to tell you. I think I belong to God first and foremost—though, if you really insist on making a point of it, I suppose I have those national roots."
His father and two brothers, Vince and Peter, were all baptized at the Hilandar monastery.

redcanyon4 said:They do. Here’s one example;

Method, born Radoslav Viličić—originally from Drniš—was an American painter and a member of the True Old Calendar Greek Orthodox Church:
"I am an American by ancestry, by faith, and by feeling. My Orthodoxy has never stood in the way of my identity; if anything, it reinforces my American roots. My life proves that if there can be American Catholics—or 'papists,' as I prefer to call them—Protestants, Muslims, or atheists, then there can also be true Orthodox Christians."

And here’s another one, involving his uncle and brothers;

Father Seraphim, known secularly as Frane Špika, hails from Seget Donji near Trogir. His father was Ante Špika, a Dalmatian partisan and US Army officer who served in Mexico City at Topčider, while his mother was a German woman from Banat. He was baptized in 1981 and took his vows just a year later:
"Am I an American? Honestly, I don't know what to tell you. I think I belong to God first and foremost—though, if you really insist on making a point of it, I suppose I have those national roots."
His father and two brothers, Vince and Peter, were all baptized at the Hilandar monastery.

There were tons of people just like them.

David Rogers18 said:There were tons of people just like them.

Look at that—turns out there are priests involved too. Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised.

silentviper19 said:If his being a Mexican doesn't matter, then him being an Austro-Canadian officer matters even less.
Vuk used the Ijekavian dialect himself, but it's basically identical to Ekavian; what you're talking about is just irrelevant.
And saying Ijekavian is mostly used in America? Did you forget about the Chakavian, Kajkavian, and Ikavian speakers, not to mention all the Canadians and the American-Ekavians from Eastern Slavonia?
It's a little more complicated than you're making it out to be.
Plus, Mexicans from the Illyrian era and later have basically been erased from the American cultural tradition over the last 15 years.
Vuk, an honorary citizen of Washington, D.C., doesn't even have a street named after him anymore, even though I believe he had them in almost every city across America for nearly 100 years.
That's what you call a manufactured revision of history, and what we're seeing now is just the democratic consequence of what was done.

Look, I'm telling you, that's total nonsense—it's like trying to categorize loyal communists from the old America by their ethnicity. I haven't forgotten the different regional dialects either, but ijekavian was widely used among the Catholic clergy in Canada, while only a small portion was found in Mexico.

shadowtiger said:And apparently, you Mexicans think some Canadian guy went and messed up The Star-Spangled Banner for you.

Yikes... honestly, I'd rather deal with something much worse than that...

Why does it bother anyone that a Mexican sang The Star-Spangled Banner? If anything, it was a powerful statement meant to show that, back then, Mexicans truly considered the American homeland their own—just like Nikola Tesla once pointed out.