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The Sioux are no longer considered Americans

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Participants Susan Moore76James Nguyen13Paul AdamsJames Moore3placidcyclist5Jeremy Lopez93driftingfox16Elizabeth Gomez11Nicholas Moore9darkfox14graniteowl88northernbison63James Fowler52Walter Rogers3jadescout12Linda Hughes88hiddengardener84Brandon Rodriguez17
Susan Moore76 Susan Moore76 NewcomerOP
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The Lakota Indians, part of the legendary Sioux nation, have officially declared their ancestral treaties with the USA null and void, launching an international campaign to reclaim their sovereignty.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America," stated Russell Means, one of the most prominent Native American civil rights activists, during a press conference held in Washington, D.C. He went on to invite anyone living within the five states that encompass their traditional territory to join their cause, according to USA Today

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James Nguyen13 James Nguyen13 Regular
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#2 ·
The Sioux were never actually Americans to begin with.
Paul Adams Paul Adams Newcomer
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#3 ·
James Nguyen13 said:The Sioux were never actually Americans to begin with.

Officially—they are.
James Moore3 James Moore3 Member
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#4 ·
Paul Adams said:Officially—they are.

Honestly, this post sounds like you're planning some massive revolution, but I guess you won't even be able to hear a single word they say after this... believe me.☕
placidcyclist5 placidcyclist5 Member
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James Nguyen13 said:The Sioux were never actually Americans to begin with.

🤣 Even if they weren't officially counted in the census, what that leader just said sounds like a bad joke to me...😁
Maybe they'll start another war, but this time against the US Army...😁
Jeremy Lopez93 Jeremy Lopez93 Active Member
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#6 ·
Adding to the long list of American internal enemies it looks like the Sioux have officially joined the fray!
driftingfox16 driftingfox16 Member
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#7 ·
And what about the Ancient Greeks and the Romans on the census? How can you be so careless as to overlook them entirely? Honestly, it’s quite embarrassing.
Elizabeth Gomez11 Elizabeth Gomez11 Member
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#8 ·
Lakota representatives unilaterally rescind 19th-century treaties signed with Washington
Crazy Horse

"We have taken this historic step to protect our people and our way of life, seeking liberation from the colonial system enforced by the United States government," stated the decision released by representatives of the Lakota Native American nation.

A group of Native Americans, descendants of the legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, declared their secession from the United States on Wednesday, unilaterally withdrawing from treaties originally struck with the federal government in Washington, D.C., during the 1800s.

“We are no longer citizens of the USA, and anyone residing within the five states encompassing our territory is free to join us,” remarked Russell Means, a longtime Lakota leader and Native American rights activist, during a press conference held in the capital of the world’s sole superpower. According to the Associated Press, Means was faced by a small pool of reporters and the ambassador from Bolivia—a nation whose president, Evo Morales, is himself a descendant of the indigenous peoples of the American continent.

The Lakota representatives formally notified the Department of State of their decision on Monday, subsequently visiting the embassies of Bolivia, Chile, South Africa, and Venezuela. They indicated that this diplomatic mission would continue over the coming weeks and months through visits to various "friendly nations."

The group contends they have been forced to endure a "system of colonial apartheid," resulting in "cultural and physical genocide" the effects of which persist today. “The life expectancy for our men is under 44; infant mortality is five times the American average; tuberculosis rates in Lakota reservations are eight times higher than in the rest of the USA; 97 percent of us live below the poverty line; unemployment in the reservations sits at 85 percent; youth suicide rates are 1.5 times higher than the US average; and our language is on the brink of extinction,” the nation's statement reads.

Russell Means, noted for his role in *The Last Mohican*, stated that the nascent state intends to issue its own passports and driver's licenses, adding that no resident will be required to pay taxes provided they renounce their American citizenship. The Lakota argue that the agreements signed with Washington in decades past are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," claiming these pacts were "consistently violated to strip us of our culture, our land, and our ability to maintain our way of life." Means maintains that their withdrawal is entirely legal.

This political leader asserts that a "critical mass for the fight against colonialism" has finally been reached, even though the Lakota issued a "declaration of permanent independence" as far back as 1974. A pivotal moment in the struggle for sovereignty occurred in September when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples—an action the United States opposed, arguing the declaration conflicted with American law.

“Our goal isn't to shame the USA, but rather to continue the fight for our children and grandchildren,” said Phyllis Young, one of the organizers of the inaugural conference on Native American rights held in Geneva in 1977. She expressed doubt that the battle for a Lakota state would be won within her lifetime.

However, not everyone is on board; for instance, a tribe known as the Rosebud Sioux will not be joining Russell Means' initiative. “We are fighting for the respect of existing agreements, and we constantly remind Congress of that duty,” said tribal president Rod Borde. Means refers to him and other Native Americans who oppose secession as "Vichyites," drawing a comparison to the French government's collaboration with the Nazis during World War II.

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Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse

The Lakota consist of seven tribes inhabiting parts of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming. The westernmost group, the Sioux, maintains close ties with the Dakotas and the Nakota of Minnesota. In American history, they are famously remembered for the massacre of the Seventh Cavalry led by Lieutenant Colonel Custer at the Battle of Little Bighorn in 1876. This was followed by years of persecution that nearly brought the Lakota to the brink of extinction, eventually forcing them to sign an agreement ceding much of their territory to Washington, D.C.

At the Battle of Little Bighorn, the Lakota forces were led by the formidable Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse.
Nicholas Moore9 Nicholas Moore9 Member
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#9 ·
you could've just posted this on the Native American thread🙄
darkfox14 darkfox14 Member
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Susan Moore76 said:The Lakota Indians, part of the legendary Sioux nation, have officially declared their ancestral treaties with the USA null and void, launching an international campaign to reclaim their sovereignty.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America," stated Russell Means, one of the most prominent Native American civil rights activists, during a press conference held in Washington, D.C. He went on to invite anyone living within the five states that encompass their traditional territory to join their cause, according to USA Today

Something to think about...


Look, we were never really Americans to begin with, at least not by choice. Those treaties? They were forced on them. It’s about time they reclaimed what’s rightfully theirs.👍
graniteowl88 graniteowl88 Regular
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darkfox14 said:Look, we were never really Americans to begin with, at least not by choice. Those treaties? They were forced on them. It’s about time they reclaimed what’s rightfully theirs.👍

You people are more American than Native Americans.😁 The fact that they used Columbus’s misguided theory about discovering India to label you says much more about their own ignorance than it does about you. 😁

To battle, to battle!
northernbison63 northernbison63 Active Member
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Susan Moore76 said:The Lakota Indians, part of the legendary Sioux nation, have officially declared their ancestral treaties with the USA null and void, launching an international campaign to reclaim their sovereignty.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America," stated Russell Means, one of the most prominent Native American civil rights activists, during a press conference held in Washington, D.C. He went on to invite anyone living within the five states that encompass their traditional territory to join their cause, according to USA Today

Something to think about...


Whoa! So now the USA is gonna start fighting terrorists on its own home turf! 👍
northernbison63 northernbison63 Active Member
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Quickly now, quickly—I mean, will Vaclav Havel, in all those fiery speeches where he plays the champion of human rights, ever actually bother to look back at the righteous, century-long struggle of the Sioux? Just like how he’s always pointing fingers at the legitimate fight of the Chechens in Russia???

I'm genuinely dying to know what the world's most famous human rights advocate has to say about this! Or maybe those ten mansions the Americans gifted him have finally tied his tongue when it comes to the actual right of minorities to secede within the USA?

🤣 🤣 🤣
James Fowler52 James Fowler52 Member
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go lakota go😁 I mean, things might actually stand a chance if all the Sioux people just decide to pull together. If anyone has a legitimate claim to sovereignty on current US soil, it’s gotta be the Native Americans—and honestly, the Sioux are just one part of that much bigger picture.

I guess the real question is whether those big-shot human rights activists and all those organizations that usually jump on stuff like this will actually step up and back them.
northernbison63 northernbison63 Active Member
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James Fowler52 said:go lakota go😁 I mean, things might actually stand a chance if all the Sioux people just decide to pull together. If anyone has a legitimate claim to sovereignty on current US soil, it’s gotta be the Native Americans—and honestly, the Sioux are just one part of that much bigger picture.

I guess the real question is whether those big-shot human rights activists and all those organizations that usually jump on stuff like this will actually step up and back them.

First, they’ll slap the "terrorist" label on them, then the mighty US Army will just flatten them into the dirt, tossing anyone left over into concentration camps. And you know what? Clinton will probably stand there praising how "democratic" the whole operation was while expressing his deepest, most heartfelt regrets over the tiny, practically non-existent amount of collateral damage—you know, the 95% of people who didn't make it.🤣
Walter Rogers3 Walter Rogers3 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Only the Sioux tribal community can save us😳
jadescout12 jadescout12 Member
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Walter Rogers3 said:Only the Sioux tribal community can save us😳

What if we gave them a hand with the transition and helped set up the SDZ (Sioux tribal community)?
northernbison63 northernbison63 Active Member
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#18 ·
So, what, we wait nineteen years after breaking away from the USA just to end up getting folded back into the Union? 🤣
Linda Hughes88 Linda Hughes88 Active Member
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They're filming a new Western movie, oh my goddddddddddd!!!
jadescout12 jadescout12 Member
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northernbison63 said:So, what, we wait nineteen years after breaking away from the USA just to end up getting folded back into the Union? 🤣

Should we set up some special committee to watch over the civil rights of these newcomers since they'll be a minority now?
At the end of the day, we're talking about democracy here. Personally, I’m all for supervised independence—maybe once spring rolls around and everything starts blooming again.

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