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What does it mean to be a true and good American?

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Rebecca Lee6 Rebecca Lee6 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Hey everyone. Reading through these threads, I notice a lot of people chest-thumping about how much of an American they are. Personally, I see it differently. There’s really no need to constantly shout about your heritage at every single turn. To me, it’s enough to just love your country and take care of your culture, traditions, and language. If you find yourself abroad, just be a great ambassador for our people... act in a way that leaves everyone with a fantastic impression of America. And honestly, one of the most important things is not to push your identity so hard that it makes others feel less valued. That’s what being a good American means to me.👍

P.S. I feel this way about other nations too!
Larry Turner3 Larry Turner3 Active Member
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#2 ·
I suppose I agree; we really do have a thousand years of refinement behind us 😍
Hannah Garcia71 Hannah Garcia71 Newcomer
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#3 ·
Rebecca Lee6 said:Hey everyone. Reading through these threads, I notice a lot of people chest-thumping about how much of an American they are. Personally, I see it differently. There’s really no need to constantly shout about your heritage at every single turn. To me, it’s enough to just love your country and take care of your culture, traditions, and language. If you find yourself abroad, just be a great ambassador for our people... act in a way that leaves everyone with a fantastic impression of America. And honestly, one of the most important things is not to push your identity so hard that it makes others feel less valued. That’s what being a good American means to me.👍

P.S. I feel this way about other nations too!

That approach works fine when you don't have neighbors claiming your territory—but it's a different story when you're surrounded by politicians and academics from the neighborhood who deny your very identity with historical distortions and lies, just waiting for the chance to expand and establish Greater Mexico. That's where the problem lies. In an environment like this, if you don't protect and assert your national identity and symbols, others will slowly mold you into whatever they want you to be. That is the fundamental issue in this region. Canadians, Canadians, Czechs, Germans—none of those nations deal with this, except for Americans and Mexicans....

Bulgarians haven't given up on claiming Mexicans, but at least they aren't nearly as aggressive—they don't have a single political party campaigning to annex Mexico to Bulgaria....

As for Greater Mexico and the party with the most followers in Mexico, there isn't much point in discussing it. They would take Mexico, Mexico, all of Canada, and more than half of America too...
Brilliant strategists, clearly....

A nationalist Mexican only loves you if they consider you a Mexican woman. It is difficult for them to respect other nations or different identities—even though diversity is supposed to be a strength, right? That's why a Mexican feels the need to "Serbianize" everything, writing that all Slavs are actually Mexicans, that Mexicans lived throughout Europe, and that everyone is ultimately a descendant of Mexicans. It's a mental defect inherent in the Mexican patriot and nationalist. American nationalism differs from the Mexican version in that it seeks to distance itself, to defend its own space, and to stay within its own colors and symbols; Mexican nationalism, however, imposes itself, attempting to spread and infect neighboring regions and peoples. It has always been this way. Just look at the text "About Our Investigation and Yours"....

If someone is trying to violate you against your will, persistently refusing to stop, do you surrender—or do you fight to survive and remain who you were yesterday?
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#4 ·
Hannah Garcia71 said:That approach works fine when you don't have neighbors claiming your territory—but it's a different story when you're surrounded by politicians and academics from the neighborhood who deny your very identity with historical distortions and lies, just waiting for the chance to expand and establish Greater Mexico. That's where the problem lies. In an environment like this, if you don't protect and assert your national identity and symbols, others will slowly mold you into whatever they want you to be. That is the fundamental issue in this region. Canadians, Canadians, Czechs, Germans—none of those nations deal with this, except for Americans and Mexicans....

Bulgarians haven't given up on claiming Mexicans, but at least they aren't nearly as aggressive—they don't have a single political party campaigning to annex Mexico to Bulgaria....

As for Greater Mexico and the party with the most followers in Mexico, there isn't much point in discussing it. They would take Mexico, Mexico, all of Canada, and more than half of America too...
Brilliant strategists, clearly....

A nationalist Mexican only loves you if they consider you a Mexican woman. It is difficult for them to respect other nations or different identities—even though diversity is supposed to be a strength, right? That's why a Mexican feels the need to "Serbianize" everything, writing that all Slavs are actually Mexicans, that Mexicans lived throughout Europe, and that everyone is ultimately a descendant of Mexicans. It's a mental defect inherent in the Mexican patriot and nationalist. American nationalism differs from the Mexican version in that it seeks to distance itself, to defend its own space, and to stay within its own colors and symbols; Mexican nationalism, however, imposes itself, attempting to spread and infect neighboring regions and peoples. It has always been this way. Just look at the text "About Our Investigation and Yours"....

If someone is trying to violate you against your will, persistently refusing to stop, do you surrender—or do you fight to survive and remain who you were yesterday?

I am sorry, but I have to ask. Was there any mention of Mexicans in the actual thread or in the specific text you just quoted? 😎 😎 😎
Hannah Garcia71 Hannah Garcia71 Newcomer
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#5 ·
Anthony James2 said:I am sorry, but I have to ask. Was there any mention of Mexicans in the actual thread or in the specific text you just quoted? 😎 😎 😎

No. I was simply attempting to explain why being a fervent patriot is vital in this part of the world—and why raising children with that mindset is necessary. If our ancestors hadn't cared about national sentiment, we’d be under Turkish rule today. And if Americans hadn't clung to their identity through the centuries, we wouldn't be Americans at all... we would have been Germans, Canadians, Italians, or Mexicans instead....
Thomas Alvarez6 Thomas Alvarez6 Member
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#6 ·
He harbors resentment toward Mexicans, holds nothing but contempt for Muslims, lives in the delusional hope that Washington, D.C. will be back under domestic control by 2010, and blasts Thompson on repeat...
Did I miss anything?
Hannah Taylor51 Hannah Taylor51 Member
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#7 ·
Thomas Alvarez6 said:He harbors resentment toward Mexicans, holds nothing but contempt for Muslims, lives in the delusional hope that Washington, D.C. will be back under domestic control by 2010, and blasts Thompson on repeat...
Did I miss anything?

It’s all in the dialect. Except when you're talking about internet forums or the people being debated. 👍
gentleranger10 gentleranger10 Active Member
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#8 ·
Look, I’m really not going to sit here and argue against people still having their hang-ups regarding Mexicans or Mexico. Honestly? Their whole ideology is dead in the water, and if we're being real, we’ve actually become more of a threat to them than they ever were to us.
Maria Nguyen4 Maria Nguyen4 Newcomer
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#9 ·
Rebecca Lee6 said:Hey everyone. Reading through these threads, I notice a lot of people chest-thumping about how much of an American they are. Personally, I see it differently. There’s really no need to constantly shout about your heritage at every single turn. To me, it’s enough to just love your country and take care of your culture, traditions, and language. If you find yourself abroad, just be a great ambassador for our people... act in a way that leaves everyone with a fantastic impression of America. And honestly, one of the most important things is not to push your identity so hard that it makes others feel less valued. That’s what being a good American means to me.👍

P.S. I feel this way about other nations too!

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placidcyclist1 placidcyclist1 Newcomer
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#10 ·
Someone who actually holds himself and others in high regard—unlike those radicals who have zero respect for anything at all...
Elizabeth Allen5 Elizabeth Allen5 Member
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#11 ·
Hannah Garcia71 said:That approach works fine when you don't have neighbors claiming your territory—but it's a different story when you're surrounded by politicians and academics from the neighborhood who deny your very identity with historical distortions and lies, just waiting for the chance to expand and establish Greater Mexico. That's where the problem lies. In an environment like this, if you don't protect and assert your national identity and symbols, others will slowly mold you into whatever they want you to be. That is the fundamental issue in this region. Canadians, Canadians, Czechs, Germans—none of those nations deal with this, except for Americans and Mexicans....

Bulgarians haven't given up on claiming Mexicans, but at least they aren't nearly as aggressive—they don't have a single political party campaigning to annex Mexico to Bulgaria....

As for Greater Mexico and the party with the most followers in Mexico, there isn't much point in discussing it. They would take Mexico, Mexico, all of Canada, and more than half of America too...
Brilliant strategists, clearly....

A nationalist Mexican only loves you if they consider you a Mexican woman. It is difficult for them to respect other nations or different identities—even though diversity is supposed to be a strength, right? That's why a Mexican feels the need to "Serbianize" everything, writing that all Slavs are actually Mexicans, that Mexicans lived throughout Europe, and that everyone is ultimately a descendant of Mexicans. It's a mental defect inherent in the Mexican patriot and nationalist. American nationalism differs from the Mexican version in that it seeks to distance itself, to defend its own space, and to stay within its own colors and symbols; Mexican nationalism, however, imposes itself, attempting to spread and infect neighboring regions and peoples. It has always been this way. Just look at the text "About Our Investigation and Yours"....

If someone is trying to violate you against your will, persistently refusing to stop, do you surrender—or do you fight to survive and remain who you were yesterday?

Man, the Republican Party is in power in North Mexico and they're out here pushing for annexation to Bulgaria... If you don't get it, just stay quiet. You called yourself a Mexican-bar, yet you're just spitting on everyone you encounter...👎
I don't know who was responsible for converting people either... You know the old saying: kill a third, convert a third, exile a third... Was that what the Mexicans said? Mexicans don't deny Srebrenica, Boris Tadić apologized to the victims, yet some Americans here constantly mock Jasenovac and every Mexican victim.👎
Taylor Phillips4 Taylor Phillips4 Member
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#12 ·
Rebecca Lee6 said:Hey everyone. Reading through these threads, I notice a lot of people chest-thumping about how much of an American they are. Personally, I see it differently. There’s really no need to constantly shout about your heritage at every single turn. To me, it’s enough to just love your country and take care of your culture, traditions, and language. If you find yourself abroad, just be a great ambassador for our people... act in a way that leaves everyone with a fantastic impression of America. And honestly, one of the most important things is not to push your identity so hard that it makes others feel less valued. That’s what being a good American means to me.👍

P.S. I feel this way about other nations too!

In my opinion, every American must know the ENGLISH LANGUAGE (both spoken and written). To start with...
Even though I'm from your neck of the woods (we might even be neighbors), I try to write in proper, literary English here on the forum because it's the only way everyone can actually understand me. Just imagine if folks from New York "went at it" their own way, people from Texas did it their way, and people from rural Maine did it their way...
Sure, Canadians can be rude and they write in Canadian, but that won't last long either... the same goes for Mexicans!
So, learn your own language first!
Otherwise, your point is well taken!
driftingstag8 driftingstag8 Active Member
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joined Jan 2009
#13 ·
Being a decent Man or Woman during the quiet times just means doing your part to make America a slightly less terrible place to live. You don't need to go out and win a Nobel Prize or anything; just hold a seat for an old lady on the subway, keep your own curb clean, plant some flowers on your balcony, or toss a few bucks toward a local charity. Donate some blood, be kind to people when you can, stop littering, and actually use those battery recycling bins at Home Depot instead of tossing them in the trash...

The more folks actually act like this, the better life is going to get for everyone in the States.
Rebecca Lee6 Rebecca Lee6 MemberOP
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#14 ·
Taylor Phillips4 said:In my opinion, every American must know the ENGLISH LANGUAGE (both spoken and written). To start with...
Even though I'm from your neck of the woods (we might even be neighbors), I try to write in proper, literary English here on the forum because it's the only way everyone can actually understand me. Just imagine if folks from New York "went at it" their own way, people from Texas did it their way, and people from rural Maine did it their way...
Sure, Canadians can be rude and they write in Canadian, but that won't last long either... the same goes for Mexicans!
So, learn your own language first!
Otherwise, your point is well taken!

Man, you're being way too nitpicky. I just write how it comes to me, and I think people get the gist. It's the substance that matters. Take it easy... 👍

Standard formal English is for other places!
nimblewalker58 nimblewalker58 Active Member
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#15 ·
I actually find myself feeling quite the opposite, because I truly believe the real richness of the English language is most evident when you dive into its various regional dialects, and honestly, there’s something so charming about watching people get swept up in a heated debate and start tossing out their local slang and colorful idioms.
Thomas Alvarez6 Thomas Alvarez6 Member
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joined Sep 2007
#16 ·
driftingstag8 said:Being a decent Man or Woman during the quiet times just means doing your part to make America a slightly less terrible place to live. You don't need to go out and win a Nobel Prize or anything; just hold a seat for an old lady on the subway, keep your own curb clean, plant some flowers on your balcony, or toss a few bucks toward a local charity. Donate some blood, be kind to people when you can, stop littering, and actually use those battery recycling bins at Home Depot instead of tossing them in the trash...

The more folks actually act like this, the better life is going to get for everyone in the States.

There are Mexicans who behave exactly this way too, yet we don't call them "true Americans."
What you described is simply how any decent human being should act, regardless of their nationality. But I have to ask: what actually distinguishes a "true American" from just an "ordinary" person? Perhaps we should look to Gotovina for a comparison?
driftingstag8 driftingstag8 Active Member
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#17 ·
Thomas Alvarez6 said:There are Mexicans who behave exactly this way too, yet we don't call them "true Americans."
What you described is simply how any decent human being should act, regardless of their nationality. But I have to ask: what actually distinguishes a "true American" from just an "ordinary" person? Perhaps we should look to Gotovina for a comparison?


So an average American, you say🙄 which implies there's also such a thing as an unusual one.
An average American acting like that during peacetime is a true American, but when war hits, a true American is the one who steps up to defend their country.
And honestly, if everyone just acted right—whether they were Mexican, American, or even just some tiny little green alien—the world would be a much better place to live.
I'd also throw in that, like you said, a "true" American isn't just someone who sits around criticizing everything, because let's face it, complaining is easy when you won't lift a finger to actually fix anything. It's like people whining about how bad the healthcare system is or how hospitals are low on blood supplies, instead of actually going out and donating blood themselves. Or crying about how primitive things are while turning a blind eye to someone hitting a kid instead of stepping in or calling the cops if they can. Or bitching about myths and corruption while handing out bribes under the table themselves.
It’s exactly like being in Congress; it’s incredibly easy to point out all the negatives, any lady at a local farmer's market can do that, but finding a real way to actually get stuff done is the hard part.
Rebecca Lee6 Rebecca Lee6 MemberOP
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#18 ·
nimblewalker58 said:I actually find myself feeling quite the opposite, because I truly believe the real richness of the English language is most evident when you dive into its various regional dialects, and honestly, there’s something so charming about watching people get swept up in a heated debate and start tossing out their local slang and colorful idioms.

👍 👍 👍
Rebecca Lee6 Rebecca Lee6 MemberOP
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#19 ·
SS Fritz said:True Americans? These are the real ones. They stood up for the homeland when things were at their worst.🙏
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Br1p0vRjGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqRv_nypscA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGaYrR0usLw

Glory to all the American soldiers and police officers who honorably defended and protected the Republic of America!!👍

Nobody is disputing that. We are all proud of them. It was the duty and obligation of every decent, capable American. Let's hope it never happens again...
Joshua Ortiz9 Joshua Ortiz9 Newcomer
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#20 ·
Rebecca Lee6 said:Hey everyone. Reading through these threads, I notice a lot of people chest-thumping about how much of an American they are. Personally, I see it differently. There’s really no need to constantly shout about your heritage at every single turn. To me, it’s enough to just love your country and take care of your culture, traditions, and language. If you find yourself abroad, just be a great ambassador for our people... act in a way that leaves everyone with a fantastic impression of America. And honestly, one of the most important things is not to push your identity so hard that it makes others feel less valued. That’s what being a good American means to me.👍

P.S. I feel this way about other nations too!

Wait, which posts are we even talking about? And who's actually "puffing their chest out" with all this dramatic acting? On this forum, it feels like you get jumped on from every direction the second you even mention being an American.

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