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Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
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#101 ·
We also have

Rules regarding how you use quotes

So, please, I am asking you—just follow them! Especially when you're replying to the post right above yours. 😉
Ashley Barnes9 Ashley Barnes9 Member
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#102 ·
Here are the terms for the shorter 20-year option. Pay close attention to the coefficient (0.75%) that applies for the entire term if you opt for a bridge loan because you haven't hit that 40% savings threshold yet.

"The 40% down payment required under the Contract Corp for the bridge loan can be covered by personal funds, monthly bridge loan installments, or a mix of both. The repayment period lasts up to 20.3 years. The monthly installment remains fixed throughout the entire term at 0.75% of the total contract amount.

During the savings phase (before becoming eligible for the housing savings loan), the client pays a fixed monthly installment. Part of this goes toward loan repayment, while the other part is deposited into the Contract Corp accounts, allowing all family members to qualify for federal incentives and a fixed 2% annual interest rate on savings. Once eligibility for the housing loan is met, the total savings—boosted by federal incentives and interest—is used to pay down the bridge loan (for example, based on $22,000 in savings and 4 Contract Corp accounts held by family members, the gain would be approximately $870).

The client continues making payments at the same monthly rate (0.75% of the contract amount). Clients who have saved a portion of their own funds during the initial savings period before the bridge loan is issued may qualify for more favorable bridge loan terms, potentially featuring lower interest rates or shorter repayment periods.

Updates to the K100 fee schedule

Under the K100 schedule, the interest rate for bridge loans involving a currency clause is determined by the amount of personal funds available in the Contract Corp accounts used to approve the loan. If those funds at the time of approval are:

0 - 4.99% of the loan amount 5.99% annually
5 - 19.99% of the loan amount 5.49% annually
20 - 29.99% of the loan amount 4.99% annually
30 - 39.99% of the loan amount 3.99% annually
40% or more of the loan amount 2.99% annually
Donna Chase12 Donna Chase12 Active Member
169 messages
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#103 ·
Ashley Barnes9, I’m not gonna quote your second-to-last post just so I don't bloat this page with a massive wall of text... but just so you know what I'm reacting to here

Look, please—just go to Wells Fargo first. Actually ask them to run the exact numbers for a 20-year term versus a 24-year term... and then come back here trying to lecture us with math instead of just repeating some half-baked info you got from a quick phone call that’s confusing everyone who doesn't know the fine print of this loan...

Also, that 2.99% interest rate is the nominal rate... not the APR... and honestly, I have no clue under what specific conditions they'd even offer that... but don't go around saying it's impossible if you haven't actually done your homework...

I don't work for Wells Fargo, and I'm definitely not here to pitch them. I took out my mortgage there, and like I said—I know exactly why I chose them. One of the biggest reasons is so I don't end up in the mess you're in right now—dealing with interest rates creeping up and having to lose sleep over how to refinance everything...
The other reason is that I can pay it off early without getting hit by any crazy fees. Since I just came into some cash recently—and I'm expecting even more in a few years—I know I made the right call
But hey, do whatever you want... go switch your mortgage to a variable rate, and then in a year or two, you can be right back here stressing about what to do next...

And if you still need convincing, I'll happily drop my entire loan breakdown—the amount, the term, the monthly payments... whatever you want to see... then you can take those numbers to whatever bank you feel like and compare it for yourself...
When I was shopping around last year—before the Fed started hiking everything—Wells Fargo was clearly the better deal... maybe there's something slightly better out there now, but based on what you've said so far? You haven't convinced me.
Ashley Barnes9 Ashley Barnes9 Member
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#104 ·
Kimberly Nguyen said:We also have

Rules regarding how you use quotes

So, please, I am asking you—just follow them! Especially when you're replying to the post right above yours. 😉

I just wanted to keep my post from getting too long so it stays easy to read. If I broke any rules by doing that, my apologies...🙂
Ashley Barnes9 Ashley Barnes9 Member
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#105 ·
Donna Chase12 said:Ashley Barnes9, I’m not gonna quote your second-to-last post just so I don't bloat this page with a massive wall of text... but just so you know what I'm reacting to here

Look, please—just go to Wells Fargo first. Actually ask them to run the exact numbers for a 20-year term versus a 24-year term... and then come back here trying to lecture us with math instead of just repeating some half-baked info you got from a quick phone call that’s confusing everyone who doesn't know the fine print of this loan...

Also, that 2.99% interest rate is the nominal rate... not the APR... and honestly, I have no clue under what specific conditions they'd even offer that... but don't go around saying it's impossible if you haven't actually done your homework...

I don't work for Wells Fargo, and I'm definitely not here to pitch them. I took out my mortgage there, and like I said—I know exactly why I chose them. One of the biggest reasons is so I don't end up in the mess you're in right now—dealing with interest rates creeping up and having to lose sleep over how to refinance everything...
The other reason is that I can pay it off early without getting hit by any crazy fees. Since I just came into some cash recently—and I'm expecting even more in a few years—I know I made the right call
But hey, do whatever you want... go switch your mortgage to a variable rate, and then in a year or two, you can be right back here stressing about what to do next...

And if you still need convincing, I'll happily drop my entire loan breakdown—the amount, the term, the monthly payments... whatever you want to see... then you can take those numbers to whatever bank you feel like and compare it for yourself...
When I was shopping around last year—before the Fed started hiking everything—Wells Fargo was clearly the better deal... maybe there's something slightly better out there now, but based on what you've said so far? You haven't convinced me.

It feels like I posted this for nothing. Everything looks great in that link, and I even pasted the part where they explain it all so clearly. But look, I'm not trying to drag anyone by the arm or beg them to sign a five-year savings contract. For me personally, based on my own numbers, this specific loan isn't a good deal. It might work for someone else, and everyone should definitely do their own homework to be sure, but in my case, their interest rate is just too high. Even if the Fed hikes rates another two times and we go over 7%, it'll still be a better move for me to go elsewhere than to go with them...
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
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#106 ·
Hey Ashley Barnes9!
First you try to play nice with an apology, and then you go ahead and quote my entire damn post...

I’m scaling this back now, but consider this your final warning.
redmaker382 redmaker382 Member
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#107 ·
Zvonimir Boban, I don't have my spreadsheets handy, but I’ve got four different contracts here. Based on a 1% fee of the total amount, the interest rate on an ExxonMobil loan would be somewhere between 6.03% and 6.99%, though I get that the nominal rate is sitting at 4.99%. Honestly, I can't exactly do the math in my head right now.
Spin, you really shouldn't have just copy-pasted that. Those pages are confusing as hell—I learned that the hard way. I ended up going straight to the source because their longest tariff plan makes zero sense to me. Like Zvonimir Boban said, you actually have to go down there, grill an agent in person, and then you can make sense of the numbers.
If you don't mind, Zvonimir Boban, could you shoot me a DM with your breakdown? Thx
Donna Chase12 Donna Chase12 Active Member
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joined Nov 2007
#108 ·
spin, you really didn't need to dump all that info here—I'm pretty well-versed in how this stuff works already
and look... I get it, maybe that loan isn't a great deal for your specific situation, but it’s a stretch to call them bad across the board. It’s all about what works for the person sitting in the chair
for instance, I personally hate any loan with a variable interest rate, but that doesn't mean they're objectively terrible. For someone else—maybe even you—those rates might actually be the better move if it means a longer term and a lower monthly payment to keep things manageable
Donna Chase12 Donna Chase12 Active Member
169 messages
joined Nov 2007
#109 ·
Hey gaultier, sending this over to your inbox now
Michelle Foster13 Michelle Foster13 Member
33 messages
joined Nov 2006
#110 ·
Ashley Barnes9 said:I just realized what's happening here.

Good grief, you're being so shady. Every single bank offers a portion of cash (up to 20%) specifically for the needs you're describing. Some will even cover closing costs or tax fees if you don't have the funds—you just have to ask. It seems to me you haven't actually stepped foot in a serious American bank; instead, you're using one that offers nothing as your example, or maybe you're just playing games. I don't feel like digging through Hypothekarbank's loan programs right now, but if you're being dishonest, I'll be asking for you to be banned for this.
Actually, you've already been deceptive, and I think you're just using this forum as free advertising for Goldman Sachs.

You caught me! 🙈

😛
Michelle Foster13 Michelle Foster13 Member
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#111 ·
Donna Chase12 said:Who's this agent... Michelle Foster13? 😂😂😂...I mean, come on, you can tell she hasn't got a clue half the time

So that's how you're playing it—total undercover mode, huh, Zuckerberg? 😉
Michelle Foster13 Michelle Foster13 Member
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#112 ·
Ashley Barnes9 said:Run the numbers one more time just to be safe—don't let them take advantage of you. Ask them for a full breakdown of all additional costs during the savings period, because that's a significant amount of time. Check out those calculation examples in the links and compare them. Compare the interest rates and the total amount you'll end up paying across all contracts over that period. Also, ask what happens if the Democratic Party cuts things again—will your monthly payment go up, and by how much? And seriously, ask how it’s possible for their interest rates to be higher than the bank's when the monthly payments are identical. Don't forget that they offer a loan at 4.99% while the bank is at 6.3%, yet the annuities stay the same. I think you realized that yourself a while ago, but you still haven't gotten a straight answer...👍

Keep that Midwest spirit alive!
Ashley Barnes9 Ashley Barnes9 Member
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#113 ·
Michelle Foster13 said:Keep that Midwest spirit alive!

hehehe... sorry Kimberly Nguyen, didn't mean to mess up your business model if I did...😁

but hey, why don't you drop the numbers for that "credit" you took out? Let's finally settle once and for all who actually has the better deal and under what terms...
Michelle Foster13 Michelle Foster13 Member
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joined Nov 2006
#114 ·
Ashley Barnes9 said:hehehe... sorry Kimberly Nguyen, didn't mean to mess up your business model if I did...😁

but hey, why don't you drop the numbers for that "credit" you took out? Let's finally settle once and for all who actually has the better deal and under what terms...


???? what is this even about????

As for everything else... I've run those numbers plenty of times! I've actually sat down and compared my accounts at two major US banks, and honestly, I've realized that what I have right now works best for me.

I really don't get why you're making such a big deal out of this—why do you feel the need to post such nonsense? 😕

If you aren't going to offer any actual constructive math, suggestions, or helpful advice, then please, just move along from this thread 😛
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
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#115 ·
Alright, let’s just dial back the heat for a second so we can actually move this conversation forward.
Ashley Barnes9 Ashley Barnes9 Member
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#116 ·
Michelle Foster13 said:???? what is this even about????

As for everything else... I've run those numbers plenty of times! I've actually sat down and compared my accounts at two major US banks, and honestly, I've realized that what I have right now works best for me.

I really don't get why you're making such a big deal out of this—why do you feel the need to post such nonsense? 😕

If you aren't going to offer any actual constructive math, suggestions, or helpful advice, then please, just move along from this thread 😛

If we're bragging about credentials, I have accounts at three of the biggest banks in the country, but you only really hold "client status" with the one where your main income is deposited. Not that it's relevant to the topic, though.

No one is disputing my point that if you have to take out a loan for interim financing, getting it through a savings institution is cheaper than any standard mortgage from a big bank. Either dispute my math or show me yours so we can compare. I recently visited some local branches, and their calculations are totally transparent—you can find them right on their websites. Savings institutions, especially places like Wustell, are completely opaque. It isn't clear to anyone what they are actually offering or under what terms. They make it impossible to figure out how they calculate those famous interest rates when a monthly payment for a 4.49% rate looks identical to a 4.99% rate, or significantly higher than what a major bank would charge for the same rate.
Go ahead and disprove my calculation, and please explain what those 0.415% coefficients actually mean and what they are being multiplied by.
You wouldn't seriously take out a loan without knowing exactly what you're paying, right?
rowdylynx4 rowdylynx4 Member
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#117 ·
Spin, nobody’s actually disputing you here because your math is spot on.

Now, Charles Schwab and similar savings associations offer certain perks—things like fixed interest rates, zero penalties for early repayment, and the ability to make flexible extra payments. That provides people with a sense of relative security and predictability, even if we have to consider the possibility that government incentives might be scaled back in the coming years.

That being said, the reality is that Charles Schwab is pretty opaque about what they’re actually offering. You get a low fixed rate, yet the monthly annuity remains high and the APR is steep; plus, you can't easily get a clear look at the amortization schedule or how the principal actually decreases over time.

I went ahead and ran the numbers myself, pulling various calculations and repayment tables from both Charles Schwab and my primary commercial bank (where I happen to have some discounts). For a $100,000 loan over a 20-year term, it turns out I’d end up paying roughly $20,000 more with Charles Schwab.
In my view, that would be the premium you pay for the "peace of mind" that comes with their fixed terms—a price I find a bit excessive.

Ultimately, I don't think there's a single correct answer; the right choice really just boils down to individual temperament and how much risk you're willing to stomach.
Donna Chase12 Donna Chase12 Active Member
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#118 ·
IBM... those government subsidies only stick around for maybe five years... which is nothing compared to how long you're stuck paying off a mortgage—usually 20 to 30 years... and that’s with variable interest rates breathing down your neck
Yeah, I get that the Democratic Party could shift gears (they've done it before), but honestly? The risk of the Democratic Party changing their tune is way lower than the massive gamble of dealing with floating interest rates over such a long stretch of time

And look, I totally agree there’s no one-size-fits-all answer here... what works perfectly for one person is a total nightmare for someone else...

But I gotta mention... you can already see the fallout from people who just recently took out loans with variable rates (especially those tied to foreign currencies)... they're complaining that their monthly payments have shot up by, say, $133 or more, saying the banks are being unfair and all that... even though they were the ones who signed off on those exact terms... I don't know, I could never handle that kind of uncertainty
rowdylynx4 rowdylynx4 Member
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#119 ·
A $20,000 "nest egg" is a pretty decent cushion, and I’m counting on those interest rates to run wild enough to make my future bank loan look even more expensive by comparison. That's the risk I'm willing to take.
Donna Chase12 Donna Chase12 Active Member
169 messages
joined Nov 2007
#120 ·
Maybe that works for you... but in my experience, I just end up putting less into Goldman Sachs right from the jump.

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