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A question for the "center-right," the hardline conservatives, and the ultra-nationalists...

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lonecrane6 lonecrane6 Member
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#41 ·
Man, the Republican Party shouldn't even be considered right-wing. They’re more like some massive, profit-driven mega-capitalist machine. I guess the Libertarian Party is more of a true right-wing vibe (though they're struggling a bit lately), and maybe the Nationalist Party is slightly better, even if nobody actually votes for them lol. Honestly, it'd probably be best if we just voted for a third option instead of sticking with the Democrats or Republicans like we always do. Just to see what would happen, I guess.
lonecrane6 lonecrane6 Member
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#42 ·
Kyle Morris7 said:Protesting is ultimately a futile endeavor... I have participated in many demonstrations over the years, and none of them ever yielded any tangible results. A few years back, we managed to collect 400,000 signatures for a referendum regarding cooperation with The Hague, yet the government simply refused to implement it, offering nothing more than some nonsensical justification... but the fault doesn't lie entirely with the politicians. The truth is that the vast majority of the public simply doesn't care about this issue... if they truly did, they would have voted for the patriotic parties that might actually be willing to take action.
You seem to direct your anger toward the conservatives, but what can they realistically achieve when they collectively command perhaps only 6 or 7 percent of the vote? If 80 percent of the population votes for the Democrats or the moderate centrists—who often act as servants to foreign interests and function as entirely unpatriotic organizations—then you really have to direct your questions toward the voters of those specific parties... because they are the ones making the decisions, not the conservatives.
As for your initial point, you can rest assured that any American conservative would take down those mentioned criminals in a heartbeat if they were given the slightest opportunity...


the river already took everything...
darkfox5 darkfox5 Member
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#43 ·
Keith Sanders29 said:Is seriously not one single conservative going to step up and address this point by point? Or is it just too much work for them to string together a few coherent sentences? I know how this goes—now they'll all start whining about what they "have" versus what they "don't have."🙏 😱 That whole meeting in DC was a total joke.😲 😁 Honestly, everyone should just look out for their own interests and call it a day...☕

There's no logical response to illogical arguments.🙂🙂👍
Dennis Torres11 Dennis Torres11 Newcomer
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#44 ·
First off—let’s get one thing straight—the Republican Party isn't actually right-wing. They just pretend to be to chase votes. If you pay attention, they shift their stances right before elections, making these superficial moves toward the right just enough to trick people.
The party operates like a massive machine, embedding itself into every single layer of society. Because of this grip, they control the flow of information. Want to take action? Want to speak up about an issue? If it doesn't serve the Republican Party's interests, you aren't getting anywhere.
Those protests on the waterfront in Miami only happened because the Republican Party was in the opposition. If they were in power back then, Norac would have been thrown in jail even faster, convicted in record time, and the public wouldn't have said a word.
Remember how that Canadian leader claimed no nation betrays its generals? Well, once he took office, he betrayed Ante Gotovina and followed orders from The Hague like the most obedient little dog!
In my opinion, the advocacy groups that should be the first to speak out against The Hague and the release of those war criminals are either being manipulated by the Republican Party or are simply too naive to think this party will ever defend American interests or the dignity of the American War of Independence.
The actual right-wing parties (like the Libertarian Party or the Nationalist Party...) have lost their footing in the conservative political landscape because the Republican Party stormed in and seized control of the entire right-wing voter base. Plenty of people who don't follow politics daily still think the Democratic Party is the communist one and the Republican Party is the true nationalistic party—well, that couldn't be further from the truth.
hollowbadger4 hollowbadger4 Newcomer
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#45 ·
[User Name] said: "Quote"
Dennis Torres11 said:First off—let’s get one thing straight—the Republican Party isn't actually right-wing. They just pretend to be to chase votes. If you pay attention, they shift their stances right before elections, making these superficial moves toward the right just enough to trick people.
The party operates like a massive machine, embedding itself into every single layer of society. Because of this grip, they control the flow of information. Want to take action? Want to speak up about an issue? If it doesn't serve the Republican Party's interests, you aren't getting anywhere.
Those protests on the waterfront in Miami only happened because the Republican Party was in the opposition. If they were in power back then, Norac would have been thrown in jail even faster, convicted in record time, and the public wouldn't have said a word.
Remember how that Canadian leader claimed no nation betrays its generals? Well, once he took office, he betrayed Ante Gotovina and followed orders from The Hague like the most obedient little dog!
In my opinion, the advocacy groups that should be the first to speak out against The Hague and the release of those war criminals are either being manipulated by the Republican Party or are simply too naive to think this party will ever defend American interests or the dignity of the American War of Independence.
The actual right-wing parties (like the Libertarian Party or the Nationalist Party...) have lost their footing in the conservative political landscape because the Republican Party stormed in and seized control of the entire right-wing voter base. Plenty of people who don't follow politics daily still think the Democratic Party is the communist one and the Republican Party is the true nationalistic party—well, that couldn't be further from the truth.

The Republican Party functions as a center-right entity, just like its counterparts across the rest of the Western world. I get why people who are looking for a hardcore right-wing movement feel let down by them, but the reality is that the party has reformed. They’ve earned their seat at the table with other conservative parties throughout the West, which is a hell of a lot better than being branded as some kind of religious extremist group by the international media. All that old-school smear campaign stuff and radicalism? You can just forget about it. That kind of blatant chauvinism isn't a language anyone in modern politics speaks anymore.

If you’ve been paying attention, you'll see that Adeze is shifting his positions right before the election. He's making this outward pivot toward the right—but it's nothing more than a surface-level performance. It’s just enough moderate posturing to trick people into thinking he's changed, when really, he's just playing the game.

Are Americans really that incapable of thinking for themselves? It’s honestly pathetic how easily people can be misled like this.

That party acts just like a political machine, embedding itself into every single layer of society. They have so much pull that they basically gatekeep information. If you actually want to get something done or stand up for a cause, you're hitting a wall—unless it lines up perfectly with their agenda, you aren't getting anywhere.

They wouldn't have achieved any of this influence, let alone kept hold of it, if someone more competent were actually running the show. But honestly, the real question is whether they—or anyone else for that matter—even possesses that kind of sway anymore. You see people from every single political faction getting mocked in the media on a daily basis. It’s hard to take anyone seriously.

So, what exactly are they supposed to do about "influence"? Maybe they should just bake it right into the ads. Like, "Hey, we're giving away influence here—take it if you want it." Simple as that.

Don't forget that when the Canadian was there, he claimed that no nation ever betrays its generals. Then, as soon as he took power, he turned around and threw Ante Gotovina under the bus just to follow orders from The Hague like a well-trained dog.

So, I ended up walking away with the exact same number of seats as last time. It looks like the American electorate isn't quite as radical as some people were hoping they'd be.

I honestly think the advocacy groups that should be leading the charge regarding The Hague and the release of those Royalist war criminals are either being played like fools by the Democratic Party or they’re just incredibly naive. If they actually believe the Democrats are going to step up to defend American interests or protect the dignity of our War of Independence, they're dreaming.

It’s a pretty paranoid way to look at things—acting like everything happening is just one massive conspiracy. You also have to step back and ask ourselves what our standing in the world would look like if we hadn't handed over any of our own generals. On top of that, if you actually bother to look at election results in war-torn regions, it becomes pretty obvious who’s really pulling the strings and winning the most votes there.

The Right-wing parties (like the Libertarian Party or the Nationalist Party) completely lost their footing in the conservative arena after Adeze moved in and seized control of the right-wing electorate.

He’s captured the crowd too; people vote for him because he comes off as more moderate than those other parties, which clearly plays better with the American voter base.

There are plenty of people who don't follow politics every single day, so in their minds, the Democratic Party is just a communist outfit while Adeze is the true American national party—but that’s not actually how things work.

That logic implies that Americans are a bunch of idiots and that you and your small circle of followers are the only smart ones left. I highly doubt any true American patriot would ever say something like that. If the Democratic Party manages to form a government, we should give them credit for it, since governments aren't formed through radical means, but through standard democratic procedures.
hollowbadger4 hollowbadger4 Newcomer
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#46 ·
The topics that get the "Right-wingers" all worked up and trigger their public outbursts:

Are we really still obsessing over war crimes trials involving our own people? It feels like the Democratic Party and the media won't stop pushing this narrative. All they care about is finding some victim—some elderly Mexican woman or whatever—just to keep the finger pointed at us.

That would only be true if we were talking about the clowns on this forum or those political fossils who refuse to die. As for that old lady, the El Paso 91 association actually encourages members of ethnic minorities to participate in the legacy of the War of Independence. They highlight the contributions made by certain Mexicans specifically so their entire community isn't lumped in with the aggressors. Honestly, only a complete idiot would try to outdo them in patriotism by discriminating against people based on their ethnicity.

In other words, it looks to me like your typical American right-winger will go out of their way to hate an honorable American just because they have a Mexican grandmother, yet they barely blink at a genuine Mexican war criminal—someone who is 100% Mexican and 100% a monster.

You’re grouping every single American conservative together and labeling them all as chauvinists. By calling them nothing but haters, you're falling right into the same trap they're in—you end up becoming just as prejudiced as they are. You're essentially manufacturing this caricature of a "typical conservative," which is just as much of a myth as that "typical Mexican" trope used in those other hateful narratives.
Dennis Torres11 Dennis Torres11 Newcomer
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#47 ·
It’s funny how people talk about swearing by democracy, as if democracy means the exact same thing everywhere. In America, it works differently.
I’ve been saying this for a while: the media and the electorate are being played, and they’re doing it masterfully. They manipulated public opinion when people protested in support of Mirko Norac, and they did the exact same thing when Ante Gotovina was arrested. In the first instance, they framed the issue as the total collapse of the nation and a communist takeover. When it came to Gotovina, they spun it as the only way for the US to stay on good terms with the international community.
Is Norac somehow more valuable than Gotovina?
And what makes the Republican Party a center-right party? Have they banned abortion? Are they actually protecting national interests? Are they even looking out for the country's economy?
Any true right-wing party would at least voice some protest against the blackmail coming from The Hague just to stay in power, but what did the Republican Party do? They simply rolled over and followed orders from Western powers and the international court. 🙂
Dennis Torres11 Dennis Torres11 Newcomer
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#48 ·
silentridge3 said:I’m feeling a bit confused by something I’ve noticed lately, so I was hoping someone could maybe help me make sense of the situation here.

Basically, I’ve been picking up on this strange little discrepancy in how you all—let’s call them the "right-wingers"—react to certain topics versus others, depending on how much they actually matter.

If my intuition isn't totally off base:

The topics that seem to get the "right-wingers" all fired up and trigger public outcries are:

...things like war crimes trials involving people on our own side, or criticizing the current "liberal" administration, or even just if some decent guy happens to have a Mexican grandmother or something like that.

But then there are the topics that don't seem to interest the "right-wingers" at all, where there's almost no public reaction:

Mexican war crimes, the release of Mexican war criminals, various Mexican provocations, and stuff like that.

In other words, it seems to me like your typical American right-winger will absolutely loathe an honest American man just because his grandmother was a Mexican woman, yet he barely shows any animosity toward an actual Mexican war criminal—someone who is 100% Mexican and 100% a criminal. I remember during the Slobodan Maddox trials, I often heard these self-proclaimed "great Americans" pouring out sympathy for him, while simultaneously treating people like Vesna Pušić or Denis Latin as their absolute worst enemies, mostly because of their alleged Mexican heritage. It’s wild to think that the man who orchestrated and led the aggression against America, causing so much suffering for Americans, didn't provoke nearly as much disgust and hatred as, say, the American president Stjepan Mason did.

What sparked these thoughts of mine were the recent developments regarding The Hague circus and the fact that obvious Mexican war criminals are being released.

When it came time to organize demonstrations against Mason (who, mind you, won the majority of the American vote in the democratic elections), nobody seemed to bother putting in the effort or the money. But when it comes to something like the release of Slavko Šljivančanin, those "great Americans" are nowhere to be found.

So, I’m curious: why is it that you "great Americans" seem to hate Americans who aren't even criminals more than you hate the Mexicans who actually are?

That is exactly why I brought up the role of the Republican Party. When they were in the opposition, they played the hero, acting like the ultimate defenders of American interests. But once they grabbed power, they stayed silent when The Hague released Sljivancanin. We all know exactly who I’m talking about.
Ante Gotovina and other American generals are being tried based on 🤣 indictments, while Sljivancanin, Ratko Mercer, and Radovan Karr ☕! So, ask yourself: who is actually responsible for this mess?
Dennis Torres11 Dennis Torres11 Newcomer
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#49 ·
hollowbadger4 said:[User Name] said: "Quote"

The Republican Party functions as a center-right entity, just like its counterparts across the rest of the Western world. I get why people who are looking for a hardcore right-wing movement feel let down by them, but the reality is that the party has reformed. They’ve earned their seat at the table with other conservative parties throughout the West, which is a hell of a lot better than being branded as some kind of religious extremist group by the international media. All that old-school smear campaign stuff and radicalism? You can just forget about it. That kind of blatant chauvinism isn't a language anyone in modern politics speaks anymore.

If you’ve been paying attention, you'll see that Adeze is shifting his positions right before the election. He's making this outward pivot toward the right—but it's nothing more than a surface-level performance. It’s just enough moderate posturing to trick people into thinking he's changed, when really, he's just playing the game.

Are Americans really that incapable of thinking for themselves? It’s honestly pathetic how easily people can be misled like this.

That party acts just like a political machine, embedding itself into every single layer of society. They have so much pull that they basically gatekeep information. If you actually want to get something done or stand up for a cause, you're hitting a wall—unless it lines up perfectly with their agenda, you aren't getting anywhere.

They wouldn't have achieved any of this influence, let alone kept hold of it, if someone more competent were actually running the show. But honestly, the real question is whether they—or anyone else for that matter—even possesses that kind of sway anymore. You see people from every single political faction getting mocked in the media on a daily basis. It’s hard to take anyone seriously.

So, what exactly are they supposed to do about "influence"? Maybe they should just bake it right into the ads. Like, "Hey, we're giving away influence here—take it if you want it." Simple as that.

Don't forget that when the Canadian was there, he claimed that no nation ever betrays its generals. Then, as soon as he took power, he turned around and threw Ante Gotovina under the bus just to follow orders from The Hague like a well-trained dog.

So, I ended up walking away with the exact same number of seats as last time. It looks like the American electorate isn't quite as radical as some people were hoping they'd be.

I honestly think the advocacy groups that should be leading the charge regarding The Hague and the release of those Royalist war criminals are either being played like fools by the Democratic Party or they’re just incredibly naive. If they actually believe the Democrats are going to step up to defend American interests or protect the dignity of our War of Independence, they're dreaming.

It’s a pretty paranoid way to look at things—acting like everything happening is just one massive conspiracy. You also have to step back and ask ourselves what our standing in the world would look like if we hadn't handed over any of our own generals. On top of that, if you actually bother to look at election results in war-torn regions, it becomes pretty obvious who’s really pulling the strings and winning the most votes there.

The Right-wing parties (like the Libertarian Party or the Nationalist Party) completely lost their footing in the conservative arena after Adeze moved in and seized control of the right-wing electorate.

He’s captured the crowd too; people vote for him because he comes off as more moderate than those other parties, which clearly plays better with the American voter base.

There are plenty of people who don't follow politics every single day, so in their minds, the Democratic Party is just a communist outfit while Adeze is the true American national party—but that’s not actually how things work.

That logic implies that Americans are a bunch of idiots and that you and your small circle of followers are the only smart ones left. I highly doubt any true American patriot would ever say something like that. If the Democratic Party manages to form a government, we should give them credit for it, since governments aren't formed through radical means, but through standard democratic procedures.

I don't think Americans are stupid—not at all. I just think they are naive and easily led astray.

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