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Can someone break down exactly how the FBI is actually helping overworked Americans?😕

From what I gather,
for instance—if you’ve managed to take out, say, 12 loans and paid them all back on schedule—you’d likely secure a 13th without much trouble, and presumably with far less red tape involved

Terry Torres6 said:From what I gather,
for instance—if you’ve managed to take out, say, 12 loans and paid them all back on schedule—you’d likely secure a 13th without much trouble, and presumably with far less red tape involved

Exactly...you basically become a preferred client who can score better interest rates or different terms...I mean, for a bank like Chase, the cost of lending isn't the same for a risky borrower versus a solid one (by which I mean someone who actually pays their bills vs. someone who doesn't)...of course, this is all pretty new, so things could definitely shift down the road...

So, I was just wondering what HROK actually means for those of us who are already heavily leveraged... When it comes to loans, it seems like now, regardless of whether you have a spotless credit history or a messy one, if a third of your paycheck is already tied up in debt, you simply CANNOT get a loan.... and even if you somehow can, they demand an absolutely ridiculous amount of insurance coverage....
In my own situation, my monthly debt payments are roughly equal to my entire salary, which is about $4,500, and I’ve always been perfectly responsible—never missed a single payment or received a warning—plus we run our own small business, but when I finally went to buy a condo.... they just told me I was overextended and left it at that....
Of course, I fully understand all the debt I've taken on because every cent is backed by something; it was either a mortgage on the house, two co-signers, or life insurance. Every single loan I ever took out was specifically for renovations or purchasing a home, a condo, some land, or other similar investments....
I had really hoped that HROK might help distinguish the reliable borrowers from the risky ones, but believe me, they are looking strictly at your total debt-to-income ratio.....
It makes me think about a parent who wanted to buy a condo in Chicago Union Station to rent out, hoping the tenants would essentially cover the mortgage, and I honestly don't know how they're supposed to pull that off now... it seems like the banks only care about how much you owe, rather than where the money is actually coming from.
In my case, my tenants are the ones helping me pay down the loan and so on... If anyone else has had different experiences... please let me know... and which bank you used....
Because it feels to me like the days are gone when you could just pick up three condos for $50,000 each and rent them out,,,,,, since everything is so transparently tracked nowadays.....👎

silentpuma16 said:So, I was just wondering what HROK actually means for those of us who are already heavily leveraged... When it comes to loans, it seems like now, regardless of whether you have a spotless credit history or a messy one, if a third of your paycheck is already tied up in debt, you simply CANNOT get a loan.... and even if you somehow can, they demand an absolutely ridiculous amount of insurance coverage....
In my own situation, my monthly debt payments are roughly equal to my entire salary, which is about $4,500, and I’ve always been perfectly responsible—never missed a single payment or received a warning—plus we run our own small business, but when I finally went to buy a condo.... they just told me I was overextended and left it at that....
Of course, I fully understand all the debt I've taken on because every cent is backed by something; it was either a mortgage on the house, two co-signers, or life insurance. Every single loan I ever took out was specifically for renovations or purchasing a home, a condo, some land, or other similar investments....
I had really hoped that HROK might help distinguish the reliable borrowers from the risky ones, but believe me, they are looking strictly at your total debt-to-income ratio.....
It makes me think about a parent who wanted to buy a condo in Chicago Union Station to rent out, hoping the tenants would essentially cover the mortgage, and I honestly don't know how they're supposed to pull that off now... it seems like the banks only care about how much you owe, rather than where the money is actually coming from.
In my case, my tenants are the ones helping me pay down the loan and so on... If anyone else has had different experiences... please let me know... and which bank you used....
Because it feels to me like the days are gone when you could just pick up three condos for $50,000 each and rent them out,,,,,, since everything is so transparently tracked nowadays.....👎

The only thing is, there's no way to hide the fact that you've rented those units out somewhere.😉

HROK => Equifax obveza po kreditima d.o.o.

silentpuma16 said:So, I was just wondering what HROK actually means for those of us who are already heavily leveraged... When it comes to loans, it seems like now, regardless of whether you have a spotless credit history or a messy one, if a third of your paycheck is already tied up in debt, you simply CANNOT get a loan.... and even if you somehow can, they demand an absolutely ridiculous amount of insurance coverage....
In my own situation, my monthly debt payments are roughly equal to my entire salary, which is about $4,500, and I’ve always been perfectly responsible—never missed a single payment or received a warning—plus we run our own small business, but when I finally went to buy a condo.... they just told me I was overextended and left it at that....
Of course, I fully understand all the debt I've taken on because every cent is backed by something; it was either a mortgage on the house, two co-signers, or life insurance. Every single loan I ever took out was specifically for renovations or purchasing a home, a condo, some land, or other similar investments....
I had really hoped that HROK might help distinguish the reliable borrowers from the risky ones, but believe me, they are looking strictly at your total debt-to-income ratio.....
It makes me think about a parent who wanted to buy a condo in Chicago Union Station to rent out, hoping the tenants would essentially cover the mortgage, and I honestly don't know how they're supposed to pull that off now... it seems like the banks only care about how much you owe, rather than where the money is actually coming from.
In my case, my tenants are the ones helping me pay down the loan and so on... If anyone else has had different experiences... please let me know... and which bank you used....
Because it feels to me like the days are gone when you could just pick up three condos for $50,000 each and rent them out,,,,,, since everything is so transparently tracked nowadays.....👎

If you're talking about that news from a month or two ago saying the government would cap borrowing at a maximum of 1/3 of your salary... that hasn't even been passed into law yet. And honestly, if some bank refuses to give you a loan, that's just their own internal policy for calculating creditworthiness. Some banks still use completely different methods than others...

silentpuma16 said:So, I was just wondering what HROK actually means for those of us who are already heavily leveraged... When it comes to loans, it seems like now, regardless of whether you have a spotless credit history or a messy one, if a third of your paycheck is already tied up in debt, you simply CANNOT get a loan.... and even if you somehow can, they demand an absolutely ridiculous amount of insurance coverage....
In my own situation, my monthly debt payments are roughly equal to my entire salary, which is about $4,500, and I’ve always been perfectly responsible—never missed a single payment or received a warning—plus we run our own small business, but when I finally went to buy a condo.... they just told me I was overextended and left it at that....
Of course, I fully understand all the debt I've taken on because every cent is backed by something; it was either a mortgage on the house, two co-signers, or life insurance. Every single loan I ever took out was specifically for renovations or purchasing a home, a condo, some land, or other similar investments....
I had really hoped that HROK might help distinguish the reliable borrowers from the risky ones, but believe me, they are looking strictly at your total debt-to-income ratio.....
It makes me think about a parent who wanted to buy a condo in Chicago Union Station to rent out, hoping the tenants would essentially cover the mortgage, and I honestly don't know how they're supposed to pull that off now... it seems like the banks only care about how much you owe, rather than where the money is actually coming from.
In my case, my tenants are the ones helping me pay down the loan and so on... If anyone else has had different experiences... please let me know... and which bank you used....
Because it feels to me like the days are gone when you could just pick up three condos for $50,000 each and rent them out,,,,,, since everything is so transparently tracked nowadays.....👎

Nothing has actually changed drastically compared to the period before May 1st when HROK went live.

silentpuma16 said:So, I was just wondering what HROK actually means for those of us who are already heavily leveraged... When it comes to loans, it seems like now, regardless of whether you have a spotless credit history or a messy one, if a third of your paycheck is already tied up in debt, you simply CANNOT get a loan.... and even if you somehow can, they demand an absolutely ridiculous amount of insurance coverage....
In my own situation, my monthly debt payments are roughly equal to my entire salary, which is about $4,500, and I’ve always been perfectly responsible—never missed a single payment or received a warning—plus we run our own small business, but when I finally went to buy a condo.... they just told me I was overextended and left it at that....
Of course, I fully understand all the debt I've taken on because every cent is backed by something; it was either a mortgage on the house, two co-signers, or life insurance. Every single loan I ever took out was specifically for renovations or purchasing a home, a condo, some land, or other similar investments....
I had really hoped that HROK might help distinguish the reliable borrowers from the risky ones, but believe me, they are looking strictly at your total debt-to-income ratio.....
It makes me think about a parent who wanted to buy a condo in Chicago Union Station to rent out, hoping the tenants would essentially cover the mortgage, and I honestly don't know how they're supposed to pull that off now... it seems like the banks only care about how much you owe, rather than where the money is actually coming from.
In my case, my tenants are the ones helping me pay down the loan and so on... If anyone else has had different experiences... please let me know... and which bank you used....
Because it feels to me like the days are gone when you could just pick up three condos for $50,000 each and rent them out,,,,,, since everything is so transparently tracked nowadays.....👎

Loans are still granted based on credit capacity (your income), not based on how reliable your repayment history is... If your debt equals your salary, the banks assume you have unreported income streams, and they don't take those into account at all.

silentpuma16 said:So, I was just wondering what HROK actually means for those of us who are already heavily leveraged... When it comes to loans, it seems like now, regardless of whether you have a spotless credit history or a messy one, if a third of your paycheck is already tied up in debt, you simply CANNOT get a loan.... and even if you somehow can, they demand an absolutely ridiculous amount of insurance coverage....
In my own situation, my monthly debt payments are roughly equal to my entire salary, which is about $4,500, and I’ve always been perfectly responsible—never missed a single payment or received a warning—plus we run our own small business, but when I finally went to buy a condo.... they just told me I was overextended and left it at that....
Of course, I fully understand all the debt I've taken on because every cent is backed by something; it was either a mortgage on the house, two co-signers, or life insurance. Every single loan I ever took out was specifically for renovations or purchasing a home, a condo, some land, or other similar investments....
I had really hoped that HROK might help distinguish the reliable borrowers from the risky ones, but believe me, they are looking strictly at your total debt-to-income ratio.....
It makes me think about a parent who wanted to buy a condo in Chicago Union Station to rent out, hoping the tenants would essentially cover the mortgage, and I honestly don't know how they're supposed to pull that off now... it seems like the banks only care about how much you owe, rather than where the money is actually coming from.
In my case, my tenants are the ones helping me pay down the loan and so on... If anyone else has had different experiences... please let me know... and which bank you used....
Because it feels to me like the days are gone when you could just pick up three condos for $50,000 each and rent them out,,,,,, since everything is so transparently tracked nowadays.....👎

What does it even mean to have "collateral"?
The bank calculates your collateral based on your actual income, and you are completely tapped out on loans...
What you're describing are just security instruments that every bank requires (some more than others), but primarily, they look at creditworthiness... You only really need those for pawn-style or secured loans.

I can't believe I'm even sitting here typing this out, but honestly? Someone needs to say it. I am absolutely livid. It feels like every time you turn around, some massive bureaucratic machine or a shady entity is trying to pull the rug out from under you. It’s exhausting. You try to play by the rules, you do everything "right," and yet you still feel like you're walking through a minefield of fine print and hidden agendas. I was looking into my own records recently—just trying to stay on top of things, mind you—and dealing with Equifax is enough to give anyone a migraine. It shouldn't be this hard! Why is there always a catch? Why does it feel like we're constantly fighting an uphill battle just to maintain some semblance of stability? It’s infuriating. And don't even get me started on the way certain people handle these situations. They act like they're doing you a favor when, in reality, they're just protecting their own interests. It’s the same old story, over and over again. I’ve seen it happen to friends, I’ve seen it happen to colleagues, and frankly, I'm sick of seeing it. We deserve better than this constant state of uncertainty and red tape. It's enough to make your blood boil. kaže:
I really had high hopes that HROK would finally help us separate the reliable borrowers from the deadbeats, but let me tell you—don't hold your breath. It’s incredibly frustrating because, from what I'm seeing, they aren't even looking at the full picture. They're just obsessing over total debt levels like it's the only metric that matters. It’s such a narrow-minded way to judge someone's financial health!

Of course they’re looking... that is quite literally HROK's entire reason for existing.

I honestly don't even know where to start with this mess. It’s just one thing after another lately, isn't it? I was sitting there yesterday, just trying to have a quiet coffee, thinking maybe things might actually settle down for once, and then—boom—another ridiculous situation hits the fan. It’s exhausting. Truly. You try to follow the rules, you try to do everything by the book, and yet you still feel like you're being pushed into a corner by sheer incompetence. It reminds me of that time back when I was dealing with my old bank in Chicago; I spent three hours on hold just to be told that none of their records matched what I was looking at. Absolute madness! And it feels like we're seeing that same level of disorganized chaos everywhere now. You can't trust the systems, you can't trust the bureaucracy, and frankly, it makes me want to scream. I'm not even joking. I am genuinely fuming just thinking about how much energy people have to waste just navigating these basic hurdles. We deserve better than this constant uphill battle.

I can't even begin to describe the absolute disaster I’m dealing with right now. It's one thing when things go sideways, but this? This is a complete and utter meltdown. I was sitting there, just minding my own business, thinking everything was finally under control, and then—bam! Everything hits the fan. It’s like nobody understands how much work goes into keeping things running smoothly. You try to follow the rules, you play by the book, and what do you get? A giant, steaming pile of chaos. Honestly, I am beyond frustrated. My blood is practically boiling just typing this out. It feels like every time I turn around, there's some new obstacle designed specifically to make my life miserable. Is that too much to ask? Just a little bit of stability? Apparently so. I swear, if I have to deal with one more bureaucratic headache or one more person who clearly hasn't done their homework, I might actually lose it. It’s exhausting. Truly, deeply exhausting. kaže: So, I just heard about this parent who had this grand, half-baked scheme to buy an apartment in Chicago, rent it out, and somehow expect the tenants to basically pay off their mortgage for them. Honestly, I have no idea how they think they’re going to pull that off in practice. It’s one of those "get rich quick" delusions that ignores all the actual logistics. What really gets me, though—and this is what makes my blood boil—is that people like this only care about looking at someone's debt load on paper. They obsess over credit scores and liability, but they couldn't care less about where the actual cash is coming from or if the math even adds up. It's all smoke and mirrors. It’s a bit of a unique setup on my end—I actually have my tenants paying off my loan installments directly. It keeps things moving, but it's definitely not the standard way most people handle their finances. I’m curious, though... does anyone else here run a similar operation? If you’ve got a different way of managing your debt or some interesting experiences with tenant-assisted payments, please, let me know. And for heaven's sake, tell me which bank you're using. I need to know if there are better options out there that won't give me a headache. It honestly feels like we’re living in a completely different era. I swear, there was a time when you could take $50,000, roll up your sleeves, and build three decent little rental properties from the ground up. You could actually make a move, get them on the market, and start seeing some real cash flow. But now? Everything is out in the open. There’s zero privacy, total transparency everywhere you look, and it feels like every single move you make is being tracked or scrutinized by someone. The game has changed, and frankly, it's frustrating as hell.👎

I’m just going to quote this. I honestly can’t even begin to wrap my head around how some people operate. It’s like we’re living in a completely different reality where logic just goes to die. I was sitting there, just trying to make sense of the latest mess, and I found myself staring at the wall for ten minutes straight because nothing added up. It's infuriating! You try to follow the rules, you try to do things by the book, and then someone comes along and flips the table just because they feel like it. It’s exhausting. Seriously, does anyone actually care about consistency anymore? Or is it all just one big, chaotic circus? I’m tellin' ya, I'm reaching my limit with this nonsense.
I don't even know where to start with this. Honestly, I’m just sitting here fuming. You see these things happen, and you think, "Surely, there's some level of oversight," but no. It's just total chaos. It reminds me of that time I was dealing with my own credit issues—you know, back when I was trying to sort things out with Equifax? A complete nightmare. Just endless loops of bureaucracy and zero accountability. And now we're seeing this same kind of systemic mess again. It's infuriating! People are being treated like numbers on a spreadsheet instead of actual human beings with lives and responsibilities. And don't even get me started on how the institutions handle these discrepancies. There’s no logic to it. It’s all just broken pieces of a system that should have been fixed decades ago. I’m tired of the excuses. I am genuinely exhausted by the lack of transparency. We deserve better than this constant cycle of incompetence. It’s absolutely maddening.

I honestly don't even know where to start with this one. It’s just... it’s exhausting. You see these things happening, you read the news, and you realize how much of a mess everything is. I was sitting there, nursing my coffee, thinking about how we're supposed to trust the system when the foundation is this shaky? It makes me want to scream. It's all just noise at this point, isn't it? Just endless, frustrating noise. Kimberly Nguyen says: It’s just funny how you can talk all about everything else, but there isn't a single shred of evidence to show you actually rented out any apartments. 😉

🙂

So, my girlfriend went to Chase to apply for a loan. The monthly payment would be about a quarter of her paycheck. She’s been at her job for 7 months now—it’s a small private company—and she has a co-signer working for a government agency making about 9 times the monthly installment amount.

The loan is for $5,000 over 5 years, so the monthly payment is roughly $250
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All good so far. They told us at Chase that if the co-signer works for the government, you're basically cleared immediately.

Then, out of nowhere, they hit us with a massive headache.

My girl has power of attorney on a family member's account. They live at the same address, but that person's account is currently frozen by the court. 🙂

Now the bank is insisting that this person clears their debt first—it's just a standard checking account—before they'll even look at the loan application again. 😁

I can't believe this. She isn't the co-signer, and she hasn't touched a cent from that account, but because they share an address and she has POA, the bank is claiming it's technically her debt too, according to unknown rules...

Any advice?

Paying off that debt is absolutely not happening.

P. S. I forgot to mention
They won't let her remove the power of attorney because the account is under a court order. 🙂
Basically, there's zero way to intervene here.

Douglas Harris84 said:So, my girlfriend went to Chase to apply for a loan. The monthly payment would be about a quarter of her paycheck. She’s been at her job for 7 months now—it’s a small private company—and she has a co-signer working for a government agency making about 9 times the monthly installment amount.

The loan is for $5,000 over 5 years, so the monthly payment is roughly $250
.
All good so far. They told us at Chase that if the co-signer works for the government, you're basically cleared immediately.

Then, out of nowhere, they hit us with a massive headache.

My girl has power of attorney on a family member's account. They live at the same address, but that person's account is currently frozen by the court. 🙂

Now the bank is insisting that this person clears their debt first—it's just a standard checking account—before they'll even look at the loan application again. 😁

I can't believe this. She isn't the co-signer, and she hasn't touched a cent from that account, but because they share an address and she has POA, the bank is claiming it's technically her debt too, according to unknown rules...

Any advice?

Paying off that debt is absolutely not happening.

P. S. I forgot to mention
They won't let her remove the power of attorney because the account is under a court order. 🙂
Basically, there's zero way to intervene here.

That's easy for you to say, but she could have... since there’s a court freeze on it, I don't think you can really blame the bank here.

Charles Ramos7 said:That's easy for you to say, but she could have... since there’s a court freeze on it, I don't think you can really blame the bank here.

Look, even if she did, having Power of Attorney doesn't make her a co-defendant in this mess. So what if she used those connections? It's not her account. She isn't being sued, she isn't even mentioned in the filings, and she's basically out of the picture entirely.

Holding a Power of Attorney doesn't make you a co-conspirator or a guarantor for someone else's debts. It’s honestly baffling; that woman has absolutely nothing to do with that specific debt, regardless of whether she was the one physically withdrawing the funds or not.
But at the end of the day, it all boils down to the discretionary policies of these banks. During these economic downturns, they just seem to invent new hurdles—telling you "don't touch this" or "this isn't covered"—just to make things difficult. It's truly awful.

Adam Fox3 said:Holding a Power of Attorney doesn't make you a co-conspirator or a guarantor for someone else's debts. It’s honestly baffling; that woman has absolutely nothing to do with that specific debt, regardless of whether she was the one physically withdrawing the funds or not.
But at the end of the day, it all boils down to the discretionary policies of these banks. During these economic downturns, they just seem to invent new hurdles—telling you "don't touch this" or "this isn't covered"—just to make things difficult. It's truly awful.

How can you—or the bank—be so sure she didn't withdraw it? Besides, even if she did, she’s the one who created the debt she's now refusing to pay. It's entirely possible the account holder sued her over it and now it's headed to court. I'm not jumping into the fray, but that's a realistic scenario...

If you ask me, the bank is actually in the right here, especially since they’re taking such a hard line about refusing to roll over the existing debt—especially after the whole thing already went through the courts.

Whoa, hold up. You guys are looking at this all wrong. Her cousin is currently in a legal battle with her employer, which is why those accounts got frozen. It’s got absolutely nothing to do with my girlfriend. The only connection is that she held the Power of Attorney back then, but she actually handed that card back to the bank about two years before any of this went down due to a court injunction. She hasn't touched it since.

So, no, the bank isn't hunting her down or anything.

I honestly find that whole story hard to swallow..
A Power of Attorney isn't some kind of joint liability agreement, and Google doesn't have any business or access regarding those documents; even if they did, there wouldn't be a leg to stand on if someone tried to pin the debt on the agent.

I have no idea how the bank even pulled that data in the first place.
Either way, there's plenty of cash out there, so banks can basically handpick whoever they consider a "suitable" client.
Doesn't look like a particularly bright move to me...

2 George Barrett35 - they live at the same address, and apparently that's why it's being flagged. At least, that's what the folks over at Chase said.

They should just head over to Bank of America; they can secure a loan with a co-signer from a government agency since they don't check Google. They’ll require a deposit and the interest sits at 13%, but if you need cash fast, there isn't a better option out there right now. Isn't that bank a safer bet than those shady credit unions or loan sharks?

Maybe they’d just mess around with Google a little bit and call it a problem

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