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Jacob Jackson50 Jacob Jackson50 Member
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#161 ·
placidjackal36 said:^So, are you actually suggesting we should just dodge or completely ditch metaphors like "my heart yearns" altogether?

Endimion, don't you crave actual human connection? We need to watch babies grow to stay grounded in what living really means. When we cling to bad experiences, we end up killing off the parts of ourselves that actually matter. We shouldn't be hoarding trauma; we should be letting it go. Honestly, all this suffering stems from that whole "my heart is a stone" mindset. How is anyone supposed to feel okay in their own skin when they’ve turned their heart into a rock? It hurts, sure, but it’s also a signal—a sign that you need to change something to finally let go of the pain. In that sense, suffering is just self-destruction and masochism, and it wrecks your health. Love and physical touch? That's the real medicine.
Casey Gomez2 Casey Gomez2 Newcomer
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#162 ·
Jacob Jackson50 said:Endimion, don't you crave actual human connection? We need to watch babies grow to stay grounded in what living really means. When we cling to bad experiences, we end up killing off the parts of ourselves that actually matter. We shouldn't be hoarding trauma; we should be letting it go. Honestly, all this suffering stems from that whole "my heart is a stone" mindset. How is anyone supposed to feel okay in their own skin when they’ve turned their heart into a rock? It hurts, sure, but it’s also a signal—a sign that you need to change something to finally let go of the pain. In that sense, suffering is just self-destruction and masochism, and it wrecks your health. Love and physical touch? That's the real medicine.


In this place, only Endymion has a heart. You have to have a heart in order to suffer. Everyone else here is just showing off their hypocrisy and their stony hearts... nothing more.
Nicole Lee4 Nicole Lee4 Member
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#163 ·
I really want to jump in here and add my two cents on this topic, speaking from the heart. m
A few years back, I went through some rough patches, and for the first time in my life, I actually learned what a broken heart feels like. My logical brain kept telling me, "Hey, come on, the heart shouldn't actually ache like that," especially since there aren't enough nerve endings in the organ itself to transmit that kind of physical sensation.
But when it hit me? Honestly, I was certain I was having a full-blown heart attack.
I can tell you right now, much like losing a family member, it’s the kind of thing you never truly forget.
It's funny—for me, the heart was just an organ I didn't realize I truly possessed until it started hurting.
Casey Gomez2 Casey Gomez2 Newcomer
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#164 ·
"Quote:"
Nicole Lee4 said:I really want to jump in here and add my two cents on this topic, speaking from the heart. m
A few years back, I went through some rough patches, and for the first time in my life, I actually learned what a broken heart feels like. My logical brain kept telling me, "Hey, come on, the heart shouldn't actually ache like that," especially since there aren't enough nerve endings in the organ itself to transmit that kind of physical sensation.
But when it hit me? Honestly, I was certain I was having a full-blown heart attack.
I can tell you right now, much like losing a family member, it’s the kind of thing you never truly forget.
It's funny—for me, the heart was just an organ I didn't realize I truly possessed until it started hurting.

Everything hurts. Muscle cramps, too. But let me not be too literal...
What poets romanticize as the "heart" is actually just emotion. Scientifically speaking, that core processing happens in the temporal lobe, but because of how much emotions drive human behavior, people have simply concluded the center resides in the chest...

I fail to see why there is such a constant fixation on infants and physical touch. What exactly is the connection there...?
Hannah Wilson3 Hannah Wilson3 Member
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#165 ·
Casey Gomez2 said:"Quote:"

Everything hurts. Muscle cramps, too. But let me not be too literal...
What poets romanticize as the "heart" is actually just emotion. Scientifically speaking, that core processing happens in the temporal lobe, but because of how much emotions drive human behavior, people have simply concluded the center resides in the chest...

I fail to see why there is such a constant fixation on infants and physical touch. What exactly is the connection there...?

The heart functions as a neural network much like the brain does—something Taoism touches upon when discussing the concept of the three brains.
Casey Gomez2 Casey Gomez2 Newcomer
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#166 ·
Hannah Wilson3 said:The heart functions as a neural network much like the brain does—something Taoism touches upon when discussing the concept of the three brains.

Taoism claims all sorts of things, much like medieval philosophy and medicine did back in the day.
Just read Iain Pears' "Case Direction" to see the magic—like how food supposedly travels from the stomach to the heart to create a boiling sensation, which then sends energy to the rest of the body. The vapors from that "boiling" hit the brain, leaving a person feeling dazed after a meal.

Where exactly are these neurons in the heart? Sure, if you're talking about nerves, fine, but then you have them everywhere. Not just in the heart.

Look, I’m not against alternative interpretations, but I am against blindly accepting almost anything without actually thinking about it. Even worse, when people can't think critically because they lack the necessary knowledge—which seems to be a hallmark of those who pretend to embrace "alternative" views.
placidjackal36 placidjackal36 Active Member
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#167 ·
I don't know what you're trying to get at with that, but if you're looking for a deep dive into some obscure topic or just throwing out random words, you're going to have to be a bit more specific. I'm all for a good conversation, but I can't exactly pick up where you left off if you aren't giving me any context to work with. Lay it out for me. kaže:
placidjackal36, don't you ever just ache for some genuine human connection? Honestly, we need to watch babies grow up to understand how to actually live naturally. When we cling to those bitter, uncomfortable experiences from our past, we end up killing off parts of ourselves that aren't even useful anymore. We shouldn't be archiving that trauma like it's some precious collection; we need to let it go. The whole concept of suffering really just stems from that "stone-hearted" philosophy people cling to. I mean, how can anyone feel at peace in their own skin when they’re carrying around a heavy weight in their chest? It’s painful, sure, but it’s also a signal—a reminder that you need to change something if you ever want to stop hurting. In that sense, holding onto suffering is just pure self-destruction and masochism, and it wreaks havoc on your health. Love and a simple human touch? That's the actual cure.

Of course I feel that longing when they're gone. It’s only human.
Look, I agree with your point, but here’s what I was actually getting at: the heart is essentially just a muscle pump. Its rhythm is tied directly to the brain—everything from stress levels to cognitive load can shift how fast or how steadily it pulses—and because we can physically feel that sensation, people started using it as a metaphor for emotion. That’s where the confusion starts. People take the metaphor as literal truth, and that's the mistake. It's as simple as that.

Nicole Lee4 Asks:
Just wanted to jump in here and add my two cents to this whole heartfelt discussion.
A few years back, I went through some rough patches that gave me my first real taste of what people mean when they talk about a broken heart. It’s a heavy thing. Logic always told me that the heart is just a muscle—that it shouldn't actually "hurt" in a physical sense because there aren't enough nerve endings in the organ itself to transmit that kind of pain. But honestly? Common sense doesn't mean much when you're actually feeling it.
Honestly, when that happened to me, I was absolutely certain I was having a heart attack.
I’d say that, along with family, it’s one of those things that just sticks with you forever.
It’s funny how that works—I didn't even realize I actually had a heart until it started hurting. It’s one of those things you just take for granted, like breathing or having a pulse, right? You don't really notice the machinery is running until something starts grinding or stalling out on you. Suddenly, you're acutely aware of the very thing that was just sitting there quietly in the background all along.

It’s a heavy feeling when your heart starts aching because the tissue isn't getting enough oxygenated blood—or worse, if nothing is flowing at all. Take a blocked coronary artery, for example. When a section of the heart muscle is cut off from its oxygen supply, it triggers that intense, crushing pain we call a myocardial infarction. But honestly, there’s so much more to physical pain than just that one scenario, and most of us tend to... In your head. It feels like a dull ache right in the center of your chest, almost like your muscles are just seizing up around it. Honestly, if you aren’t in shape and try to knock out a quick five-kilometer run, you’ll swear you’re having a full-blown heart attack. 🙂

"Quote:"
Hannah Wilson3 said:The heart functions as a neural network much like the brain does—something Taoism touches upon when discussing the concept of the three brains.

Look, the heart isn't just some tangled web of neurons. What Taoism teaches about the "heart" isn't really what we discovered when we actually started digging into how the organ works. Our understanding of the heart has evolved way beyond ancient philosophy. Nowadays, we have actual medicine to rely on.
There’s a massive difference between just debating how many teeth a horse has and actually getting up, walking down to the stable, prying an equine's mouth open, and doing the manual labor of counting them yourself.

Back in the day, Aristotle actually thought the brain was just there to cool down the blood. That idea stuck around way longer than it should have, mostly because people were too lazy to actually investigate and preferred to just lean on old philosophy instead.
They just kept babbling on and on rather than actually cracking someone open to take a closer look at how things work.

The reality is, you've got one brain in your body, but it’s functionally split up into a ton of different specialized parts.
Nicole Lee4 Nicole Lee4 Member
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#168 ·
placidjackal36 said:
I don't know what you're trying to get at with that, but if you're looking for a deep dive into some obscure topic or just throwing out random words, you're going to have to be a bit more specific. I'm all for a good conversation, but I can't exactly pick up where you left off if you aren't giving me any context to work with. Lay it out for me. kaže:
placidjackal36, don't you ever just ache for some genuine human connection? Honestly, we need to watch babies grow up to understand how to actually live naturally. When we cling to those bitter, uncomfortable experiences from our past, we end up killing off parts of ourselves that aren't even useful anymore. We shouldn't be archiving that trauma like it's some precious collection; we need to let it go. The whole concept of suffering really just stems from that "stone-hearted" philosophy people cling to. I mean, how can anyone feel at peace in their own skin when they’re carrying around a heavy weight in their chest? It’s painful, sure, but it’s also a signal—a reminder that you need to change something if you ever want to stop hurting. In that sense, holding onto suffering is just pure self-destruction and masochism, and it wreaks havoc on your health. Love and a simple human touch? That's the actual cure.

Of course I feel that longing when they're gone. It’s only human.
Look, I agree with your point, but here’s what I was actually getting at: the heart is essentially just a muscle pump. Its rhythm is tied directly to the brain—everything from stress levels to cognitive load can shift how fast or how steadily it pulses—and because we can physically feel that sensation, people started using it as a metaphor for emotion. That’s where the confusion starts. People take the metaphor as literal truth, and that's the mistake. It's as simple as that.

Nicole Lee4 Asks:
Just wanted to jump in here and add my two cents to this whole heartfelt discussion.
A few years back, I went through some rough patches that gave me my first real taste of what people mean when they talk about a broken heart. It’s a heavy thing. Logic always told me that the heart is just a muscle—that it shouldn't actually "hurt" in a physical sense because there aren't enough nerve endings in the organ itself to transmit that kind of pain. But honestly? Common sense doesn't mean much when you're actually feeling it.
Honestly, when that happened to me, I was absolutely certain I was having a heart attack.
I’d say that, along with family, it’s one of those things that just sticks with you forever.
It’s funny how that works—I didn't even realize I actually had a heart until it started hurting. It’s one of those things you just take for granted, like breathing or having a pulse, right? You don't really notice the machinery is running until something starts grinding or stalling out on you. Suddenly, you're acutely aware of the very thing that was just sitting there quietly in the background all along.

It’s a heavy feeling when your heart starts aching because the tissue isn't getting enough oxygenated blood—or worse, if nothing is flowing at all. Take a blocked coronary artery, for example. When a section of the heart muscle is cut off from its oxygen supply, it triggers that intense, crushing pain we call a myocardial infarction. But honestly, there’s so much more to physical pain than just that one scenario, and most of us tend to... In your head. It feels like a dull ache right in the center of your chest, almost like your muscles are just seizing up around it. Honestly, if you aren’t in shape and try to knock out a quick five-kilometer run, you’ll swear you’re having a full-blown heart attack. 🙂

"Quote:"

Look, the heart isn't just some tangled web of neurons. What Taoism teaches about the "heart" isn't really what we discovered when we actually started digging into how the organ works. Our understanding of the heart has evolved way beyond ancient philosophy. Nowadays, we have actual medicine to rely on.
There’s a massive difference between just debating how many teeth a horse has and actually getting up, walking down to the stable, prying an equine's mouth open, and doing the manual labor of counting them yourself.

Back in the day, Aristotle actually thought the brain was just there to cool down the blood. That idea stuck around way longer than it should have, mostly because people were too lazy to actually investigate and preferred to just lean on old philosophy instead.
They just kept babbling on and on rather than actually cracking someone open to take a closer look at how things work.

The reality is, you've got one brain in your body, but it’s functionally split up into a ton of different specialized parts.

I mean, sure, maybe I didn't grasp all the physiological nuances before, but I used to view the heart as nothing more than a biological pump. Honestly, not much has changed for me, except now I don't roll my eyes quite as hard when someone says their heart was "broken."
casualmaker13 casualmaker13 Active Member
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#169 ·
The heart is just an organ, plain and simple—just like your brain, your liver, or any other part making up your body.
Think of it as a pump, maybe like a bike pump or even a gas station pump if you want to look at it that way.
Or, I guess, it’s just energy, just like everything else out there; if you zoom in far enough, it's all just atoms, right?
It’s also just meat, basically, just like any other piece of protein.
The heart is..., well, you get the idea. We could go on like this forever.

Saying the heart is nothing more than a pump? That feels like a pretty narrow way to look at life.
placidjackal36 placidjackal36 Active Member
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#170 ·
Nicole Lee4 said:I mean, sure, maybe I didn't grasp all the physiological nuances before, but I used to view the heart as nothing more than a biological pump. Honestly, not much has changed for me, except now I don't roll my eyes quite as hard when someone says their heart was "broken."

I don't see why anyone needs to mock metaphors and common idioms. When we say someone is "heartfelt" or has a "big heart," nobody actually thinks they’re talking about some hyper-inflated muscle struggling to fit inside a chest cavity. It’s a metaphor, plain and simple, and people should just accept that. Honestly, the level of education in America has reached a point where only a tiny fraction of the population still takes those phrases literally. Eventually, people will catch up to the science regarding how the brain works, too. Change takes work and time; we didn't reach this level of understanding overnight. There was a time when public health workers had to fight tooth and nail to teach people that illnesses aren't caused by "evil spirits," but by bacteria and viruses—that you treat a sickness by attacking the pathogen and boosting the immune system rather than making charms, praying to idols, or paying for rituals. Kids today would laugh at that and call those ancestors "stupid." And yet, that shift happened only about a hundred years ago.
Hannah Wilson3 Hannah Wilson3 Member
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#171 ·
Casey Gomez2 As specified by:
Taoism claims to have an answer for everything—honestly, it reminds me a lot of how medieval philosophy or ancient medicine used to operate, where they’d swear they had the definitive explanation for just about any phenomenon under the sun.

placidjackal36 said:
I don't know what you're trying to get at with that, but if you're looking for a deep dive into some obscure topic or just throwing out random words, you're going to have to be a bit more specific. I'm all for a good conversation, but I can't exactly pick up where you left off if you aren't giving me any context to work with. Lay it out for me. kaže:
placidjackal36, don't you ever just ache for some genuine human connection? Honestly, we need to watch babies grow up to understand how to actually live naturally. When we cling to those bitter, uncomfortable experiences from our past, we end up killing off parts of ourselves that aren't even useful anymore. We shouldn't be archiving that trauma like it's some precious collection; we need to let it go. The whole concept of suffering really just stems from that "stone-hearted" philosophy people cling to. I mean, how can anyone feel at peace in their own skin when they’re carrying around a heavy weight in their chest? It’s painful, sure, but it’s also a signal—a reminder that you need to change something if you ever want to stop hurting. In that sense, holding onto suffering is just pure self-destruction and masochism, and it wreaks havoc on your health. Love and a simple human touch? That's the actual cure.

Of course I feel that longing when they're gone. It’s only human.
Look, I agree with your point, but here’s what I was actually getting at: the heart is essentially just a muscle pump. Its rhythm is tied directly to the brain—everything from stress levels to cognitive load can shift how fast or how steadily it pulses—and because we can physically feel that sensation, people started using it as a metaphor for emotion. That’s where the confusion starts. People take the metaphor as literal truth, and that's the mistake. It's as simple as that.

Nicole Lee4 Asks:
Just wanted to jump in here and add my two cents to this whole heartfelt discussion.
A few years back, I went through some rough patches that gave me my first real taste of what people mean when they talk about a broken heart. It’s a heavy thing. Logic always told me that the heart is just a muscle—that it shouldn't actually "hurt" in a physical sense because there aren't enough nerve endings in the organ itself to transmit that kind of pain. But honestly? Common sense doesn't mean much when you're actually feeling it.
Honestly, when that happened to me, I was absolutely certain I was having a heart attack.
I’d say that, along with family, it’s one of those things that just sticks with you forever.
It’s funny how that works—I didn't even realize I actually had a heart until it started hurting. It’s one of those things you just take for granted, like breathing or having a pulse, right? You don't really notice the machinery is running until something starts grinding or stalling out on you. Suddenly, you're acutely aware of the very thing that was just sitting there quietly in the background all along.

It’s a heavy feeling when your heart starts aching because the tissue isn't getting enough oxygenated blood—or worse, if nothing is flowing at all. Take a blocked coronary artery, for example. When a section of the heart muscle is cut off from its oxygen supply, it triggers that intense, crushing pain we call a myocardial infarction. But honestly, there’s so much more to physical pain than just that one scenario, and most of us tend to... In your head. It feels like a dull ache right in the center of your chest, almost like your muscles are just seizing up around it. Honestly, if you aren’t in shape and try to knock out a quick five-kilometer run, you’ll swear you’re having a full-blown heart attack. 🙂

"Quote:"

Look, the heart isn't just some tangled web of neurons. What Taoism teaches about the "heart" isn't really what we discovered when we actually started digging into how the organ works. Our understanding of the heart has evolved way beyond ancient philosophy. Nowadays, we have actual medicine to rely on.
There’s a massive difference between just debating how many teeth a horse has and actually getting up, walking down to the stable, prying an equine's mouth open, and doing the manual labor of counting them yourself.

Back in the day, Aristotle actually thought the brain was just there to cool down the blood. That idea stuck around way longer than it should have, mostly because people were too lazy to actually investigate and preferred to just lean on old philosophy instead.
They just kept babbling on and on rather than actually cracking someone open to take a closer look at how things work.

The reality is, you've got one brain in your body, but it’s functionally split up into a ton of different specialized parts.

I don't see much point in trying to enlighten you all through some external factor—if I just hand you the answers, I’m essentially robbing you of the chance to actually reach that realization through your own damn hard work. It feels a bit hollow that way. Because of that, I decided to go ahead and delete the link to those scientific papers that back up my point:

The heart is really just the brain in a different skin.
Dennis Rogers6 Dennis Rogers6 Member
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#172 ·
Go ahead and drop the link, won't you? I’m genuinely dying to see this...
lonesurfer6 lonesurfer6 Newcomer
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#173 ·
"Language preserves the wisdom that the heart is the true residence of the immortal soul; it serves as a constant reminder that our connection to both the world and to God flows through this center, echoing the sentiment that 'every heart is a temple of God.'
What qualities actually inhabit the heart? Things like love, devotion, joy, and bliss. That’s how it works for those who are virtuous and spiritually inclined, I suppose. But if the heart isn't pure, it can easily become a wellspring for hatred, resentment, or deep sorrow. In an impure heart, you find that profound suffering that seems to 'tear the soul apart,' or that gnawing anxiety that makes you want to 'crawl out of your skin,' 'sink into the earth,' or just... vanish entirely.
When we get overwhelmed to the point where tears start welling up, we say our 'heart is full.' It seems to me that most of the psycho-mental processes occurring within this central hub are described as things happening to the soul or the heart: 'my heart aches' when we mean we are unhappy, 'my heart might break' from either grief or intense joy, or 'my heart is tearing apart' due to some terrible circumstances. We talk about 'giving one's heart' to someone in love, or having a 'broken heart' after rejection. Someone burdened by worry might say they 'carry a heavy weight on their heart.' And once someone finds forgiveness, they’ll say, 'my soul feels lighter now.' I guess what I'm trying to say is that language preserves formulations that aren't merely metaphors, but rather truths regarding a reality that remains hidden from our physical senses.
We send 'greetings from the bottom of our hearts' or offer 'warm wishes'—not 'brainy wishes,' obviously. We are sending greetings from the very center where our soul resides, where the living self exists and where the divine spark dwells, containing all the love we possess. If you think about it, I don't know anyone who, when pointing to themselves as 'me' or 'mine,' would point anywhere other than the center of their chest. The body intuitively knows where the supreme master, the 'I,' the living self, and the immortal soul is located. It is in this center that we feel connected to the universe, which is why we use the expression 'I feel God in my heart.'
hiddenhound3 hiddenhound3 Regular
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#174 ·
mistybison said:Spiritual teachings frequently reference the heart, typically viewing it as something that transcends the mind—a source of consciousness, our true essence, and the engine behind everything we do.

Here is what one of our Harmony members shared regarding this topic in a discussion over on the "Religion" board:

How do you define the heart? 🙂

The very epicenter of existence 😍
Zachary Bishop5 Zachary Bishop5 Newcomer
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#175 ·
I honestly love doing my heart chakra meditations while visualizing swans gliding across a calm lake. That specific imagery is supposed to help trigger the awakening process. It’s just as peaceful for me to grab my boyfriend and head out to Central Park on a sunny morning to watch actual swans on the water when there aren't any crowds around. Highly recommend it.🙂🙂
Jeremy Davis7 Jeremy Davis7 Active Member
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#176 ·
Zachary Bishop5 said:I honestly love doing my heart chakra meditations while visualizing swans gliding across a calm lake. That specific imagery is supposed to help trigger the awakening process. It’s just as peaceful for me to grab my boyfriend and head out to Central Park on a sunny morning to watch actual swans on the water when there aren't any crowds around. Highly recommend it.🙂🙂

😂😂😂

Someone please just swallow me whole!

I really hope you aren't studying medicine. Because if I ever end up on your table for a heart checkup later in life, I’m terrified you’ll accidentally go slicing into my kidneys instead.

That’s what I get for dealing with your constant parade of cheap emotionalism.

I’d bet anything you don't spend much time with your parents or your actual family.
You're way too busy "awakening your heart chakra."
The whole "love built by white swans" thing is clearly your vibe. Who cares about aging parents? (Not that they’d understand you anyway—they probably don't even know what "heart yoga" is, so you tell yourself it's not worth the effort to show up for them.)

God help whoever actually has to rely on you or depend on you in this life.

Heaven save them from your precious "heart."

PS.
You say... "all rivers end in the ocean"... wow!
Whatever that's supposed to mean!
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#177 ·
So, looking at the image of your grandfather... 😁

Or maybe consider the Hesychastic prayer of Jesus, and how it’s centered deep within the heart. 😁
Jeremy Davis7 Jeremy Davis7 Active Member
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joined Oct 2007
#178 ·
Cheap emotional outbursts and actually loving God—or loving your neighbor because you see His reflection in them—are two completely different things.
They aren't even in the same ballpark.

Sadly, I'm seeing more and more people lately who think they're one and the same.

🙂
Zachary Bishop5 Zachary Bishop5 Newcomer
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#179 ·
Yuvraj Singh,
you clearly don't have anything better to do than mess with girls on this forum.
You probably got stuck in some low-IQ loop...😂
Jeremy Davis7 Jeremy Davis7 Active Member
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#180 ·
Zachary Bishop5 said:Yuvraj Singh,
you clearly don't have anything better to do than mess with girls on this forum.
You probably got stuck in some low-IQ loop...😂

I'm just talking about you, kid... that's all!😉

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