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Amanda Walker Amanda Walker Member
18 messages
joined May 2008
#21 ·
You’ve definitely got a point there, but man, I’m really struggling with how you used the word God in that sentence. 🙂
Does it seriously have to be God?
Look, I’ve got nothing against God, but it just feels totally out of place here.
It feels like we’re never actually going to figure out what we are, where we came from, or how we even got here.
Maybe one day we'll finally have an epiphany about our existence... but by the time we reach that kind of realization, our human brains won't be able to wrap themselves around it, so we'll still be left in the dark.
Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active MemberOP
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joined Sep 2008
#22 ·
Amanda Walker said:You’ve definitely got a point there, but man, I’m really struggling with how you used the word God in that sentence. 🙂
Does it seriously have to be God?
Look, I’ve got nothing against God, but it just feels totally out of place here.
It feels like we’re never actually going to figure out what we are, where we came from, or how we even got here.
Maybe one day we'll finally have an epiphany about our existence... but by the time we reach that kind of realization, our human brains won't be able to wrap themselves around it, so we'll still be left in the dark.

My dear friend, I am also troubled by that loaded word, and I completely understand why it triggers such strong associations for you.
Everything is a matter of perspective. When that term is mentioned, one person envisions an old man sitting on a cloud, another sees a monarch who lavishly rewards some while punishing others, someone else believes we are all divine, and another thinks existence itself is God...
It all depends on your viewpoint; it is vital to look at things from every possible angle.

One day, in a real-life conversation (not online), I gave some advice to one person and made them happy because they felt I was helping. At the same time, I made another person in that same group happy because they thought I was teasing the first person—whom they can't stand! My intention wasn't to help or to tease; it was something else entirely. 🙂

Honestly, just cross out the word God. I’m not much of a fan of the term myself. Others have used it so poorly that it’s become distasteful, and for most people, it carries a societal baggage that's hard to shake...

Maybe we will eventually realize our true nature... but by the time we reach that level of understanding, logic won't be able to follow us, so we still won't get it.

How can you be so sure if you haven't experienced it?
I believe the truth is actually quite simple, but nobody wants to accept it that way. Everyone expects something unreachable, something incomprehensible to the mind, something transcendental. But once you actually reach it, it seems so incredibly simple that you can't help but just laugh and laugh... 😁
Amanda Walker Amanda Walker Member
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joined May 2008
#23 ·
Richard Walker79 said:My dear friend, I am also troubled by that loaded word, and I completely understand why it triggers such strong associations for you.
Everything is a matter of perspective. When that term is mentioned, one person envisions an old man sitting on a cloud, another sees a monarch who lavishly rewards some while punishing others, someone else believes we are all divine, and another thinks existence itself is God...
It all depends on your viewpoint; it is vital to look at things from every possible angle.

One day, in a real-life conversation (not online), I gave some advice to one person and made them happy because they felt I was helping. At the same time, I made another person in that same group happy because they thought I was teasing the first person—whom they can't stand! My intention wasn't to help or to tease; it was something else entirely. 🙂

Honestly, just cross out the word God. I’m not much of a fan of the term myself. Others have used it so poorly that it’s become distasteful, and for most people, it carries a societal baggage that's hard to shake...

Maybe we will eventually realize our true nature... but by the time we reach that level of understanding, logic won't be able to follow us, so we still won't get it.

How can you be so sure if you haven't experienced it?
I believe the truth is actually quite simple, but nobody wants to accept it that way. Everyone expects something unreachable, something incomprehensible to the mind, something transcendental. But once you actually reach it, it seems so incredibly simple that you can't help but just laugh and laugh... 😁

Look, there's a massive difference between experiencing something and actually understanding it. One is just having an insight; the other is true comprehension.
Maybe we’re just using the same word to mean two totally different things.
If you think you "understand" reality, aren't you basically just stripping it down and losing what makes it real in the first place?

I'm not trying to start a fight here, I'm just pointing out how words can trap you.

I hit this limit once where the whole world—myself included—just got swept away like dust in a storm. All I had left was enough self-awareness to make sure I didn't completely vanish.
I stared into this massive void of everything and nothing all at once, and honestly? I was terrified, so I just laughed at how absurdly huge it was
compared to the tiny, insignificant little world we live in.
It happened during one of those out-of-body experiences—it hit me while I was wide awake. Suddenly, the world and I were just gone, blown away by the wind, which totally freaked me out.
I had to slam it into four-wheel drive immediately just to try and pull myself back into reality. I have never been so stunned in my entire life.
Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active MemberOP
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#24 ·
Amanda Walker said:Look, there's a massive difference between experiencing something and actually understanding it. One is just having an insight; the other is true comprehension.
Maybe we’re just using the same word to mean two totally different things.
If you think you "understand" reality, aren't you basically just stripping it down and losing what makes it real in the first place?

I'm not trying to start a fight here, I'm just pointing out how words can trap you.

I hit this limit once where the whole world—myself included—just got swept away like dust in a storm. All I had left was enough self-awareness to make sure I didn't completely vanish.
I stared into this massive void of everything and nothing all at once, and honestly? I was terrified, so I just laughed at how absurdly huge it was
compared to the tiny, insignificant little world we live in.
It happened during one of those out-of-body experiences—it hit me while I was wide awake. Suddenly, the world and I were just gone, blown away by the wind, which totally freaked me out.
I had to slam it into four-wheel drive immediately just to try and pull myself back into reality. I have never been so stunned in my entire life.

Words are merely symbols; they aren't the actual substance.

I once crossed a threshold where both the entire world and my own sense of self were swept away by the wind. All I had left was enough self-awareness to ensure I wasn't completely lost or erased.
I gazed into the vast abyss of everything and nothing all at once, and I found myself laughing nervously at the sheer absurdity of that infinite expanse
compared to the tiny, finite world we think we know.

That kind of realization shatters every concept we hold dear. It exposes how fleeting and ultimately hollow our ideas and mental constructs really are.

It happened during something akin to an out-of-body experience. It hit me while I was wide awake! To my absolute shock, the world and I just vanished—blown away by the wind.
I immediately slammed it into four-wheel drive just to try and steer my way back to reality. I have never been so startled in my life!

It sounds like you might have taken the wrong turn! You actually went the exact opposite direction of where you were supposed to go.
Amanda Walker Amanda Walker Member
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joined May 2008
#25 ·
Richard Walker79, look at you, starting to write poetry or something. 😁
I didn't have much of a choice back then, and honestly? Maybe I’ll never have a choice again.
Plus, you're always messing around with different ways of doing things anyway.
Richard Walker79 Richard Walker79 Active MemberOP
112 messages
joined Sep 2008
#26 ·
I consider myself a bit of a natural poet, much like this fellow right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo1pyxLxa5k

😁

👋

🙂
Amanda Roberts21 Amanda Roberts21 Member
31 messages
joined Feb 2008
#27 ·
Richard Walker79 said:Let’s skip the endless debate over who’s right or wrong. Just lay out what you’ve learned. Put your insights into words, no matter how they come out. I promise, those of us who have been through it will get exactly what you mean.

1. The realization that nobody actually owns anything—not even their own body. It means we either possess everything or absolutely nothing at all.

Yeah... it's a hell of a question.
Honestly, you can boil this whole thing down to two fundamental axioms that seem to clash head-on:

Aham Brahmasmi—meaning "I am the All" (the Universe, God...)
and
Neti Neti—the idea that "nothing belongs to me."

If I am everything, then everything is mine...

But that "everything"—that divine essence I supposedly am—is actually nothingness; just empty space where energy vibrates at certain frequencies on a 3D level.

How could anyone possibly "own" something that is, at its core, just energy vibrating at a specific frequency?

You aren't going to find an answer to this using our standard 3D minds.
To actually grasp this, you need a glimpse into a higher reality.
Mark Wells Mark Wells Newcomer
1 message
joined Feb 2008
#28 ·
Being grateful actually brings good luck...
just stay thankful..
people are just terrified of anything they can't wrap their heads around..
listen up if you actually want to learn something..😉
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
373 messages
joined Sep 2010
#29 ·
We don't need to lose sleep over God.
There’s really no reason to dread death.
The good things in life? They’re right there for the taking.
And the bad stuff? It's simple enough to steer clear of.
Epicurus
Michael Moore3 Michael Moore3 Active Member
83 messages
joined Oct 2003
#30 ·
Amanda Roberts21 said:Yeah... it's a hell of a question.
Honestly, you can boil this whole thing down to two fundamental axioms that seem to clash head-on:

Aham Brahmasmi—meaning "I am the All" (the Universe, God...)
and
Neti Neti—the idea that "nothing belongs to me."

If I am everything, then everything is mine...

But that "everything"—that divine essence I supposedly am—is actually nothingness; just empty space where energy vibrates at certain frequencies on a 3D level.

How could anyone possibly "own" something that is, at its core, just energy vibrating at a specific frequency?

You aren't going to find an answer to this using our standard 3D minds.
To actually grasp this, you need a glimpse into a higher reality.

The whole concept of "ownership" belongs to the material realm, which is inherently limiting.

I suspect humanity will only move toward its next evolutionary stage once we manage to flip the mental switch from "possessing" things to simply "utilizing" them; our current civilization seems obsessed with hoarding matter that holds no real value instead of actually experiencing and engaging with it.

To put it plainly:
It’s much like a child who keeps getting more candy than they can ever eat, so they just hoard it all up rather than sharing with those around them. That kind of kid grows up to be someone selfish and spoiled, eventually left alone with nothing but a pile of sugar and an addiction to it—there's no real fulfillment in that, and frankly, that's pretty much where our collective spirit stands right now.

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