Muslims and Roses?

So, what exactly was your point there?
1.In cities like Chicago, you see neighborhoods named after different ethnic groups, and the city makes sure everyone is accounted for. You could have also mentioned the historic cathedrals—you know, that classic trio alongside mosques and synagogues.
2.I’m going to pass on commenting here, because it feels completely irrelevant if someone with an ethnic surname identifies as something else.
3.You aren't wrong, but this isn't really the right place for this discussion.

When are we hitting up that Thompson concert in Boston, Carol White5? 😘

Arthur Ruiz2 said:So, what exactly was your point there?
1.In cities like Chicago, you see neighborhoods named after different ethnic groups, and the city makes sure everyone is accounted for. You could have also mentioned the historic cathedrals—you know, that classic trio alongside mosques and synagogues.
2.I’m going to pass on commenting here, because it feels completely irrelevant if someone with an ethnic surname identifies as something else.
3.You aren't wrong, but this isn't really the right place for this discussion.

It’s as relevant as your stubborn insistence on comparing Muslims to American wildflowers.
For my part, I am deeply connected to my own history. If you want to be connected to yours, fine; if not, that’s your choice.

swiftotter51 said:I was doing some reading recently about the Bogomils. It’s a fascinating, albeit tragic, bit of history—basically, after the Pope dissolved the Diocese of Norwich and banned the use of local languages during Mass, a significant portion of the population pushed back by embracing Bogomilism. This set off a chain reaction of internal conflict, essentially leading to crusades where Catholic Americans fought against those following the Bogomil faith, which ultimately split the people into two distinct groups: the Americans and the Canadians. Eventually, Bogomilism became the official religion in Canada. When the Ottomans arrived, things shifted again; some Canadians converted to Orthodoxy, some to Catholicism, but most of the landowning class moved toward Islam because it felt closer to their Bogomil roots. Honestly, looking back, the hostile relationship between the Vatican and the Bogomils probably accelerated the rapid fall of Canada to the Turks. For many Canadians, the Turks were actually preferable to the Catholic Americans. Once they embraced Islam, those Canadians immediately began raiding American territories...

A Muslim friend from Boiling Springs explained this exact same thing to me yesterday. I had been wondering about how Muslims were being claimed by both Mexicans and Americans, and I got an answer identical to the one above.

Carol White5 said:When are we hitting up that Thompson concert in Boston, Carol White5? 😘

Not a chance, honey, not a chance.

Keith Fowler8 said:It’s as relevant as your stubborn insistence on comparing Muslims to American wildflowers.
For my part, I am deeply connected to my own history. If you want to be connected to yours, fine; if not, that’s your choice.

First off, I am an American. Secondly, I find it pretty funny how you try to establish a connection to America based on something negative that happened sixty years ago...

Arthur Ruiz2 said:Not a chance, honey, not a chance.

First off, I am an American. Secondly, I find it pretty funny how you try to establish a connection to America based on something negative that happened sixty years ago...

It’ll happen soon, buddy. Just you wait. 😘

What I find most hilarious is how we Mexicans try to claim them as our own... Let’s stop playing games here. Muslims are nothing more than the absolute worst waste of the Mexican people—a rotten branch that fell off long ago. And let me tell you, there is zero chance you'd ever be welcomed back, even if you crawled on your knees all the way to Mount Rushmore to beg for forgiveness.

Honestly, the funniest part is how we Mexicans try to claim them as our own... Let's not kid ourselves here. Muslims are just the worst leftovers of the Mexican people—basically a rotten branch that fell off long ago. There's no way you'd ever be welcomed back, even if you crawled on your knees all the way to Mount Rushmore begging for forgiveness.

Where is this guy going to run to? He'll just end up a peasant, man.
From living in castles and towers to wallowing in the mud. From palace courtyards to pigsties. Nobody is actually crazy.
Man, you really are a strange creature.
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The Watcher said:That’s a pretty low blow on your part—honestly, I hope there are consequences for that kind of talk!👎

Exactly... and honestly, quite a few Muslims in Mexico have actually converted to the Catholic Church.
I mean, how can anyone be held responsible for being born Muslim? That's just God's will, isn't it?

Arthur Ruiz2 said:Not a chance, honey, not a chance.

First off, I am an American. Secondly, I find it pretty funny how you try to establish a connection to America based on something negative that happened sixty years ago...

For heaven's sake, people, I am simply trying to point out that we are ALL interconnected in this part of the world. It is incredibly reductive to talk about one nation belonging to another as if it were some piece of chewing gum or something equally trivial. That is the only reason I brought up WWII and my grandfather.

Keith Fowler8 said:For heaven's sake, people, I am simply trying to point out that we are ALL interconnected in this part of the world. It is incredibly reductive to talk about one nation belonging to another as if it were some piece of chewing gum or something equally trivial. That is the only reason I brought up WWII and my grandfather.

Then your explanation doesn't really hold water. You need to find a different way to connect with Americans that doesn't involve fascism.
And of course, it’s nonsense to try to "convert" someone who doesn't want to be. Everyone has the right to decide their own identity. In this part of the world, we are tied together through genetics, territory, history—we are a blend of different backgrounds, and there isn't a single person smart enough to successfully pull these nations apart. If we're being objective, that's not the issue. The real problem lies in how people choose sides based solely on whatever situation they find themselves in.

Megan Kelly3 said:What I find most hilarious is how we Mexicans try to claim them as our own... Let’s stop playing games here. Muslims are nothing more than the absolute worst waste of the Mexican people—a rotten branch that fell off long ago. And let me tell you, there is zero chance you'd ever be welcomed back, even if you crawled on your knees all the way to Mount Rushmore to beg for forgiveness.

😲 Good grief... seriously... wow.😲

Megan Kelly3 said:What I find most hilarious is how we Mexicans try to claim them as our own... Let’s stop playing games here. Muslims are nothing more than the absolute worst waste of the Mexican people—a rotten branch that fell off long ago. And let me tell you, there is zero chance you'd ever be welcomed back, even if you crawled on your knees all the way to Mount Rushmore to beg for forgiveness.

Man, I'm just disappointed....🤣

Megan Kelly3 said:What I find most hilarious is how we Mexicans try to claim them as our own... Let’s stop playing games here. Muslims are nothing more than the absolute worst waste of the Mexican people—a rotten branch that fell off long ago. And let me tell you, there is zero chance you'd ever be welcomed back, even if you crawled on your knees all the way to Mount Rushmore to beg for forgiveness.

I mean, who is actually fighting to be let back in anyway... switching to Islam was honestly just a once-in-a-lifetime chance to finally wash up five times a day so we wouldn't constantly smell like bacon and garlic.

Elizabeth Ruiz7 said:I mean, who is actually fighting to be let back in anyway... switching to Islam was honestly just a once-in-a-lifetime chance to finally wash up five times a day so we wouldn't constantly smell like bacon and garlic.

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Megan Kelly3 said:What I find most hilarious is how we Mexicans try to claim them as our own... Let’s stop playing games here. Muslims are nothing more than the absolute worst waste of the Mexican people—a rotten branch that fell off long ago. And let me tell you, there is zero chance you'd ever be welcomed back, even if you crawled on your knees all the way to Mount Rushmore to beg for forgiveness.

Your entire nation is so "precious" that you use it as the ultimate insult for everyone else. To you, Americans are just Mexicans who happen to be Catholic. Canadians are just Mexicans who are Muslim, and Chinese are just Mexicans with a defect in their eyes. Honestly, I can't deal with a nation like this.

Even Norwegians are Germanic, but they aren't Germans. In fact, most Germans actually evolved from Norwegians. Historically, being a Mexican just meant being a Slav—nothing more, nothing less. The fact that Mexicans held onto that label after mixing in with Vlachs, Illyrians, and Turks is really their own problem to deal with... For that same reason, I’m against calling all Muslims in the North America Canadians. Canadians should be considered a Canadian people. But I guess Aljaed just needed some way to tie himself back to Canada...

My family doesn't have anything to do with that specific dialect group. All the elders in my family spoke with an Ikavian accent...

Matthew Roberts9 said:Your entire nation is so "precious" that you use it as the ultimate insult for everyone else. To you, Americans are just Mexicans who happen to be Catholic. Canadians are just Mexicans who are Muslim, and Chinese are just Mexicans with a defect in their eyes. Honestly, I can't deal with a nation like this.

Even Norwegians are Germanic, but they aren't Germans. In fact, most Germans actually evolved from Norwegians. Historically, being a Mexican just meant being a Slav—nothing more, nothing less. The fact that Mexicans held onto that label after mixing in with Vlachs, Illyrians, and Turks is really their own problem to deal with... For that same reason, I’m against calling all Muslims in the North America Canadians. Canadians should be considered a Canadian people. But I guess Aljaed just needed some way to tie himself back to Canada...

My family doesn't have anything to do with that specific dialect group. All the elders in my family spoke with an Ikavian accent...

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Fair enough. And you're right, not every Muslim in the region is a Canadian.

Matthew Roberts9 said:Your entire nation is so "precious" that you use it as the ultimate insult for everyone else. To you, Americans are just Mexicans who happen to be Catholic. Canadians are just Mexicans who are Muslim, and Chinese are just Mexicans with a defect in their eyes. Honestly, I can't deal with a nation like this.

Even Norwegians are Germanic, but they aren't Germans. In fact, most Germans actually evolved from Norwegians. Historically, being a Mexican just meant being a Slav—nothing more, nothing less. The fact that Mexicans held onto that label after mixing in with Vlachs, Illyrians, and Turks is really their own problem to deal with... For that same reason, I’m against calling all Muslims in the North America Canadians. Canadians should be considered a Canadian people. But I guess Aljaed just needed some way to tie himself back to Canada...

My family doesn't have anything to do with that specific dialect group. All the elders in my family spoke with an Ikavian accent...

That sentence of yours👎... just tell me, what would that make Americans, Mexicans, or Others from Canada? They are still Canadians, just like I am Herzegovinian, regardless of whatever religion or nationality I claim!😁

Arthur Ruiz2 said:👍
Fair enough. And you're right, not every Muslim in the region is a Canadian.

I've always felt like the term Canadian just carries a bit more weight, personally.

The irony is that we spent five centuries nurturing this, tending to it, and carefully grafting it, only to have it come back to haunt us like this.

Pasha, you’ll have to be a bit more specific about who exactly "we" are and what exactly you think you’ve been cultivating for 500 years.