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You describe those color associations quite nicely, I suppose. That’s really all there is to it.
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Elizabeth Ruiz65 said:Isn't this just a purely ethnocentric perspective? That's how this part of the world generally
perceives red, for instance—as a symbol of aggression or hostility. That doesn't
mean red actually possesses any inherent qualities of that sort,
assuming it even has intrinsic properties to begin with.
Christian Parker2 said:Hey everyone,😎 this is my first time posting here. I figured I'd start things off by throwing a question out there that I can't seem to wrap my head around. I've been stuck on this for a few hours now and I'm still coming up empty. The question is... How would you explain the concept of color to someone who is blind?
Matthew Cruz41 said:I remember this one movie where a guy falls for a blind girl and tries to describe colors to her... there was this one scene...
He grabbed some ice and put it in her hands, explaining blue as the color of cold and snow...
Then he took something hot (I think it was just a warm piece of food) to show her how red represents heat, warmth, love, and all that...
Maybe it helps, but honestly, that part of the film was beautiful.👍
placidjackal36 said:That’s that flick with the lead actor who has that disfigured skull—I can't recall the title. If I remember correctly, his osteoclasts went haywire or something and caused massive bone growth. 🤔
He gave her a hot potato. 🙂
Christian Parker2 said:Hey everyone,😎 this is my first time posting here. I figured I'd start things off by throwing a question out there that I can't seem to wrap my head around. I've been stuck on this for a few hours now and I'm still coming up empty. The question is... How would you explain the concept of color to someone who is blind?
Druid;9338525 said:The second I laid eyes on your post... 🤣
But fine—maybe you were sitting there hoping some brother or sister, or perhaps a spouse, would stumble upon this thread and chime in with, "Hey, if you don't have anything better to do with your life, why don't you go explain things to people here instead?"
And besides, why on earth would you assume a blind person couldn't navigate their way onto this forum and read this entire discussion on their own?
I’m right here, and while I won't be solving all your little mysteries, I might just scratch the surface of them a bit...
By the way, using terms like "blind person" can carry a pretty negative connotation quite often. It would be a nice gesture if you all kept that in mind...
mistyfox812 said:Man, that is such a fascinating question.
So, there's this thing called synesthesia, where people actually experience a literal blending of senses. Like, some folks don't just think a sound "feels" rough or white—they literally perceive it that way. And get this: it’s not totally random. Usually, one synesthete describes their experience almost exactly like another one does. Like, two different people might hear the same sound and both see red or blue. It's wild. This whole area of study is relatively new*, so I'm not sure if there are differences in how various ethnic groups describe these things.
Here's what Wikipedia says:
It was once assumed that synaesthetic experiences were entirely different from synaesthete to synaesthete, but recent research has shown that there are underlying similarities that can be observed when large numbers of synaesthetes are examined together. For example, sound-colour synaesthetes, as a group, tend to see lighter colours for higher sounds (Ward et al, 2006) and grapheme-colour synaesthetes, as a group, share significant preferences for the colour of each letter (e.g., A tends to be red; O tends to be white or black; S tends to be yellow etc., Simner et al., 2005; Rich et al., 2005; Day, 2005).
* obviously, it's been known for ages, but for traditional Western science, the whole concept probably sounded way too metaphysical, so they didn't really dive into researching it until recently.
ironmarlin1 said:I'm not quite following—what part of that strikes you as metaphysical? And why use the term "positivism" in such a derogatory way?
ironmarlin1 said:I'm not quite following—what part of that strikes you as metaphysical? And why use the term "positivism" in such a derogatory way?
| The notion that a specific letter possesses some sort of inherent color strikes me as deeply essentialist—which is really just a fancy way of saying it’s metaphysical. It implies there’s this immutable "essence" to the letter A that somehow differs from the essence of B, and that this essence manifests itself through these various, involuntary colors. |
| Simply because I find it foolish. |
ironmarlin1 said:Quincy:But honestly, there isn't any rigorous argument to support the idea that letters A and B have an underlying "being." It all boils down to nothing more than following established rules for how we use them.
The notion that a specific letter possesses some sort of inherent color strikes me as deeply essentialist—which is really just a fancy way of saying it’s metaphysical. It implies there’s this immutable "essence" to the letter A that somehow differs from the essence of B, and that this essence manifests itself through these various, involuntary colors.
Quincy:And why should that be the case? Personally, I believe positivism played a massive role in shaping the trajectory of analytic philosophy. Take Carnap, for instance; his work on the verifiability principle actually pushed scientific inquiry forward quite a bit. Even if I don't personally think the verifiability principle is correct, it acted as the necessary catalyst for Popper's principle of falsifiability to emerge. It holds historical weight, much like how nobody today fully adheres to Hegel's philosophy. Positivism is in the same boat. Should I claim Hegel's philosophy is foolish just because I don't find it particularly brilliant, if anything?
Simply because I find it foolish.
ironmarlin1 said:Quincy:But honestly, there isn't any rigorous argument to support the idea that letters A and B have an underlying "being." It all boils down to nothing more than following established rules for how we use them.
The notion that a specific letter possesses some sort of inherent color strikes me as deeply essentialist—which is really just a fancy way of saying it’s metaphysical. It implies there’s this immutable "essence" to the letter A that somehow differs from the essence of B, and that this essence manifests itself through these various, involuntary colors.
Quincy:And why should that be the case? Personally, I believe positivism played a massive role in shaping the trajectory of analytic philosophy. Take Carnap, for instance; his work on the verifiability principle actually pushed scientific inquiry forward quite a bit. Even if I don't personally think the verifiability principle is correct, it acted as the necessary catalyst for Popper's principle of falsifiability to emerge. It holds historical weight, much like how nobody today fully adheres to Hegel's philosophy. Positivism is in the same boat. Should I claim Hegel's philosophy is foolish just because I don't find it particularly brilliant, if anything?
Simply because I find it foolish.
| Well, it’s right there in the very passage you just pulled, which is precisely what caught my eye and prompted me to bring up that specific point in the first place. 😉 To put it plainly: ...e.g., A tends to be red; O tends to be white or black; S tends to be yellow etc., Simner et al., 2005; Rich et al., 2005; Day, 2005... |
| Look, if you don't consider something intelligent, then by definition, you're calling it foolish. It's much like how I view positivism—as I mentioned before, I find it quite absurd. And if you're wondering why, I'll dive into that over in another thread. I never suggested that *you* personally had to view it that way. |