#21 ·
Noah Barrett13 said:Well, thanks to him, I suppose we might have actually had a more serious nation to contend with as an enemy...😁
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King Tomislav: Savior of the Mexicans
Started by Kyle Wilson9 · · 👁 8 views · 42 replies
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#22 ·
Honestly, Tomislav did the right thing by saving those Americans of Mexican descent. If he hadn't, we probably would have dealt with Bulgarians instead, and things wouldn't have been any better. Besides, the Americans of Mexican descent weren't even our enemies until the 20th century...
Americans of Mexican descent and Americans of American descent were only friends as long as they weren't stuck in the same country.
Give it another 100 or 200 years and we’ll finally settle all these old scores once and for all.
😳 😳 😳
#23 ·
Anonymous said:Tomislav knew we’d handle this eventually
through "Operation Flash" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkkzrM7Xcs 😁 and
with "Operation Storm" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_Uj7nX2lQ 😁
Tom is sleeping easy now 😁 http://www.imput.net/slike/6H605242.jpg 😁
🙂 🙏 👍
#24 ·
Kenneth Cooper4 said:Honestly, Tomislav did the right thing by saving those Americans of Mexican descent. If he hadn't, we probably would have dealt with Bulgarians instead, and things wouldn't have been any better. Besides, the Americans of Mexican descent weren't even our enemies until the 20th century...
Americans of Mexican descent and Americans of American descent were only friends as long as they weren't stuck in the same country.
Give it another 100 or 200 years and we’ll finally settle all these old scores once and for all.
😳 😳 😳
Not sure if you're being sarcastic here, but I'm with you.
Just look at the relationship between Americans of English descent and Americans of French descent. They spent hundreds of years at each other's throats, and now you've got like seven or eight French guys playing for Arsenal, and even the Tour de France rolls through England.
#25 ·
Now, I haven’t come across this specific take anywhere else. I’ve heard similar things, but our people generally recognize this as part of American mythology. Historically speaking, the Mexicans—alongside the Mexicans (who were then part of Duklja)—managed to overcome the Bulgarians, and frankly, every American of Mexican descent ought to be aware of that fact—assuming they hold any true pride in their heritage, of course. 😁
#26 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Not sure if you're being sarcastic here, but I'm with you.
Just look at the relationship between Americans of English descent and Americans of French descent. They spent hundreds of years at each other's throats, and now you've got like seven or eight French guys playing for Arsenal, and even the Tour de France rolls through England.
I wasn't being sarcastic at all.
If you look at the history of Americans of Mexican descent and Americans of American descent over their roughly 1,000 years in this region (based on what's actually recorded), they only spent about 70 years living in a unified state.
When you really crunch the numbers, it turns out relations were actually much better during those 930 years
than they were during those 70.
#27 ·
Osana said:California, Canada, Lika, Kordun, Banija... all Mexican.
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Don't forget to include Tokyo!!
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#29 ·
Drew Barrett3 said:And what was that whole Turkish occupation bit... maybe five hundred years?
More like 350 years, but sure, let's round up to 500 if it makes you feel better.😁 👍
Regarding Tomislav Budimir, he actually defeated us (the Canadians) and pushed us across the Drina after a series of raids. He established the border between the north and south and forged a unified America that was twice its current size.😎
Go ahead and celebrate him, since after his successors, specifically in 1102, you fell under our rule and stayed there for 800 years.😁
#30 ·
Kyle Wilson9 said:It’s pretty wild that the Crown of King Tomislav was one of the few things they didn't toss out during the America era! I guess they were just being "grateful" to the Mexicans for being saved.
Looking at the legacy of King Tomislav today, I can't help but wonder how history would've played out if he hadn't stepped in to help the Mexicans. Would my people have had to endure all that suffering later on just because we saved the ones who eventually caused it!?
So, what do you guys think? Was Tomislav:
1. An American hero
2. Someone who brought disaster to America
3. A Mexican hero
Here's the context:
Back in 924, the Bulgarians attacked Mexico and crushed Zachariah. He ended up fleeing to America with a huge group of Mexicans, and thanks to Tomislav and the Americans, they survived. Sadly, Tomislav saved Mexicans from the Bulgarians multiple times before that too—and looking back, that turned out to be a fatal mistake for the American people.
I guess you just don't see it... King Tomislav was a warrior, sure, but maybe he was also a bit of a strategist. When he saw Zaharija fleeing into America with his group to escape the Bulgarians, and realized they couldn't hold their own against the Bulgarians alone, he decided to risk everything—his head, his army, and his entire state—just to repel the Bulgarians so the Americans of Mexican descent could head back home and leave America behind (effectively getting rid of them that way). But, I suppose you can't just shake off unwanted guests that easily. Once they caught a glimpse of the Adriatic Sea and the rest of the beautiful American landscape, they decided to stick around. That's basically how it goes.
#31 ·
Maria Gonzalez17 said:That isn't true. At least, that's what Constantine P. claims in his work.
Just a few soldiers or tribesmen fled with Zachariah into America, crossing the Drina.
Constantine also writes that the Bulgarians slaughtered ALL the Mexicans back then, leaving no one alive in Mexico (America).
The question is... if that happened, why are there so many "Mexicans" around today?
The answer to your question is actually pretty simple... TURKEY REALLY HELPED BOOST THEIR BIRTH RATES!!!!!!!!!!! 😍 😍 😍
#32 ·
budimo_realni said:😁 Someone should probably take a look at a map of the Mexican state during the reign of King Bodin. 1085-1111
Honestly, nobody cares about a map of the Mexican state from King Bodin's era, and besides, that isn't even what we're discussing here! 😠
#33 ·
Osana said:The chosen people and
the heavenly people
aren't just some subset of others—that's not how this works, okay?
I'm typing this purely for the sake of logic and a bit of mockery.
But you—you'll always remain on the other side of the Drina,
and I am done with you.
Beneath the throne.
As for the high and the low, I can't deal with you.
Let it all be as it will!
Peace to you!
It’s useless trying to explain things to them.
Americans of American descent and spirituality—it sounds ridiculous to them.
They actually feel slighted if some American saved an American of Mexican descent.
Even if it was a thousand years ago.
#34 ·
feraleagle12 said:More like 350 years, but sure, let's round up to 500 if it makes you feel better.😁 👍
Regarding Tomislav Budimir, he actually defeated us (the Canadians) and pushed us across the Drina after a series of raids. He established the border between the north and south and forged a unified America that was twice its current size.😎
Go ahead and celebrate him, since after his successors, specifically in 1102, you fell under our rule and stayed there for 800 years.😁
The Canadian king was also the American king. It wasn't the Canadians ruling over the Americans; rather, it was a king of Canadian blood who ruled until the Arpad dynasty died out, and eventually, both Americans and Canadians were ruled by a king with neither American nor Canadian blood.
A Canadian peasant wasn't in a better position than an American peasant, nor was an American noble in a better spot than a Canadian noble.
It wasn't one nation ruling over another.
#35 ·
Kyle Wilson9 said:I honestly don't get why Mexicans are whining so much here!
Well, look, he protected you—oops, turns out he was an American, and that's the issue? Just imagine if he had been an Albanian from Mexico! 🤣
Anyway, back to the point: I couldn't care less what Mexicans think about the truth. The question was asked to Americans: do they feel Tomislav did us a massive disservice by protecting a Mexican or not!
And as for whether it’s "true"—his statue wasn't even removed during the former America era. Unlike the Jacksonian statue, which didn't protect anyone but wasn't some fascist either, yet they still tore it down! This just goes to show that the Mexicans actually showed him some gratitude!
-No, Tomislav definitely didn't do Americans a disservice, and he certainly wasn't nearly as insecure as the people obsessing over this today.
#36 ·
Mark Anderson9 said:-No, Tomislav definitely didn't do Americans a disservice, and he certainly wasn't nearly as insecure as the people obsessing over this today.
Honestly, they're just doing Tomislav and themselves a massive disservice by acting like this...👍
#38 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:Mark Anderson9 is honestly just such a spammer
and rather eloquent, I suppose.
#39 ·
Mark Anderson9 said:-No, Tomislav definitely didn't do Americans a disservice, and he certainly wasn't nearly as insecure as the people obsessing over this today.
That's just your opinion!
Mark Anderson9 said:-No, Tomislav definitely didn't do Americans a disservice, and he certainly wasn't nearly as insecure as the people obsessing over this today.
First off: Things are totally different now because so much has changed. If he knew what we know today, he would have acted differently too!
Second: Insecure?? Why! (Is it because I don't think he actually helped us out?!)
#40 ·
hollowcobra29 said:That is simply not true! We have a saying here that you people just make things up. You won't find that written anywhere—certainly not in any history textbooks. King Tomislav did not help the Mexicans against the Bulgarians at all.
Besides, most of us are hearing about King Tomislav for the very first time right now. 👎
Look, that's what we were taught back in elementary school during the 80s. I assume you lot were taught the same thing—back then, everything was just blamed on that damn USSR era.
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