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Are people actually destroying our mental health?

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Andrew Ramos10 Andrew Ramos10 Active Member
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#21 ·
You might not want to believe this, but honestly, at least half of all psychologists probably dealt with their own childhood trauma... they're just as broken in the head as the rest of us, which is why they can't actually help anyone else.
Jonathan Mitchell Jonathan Mitchell Member
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#22 ·
Grace Wilson72 said:This isn't just bad, it's pathetic.😢
You watch it happen and you can't believe there's nobody—literally nobody—who would stand up for him or call out the bullies😕
Just grow up, man. It should be easy.
You say if you defended him, they'd just flip on you and insult you too.
And I'm guessing you aren't really doing anything about it, at least not actively.
And then you act surprised by the kind of people out there.
Right now, in your class (in this world), there are probably at least 5 or 6 other people feeling exactly like you do, but they aren't doing a damn thing either.
Because by being passive (just like everyone else around you), you're basically telling them you're "one of them"—part of a society where this stuff is just "fine."
And now you're shocked.
If you've got the guts, do something. You'll probably see that almost nobody will back you up (like, 99.9% of people won't), but at least you'll know you're above them.
Even if you end up looking like a total loser...☕
Yeah, you'll look like some jerk defending a nobody, but at least when life gets heavy later on and you're raising your own kid, you'll remember you acted like a decent human being.
That matters way more than your "street cred" in whatever sick school you're stuck in right now.

👍
Jonathan Mitchell Jonathan Mitchell Member
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#23 ·
Look, I’ll be the first to admit I was a total nightmare. If he was getting bullied—and let's face it, there's always some "villain" in every high school classroom—I wasn't just going to sit there. If they didn't listen when asked to stop, I jumped right into the fray with them.
It wasn't exactly saintly behavior, sure, but it was enough to let those bullies know that the underdog actually has some teeth!
Maybe I'm just venting, but I really did stick up for him. Of course, once I started verbally defending him, they turned their sights on me too. And trust me, fighting me is a different story...
That said, it isn't right for the "weak" to constantly lean on someone else. They'll never find their footing that way. Once you earn his trust, you have to teach him the real lesson: that true power is just a mix of faith, will, and capability.
And as for that psycho, let them go straight to the psych ward... boo!
Jonathan Mitchell Jonathan Mitchell Member
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#24 ·
Andrew Ramos10 said:You might not want to believe this, but honestly, at least half of all psychologists probably dealt with their own childhood trauma... they're just as broken in the head as the rest of us, which is why they can't actually help anyone else.

Heh, you really think it's 50% of therapists...👍

Look, psychologists are decent enough people who deal with the theory side of things, while they leave the heavy-duty meds to the "wizards"—not to mention those insane treatments that make you lose all faith in humanity. Just walk through one ward and you'll see...
Andrew Ramos10 Andrew Ramos10 Active Member
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#25 ·
Jonathan Mitchell said:Heh, you really think it's 50% of therapists...👍

Look, psychologists are decent enough people who deal with the theory side of things, while they leave the heavy-duty meds to the "wizards"—not to mention those insane treatments that make you lose all faith in humanity. Just walk through one ward and you'll see...

Thanks, but I'll pass
I've had the chance to walk through a unit like that before, and trust me, I never want to experience it again
that's what you call hell
Jonathan Mitchell Jonathan Mitchell Member
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#26 ·
Andrew Ramos10 said:Thanks, but I'll pass
I've had the chance to walk through a unit like that before, and trust me, I never want to experience it again
that's what you call hell

Oh yeah, we sure are creative when it comes to imagining what hell looks like.
And honestly? People actually work there—and they aren't even crazy, just maybe a little numb. It’s like how a donkey learns manners through a kick to the teeth... hehehehehe!
I've been through it too... and those places are run by useless psych wards and staff who couldn't care less about anyone.
Shout out to the exceptions, though.
Here’s a smiley for them 🙂 , the exceptions, obviously!
Amanda Roberts21 Amanda Roberts21 Member
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#27 ·
gentlefox18 said:I honestly feel like people in this world carry far too much influence over one another, especially since they seem to have no concept of the weight of their actions or the damage they can inflict. Take a former classmate of mine, for example. pick on him relentlessly, yet if I were to step in and defend him, I’d likely end up being targeted and insulted right along with him. I find myself searching for just one decent person—someone who actually understands the gravity of what they're doing—but there's nobody to be found... I look around and I simply can't believe it. It's baffling how people can be so incredibly thoughtless, failing to use even a shred of logic or consider how their behavior affects someone else. Out of a hundred people, I can't find a single soul with any empathy. Then I come home, replay the whole scene in my head, and wonder again. It makes me genuinely worried about where this country is headed.
Of course, I’ve been guilty of hurting someone before, but never for sport; it was driven by pure malice. Honestly, seeing someone suffer like that fills me with such intense regret that it feels as though the pain is happening to me personally.
Where are these people supposed to turn for help? To a psychiatrist who witnesses these exact scenarios every single day, amidst the tragic reality of the suicide rates we see, or should they just be left to rot? Try stepping into their shoes for a moment; imagine being mocked by everyone around you multiple times a day, and then have some stranger act like they just landed from outer space, acting shocked that people resort to suicide. I truly hope there are still enough good people left in America who actually think about the consequences of their actions.

Changing the world starts with the man in the mirror...

To "fit in," you're basically letting that friend get dragged through the mud just so they don't come for you next.
If being targeted is the price for showing basic humanity, then you're better off standing alone than being "socially accepted" by a crowd like that.

What are you actually afraid of? Rejection, most likely.

Once you kill that fear, you finally become an individual. Staying true to your conscience and being yourself comes with a cost—specifically, the cost of not following the mainstream.
But as Ernest Hemingway once suggested—there's warmth in the crowd, but it stinks....
Jonathan Mitchell Jonathan Mitchell Member
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#28 ·
Amanda Roberts21 said:Changing the world starts with the man in the mirror...

To "fit in," you're basically letting that friend get dragged through the mud just so they don't come for you next.
If being targeted is the price for showing basic humanity, then you're better off standing alone than being "socially accepted" by a crowd like that.

What are you actually afraid of? Rejection, most likely.

Once you kill that fear, you finally become an individual. Staying true to your conscience and being yourself comes with a cost—specifically, the cost of not following the mainstream.
But as Ernest Hemingway once suggested—there's warmth in the crowd, but it stinks....

Sometimes you just have to make a sacrifice 😍
before you get too used to the smell. 😉
Andrew Ramos10 Andrew Ramos10 Active Member
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#29 ·
Amanda Roberts21 said:Changing the world starts with the man in the mirror...

To "fit in," you're basically letting that friend get dragged through the mud just so they don't come for you next.
If being targeted is the price for showing basic humanity, then you're better off standing alone than being "socially accepted" by a crowd like that.

What are you actually afraid of? Rejection, most likely.

Once you kill that fear, you finally become an individual. Staying true to your conscience and being yourself comes with a cost—specifically, the cost of not following the mainstream.
But as Ernest Hemingway once suggested—there's warmth in the crowd, but it stinks....

Finally, some actual wisdom👍
Ashley Price18 Ashley Price18 Newcomer
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#30 ·
gentlefox18 said:I honestly feel like people in this world carry far too much influence over one another, especially since they seem to have no concept of the weight of their actions or the damage they can inflict. Take a former classmate of mine, for example. pick on him relentlessly, yet if I were to step in and defend him, I’d likely end up being targeted and insulted right along with him. I find myself searching for just one decent person—someone who actually understands the gravity of what they're doing—but there's nobody to be found... I look around and I simply can't believe it. It's baffling how people can be so incredibly thoughtless, failing to use even a shred of logic or consider how their behavior affects someone else. Out of a hundred people, I can't find a single soul with any empathy. Then I come home, replay the whole scene in my head, and wonder again. It makes me genuinely worried about where this country is headed.
Of course, I’ve been guilty of hurting someone before, but never for sport; it was driven by pure malice. Honestly, seeing someone suffer like that fills me with such intense regret that it feels as though the pain is happening to me personally.
Where are these people supposed to turn for help? To a psychiatrist who witnesses these exact scenarios every single day, amidst the tragic reality of the suicide rates we see, or should they just be left to rot? Try stepping into their shoes for a moment; imagine being mocked by everyone around you multiple times a day, and then have some stranger act like they just landed from outer space, acting shocked that people resort to suicide. I truly hope there are still enough good people left in America who actually think about the consequences of their actions.

That's an interesting way to look at it...
but I don't quite get why you're feeling so bad for him that you feel the need to take his side!
George Garcia9 George Garcia9 Member
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#31 ·
gentlefox18 said:I honestly feel like people in this world carry far too much influence over one another, especially since they seem to have no concept of the weight of their actions or the damage they can inflict. Take a former classmate of mine, for example. pick on him relentlessly, yet if I were to step in and defend him, I’d likely end up being targeted and insulted right along with him. I find myself searching for just one decent person—someone who actually understands the gravity of what they're doing—but there's nobody to be found... I look around and I simply can't believe it. It's baffling how people can be so incredibly thoughtless, failing to use even a shred of logic or consider how their behavior affects someone else. Out of a hundred people, I can't find a single soul with any empathy. Then I come home, replay the whole scene in my head, and wonder again. It makes me genuinely worried about where this country is headed.
Of course, I’ve been guilty of hurting someone before, but never for sport; it was driven by pure malice. Honestly, seeing someone suffer like that fills me with such intense regret that it feels as though the pain is happening to me personally.
Where are these people supposed to turn for help? To a psychiatrist who witnesses these exact scenarios every single day, amidst the tragic reality of the suicide rates we see, or should they just be left to rot? Try stepping into their shoes for a moment; imagine being mocked by everyone around you multiple times a day, and then have some stranger act like they just landed from outer space, acting shocked that people resort to suicide. I truly hope there are still enough good people left in America who actually think about the consequences of their actions.

Kasipus hit the nail on the head 👍
I truly believe it's just "mob mentality." In reality, NO ONE in your class would ever go out of their way to harass that kid if they were alone—they wouldn't even feel the need to. BUT, once they bunch up, bullying becomes "fun"... I have to admit, I did the same thing back in high school 😛 but... it wasn't out of "malice," it was more out of boredom or just being clueless...

If that person (or anyone else) had approached me one-on-one and said, "George Garcia9, stop acting like that, it's not okay," I probably would have said, "Look, you're right, I'm done..." That’s likely how it works in your class too. They aren't necessarily "evil"; they're just immature and DON'T THINK about how much it HURTS that kid.

TRY TALKING TO THEM individually. Go to the people picking on him and tell them it's IMMATURE, PATHETIC, and STUPID. But you have to say it when they are ALONE, because I really BELIEVE that deep down, most people are actually "good" and empathetic, and you CAN explain things to them when they aren't part of a pack. Once you flip a few of them and they stop participating, the momentum dies. It stops being "cool," and the bullying will taper off because it won't be the MAJORITY anymore. But you have to reach them INDIVIDUALLY. There's little point in trying to defend him while the entire crowd is attacking him at once, though I suppose it's something...

Good luck 😉

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