Resurrection

steeleagle13 said:My goal isn't to offend you😉

The point is—I'm just as much a god as you are.😉

Your inner self is divine. This outer version of you can call itself "Bog" if you feel like it. 😬 🤣 🤣
Comparing yourself to others isn't really a spiritual way to live. 🙂
And honestly, if you want to teach some hypnotized Christian anything, you probably have to act like the "devil" wrapped up in "Bog" cellophane. 2=0 😈 🤣 🤣 🤣

William Reed said:So, if God is available to absolutely everyone—which, yeah, He is—and if you have to seek Him out in the right place, which can't be anywhere outside of yourself, then where exactly do you get off deciding what someone else is allowed to say or not say while they're searching?
Of course you can't hide Him from anyone. You can only hide Him from yourself.

It feels to me like maybe you've just memorized these whole bunch of clichés—you know, God is the source of life, justice, love, blah blah blah—but it doesn't seem like you actually grasp what any of that means. And I think Sean Martinez4 was onto something; you've basically grabbed authority for the truth instead of letting the truth be your authority, and now you're trying to push that on everyone else. You don't really get it, and I guess that's why you feel insulted.
It insults you because the idea that "your" God is accessible to everyone is offensive, right? It hurts to think you aren't part of some special chosen group, or more valuable than others, or closer to Him than the next guy—that you aren't all that different from everyone else. The truth that God in you is the same God in someone else bothers you. Why is that? God is love, selfless love.

The doors to God's kingdom swing open the second you accept that you are in God and God is in you. There isn't some massive, complex wisdom to it. That's just what resurrection is.

Or maybe it's about raising energy from the Hara to the heart, and then from the heart to the pineal gland. You know, "raising the Kundalini to the pineal gland." 😍 👍

Hannah Thompson2 said:But where's the actual reasoning behind this:

"God is one of those rare entities that doesn't exist objectively on its own, but is instead just a product of the mind's imagination."?

Are you seriously claiming I'm the one who made it all up?

Nah. Just a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites. You're basically just some low-level clerk at Chase Bank. 🙂 😍

driftingraven122 said:Of course there's no way to argue this—it’s impossible. You can't even begin to argue whether the "ordinary" things surrounding us possess some sort of "objective existence" on their own, let alone a concept like Blue Moon. It’s all just empty rhetoric, I guess. 😉

As for anything divine? There's either one, a million, or none at all. Honestly, it doesn't matter.
"Bog" is just Catholic schizophrenia. 🙂

Hannah Thompson2 said:But where's the actual reasoning behind this:

"God is one of those rare entities that doesn't exist objectively on its own, but is instead just a product of the mind's imagination."?

Are you seriously claiming I'm the one who made it all up?

The Madman gave you a pretty solid response. Spiritualists love to insist that everything we perceive is just a byproduct of internal vision—of the mind. Yet, there is no mental construct more plausible than God himself, considering He doesn't actually exist within the physical world.

Sean Martinez4 said:Your inner self is divine. This outer version of you can call itself "Bog" if you feel like it. 😬 🤣 🤣
Comparing yourself to others isn't really a spiritual way to live. 🙂
And honestly, if you want to teach some hypnotized Christian anything, you probably have to act like the "devil" wrapped up in "Bog" cellophane. 2=0 😈 🤣 🤣 🤣

I'm not even going to bother arguing with him🙄

Sophia Parker8 said:The Madman gave you a pretty solid response. Spiritualists love to insist that everything we perceive is just a byproduct of internal vision—of the mind. Yet, there is no mental construct more plausible than God himself, considering He doesn't actually exist within the physical world.

I guess inner vision isn't really the mind. 🙂
The external world of phenomena is actually the elemental realm. 😍

steeleagle13 said:I'm not even going to bother arguing with him🙄

😘 😈 😍

Sean Martinez4 said:I guess inner vision isn't really the mind. 🙂
The external world of phenomena is actually the elemental realm. 😍

One's internal perception of the world isn't the world, either.
The only thing that truly exists as an internal construct is Bog.

Sophia Parker8 said:One's internal perception of the world isn't the world, either.
The only thing that truly exists as an internal construct is Bog.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. For some people, their own inner world is a thing, assuming they actually have one, of course. 😬 🤣 🤣 👍
Wait, so "God" is just an internal construct?? 😍🤣🤣🤣

Sean Martinez4 said:I guess it depends on how you look at it. For some people, their own inner world is a thing, assuming they actually have one, of course. 😬 🤣 🤣 👍
Wait, so "God" is just an internal construct?? 😍🤣🤣🤣

Since you tend to be perpetually vague, and I see no point in playing rhetorical games with you, I’ll just be blunt:
it’s become quite trendy lately to claim the external world is merely a projection of the mind, the spirit, or whatever other concept one prefers to use...
while treating God as this ultimate, objective reality.
In truth, it's the exact opposite. The world is what it is, whereas we're the ones who invented God.

Sophia Parker8 said:Since you tend to be perpetually vague, and I see no point in playing rhetorical games with you, I’ll just be blunt:
it’s become quite trendy lately to claim the external world is merely a projection of the mind, the spirit, or whatever other concept one prefers to use...
while treating God as this ultimate, objective reality.
In truth, it's the exact opposite. The world is what it is, whereas we're the ones who invented God.

Just another satanist, I guess! 🙂
I mean, where else would you go? Your own inner world? Is that not a thing? 🙂

Sean Martinez4 said:Just another satanist, I guess! 🙂
I mean, where else would you go? Your own inner world? Is that not a thing? 🙂

Satan is nothing more than a fabrication, a concept that has been recycled since the days of ancient dualism—from Mazdaism to Judaism to Christianity.

And where is the third option? Your own inner world? Is that missing too? 🙂

That’s beside the point. We were discussing the Resurrection, but then Hannah Thompson2 went and asked:

So, where exactly is the argument for this?

"God is one of those rare entities that doesn't actually exist on its own merits, but is instead merely a byproduct of a wandering mind."

Are you actually suggesting that I made this up?

Sean Martinez4 said:Nah. Just a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites. You're basically just some low-level clerk at Chase Bank. 🙂 😍

I’ve already mentioned that I consider myself a Christian rather than a Catholic—and honestly, I also said there's really no point in us getting into a debate since it feels like a lost cause. For that reason, I'd appreciate it if you didn't quote me; if I don't reply, I don't want anyone thinking I'm just dodging the conversation.

Sophia Parker8 said:The Madman gave you a pretty solid response. Spiritualists love to insist that everything we perceive is just a byproduct of internal vision—of the mind. Yet, there is no mental construct more plausible than God himself, considering He doesn't actually exist within the physical world.

Which spiritualists are we even talking about here? Even on this forum, you've got people acting like they're experts when they really aren't—and besides, the mind isn't some window into spirituality.

Just because you haven't personally encountered God doesn't mean others haven't. Remember, God doesn't exactly want to be on display for everyone; He reveals Himself to the few.

And this world? It isn't his kingdom.

Hannah Thompson2 said:Which spiritualists are we even talking about here? Even on this forum, you've got people acting like they're experts when they really aren't—and besides, the mind isn't some window into spirituality.

Just because you haven't personally encountered God doesn't mean others haven't. Remember, God doesn't exactly want to be on display for everyone; He reveals Himself to the few.

And this world? It isn't his kingdom.

The mind might not be the gateway to discovery, but it certainly handles description and classification; without it, you’re just drifting aimlessly like a ship lost at sea.
Granted, the mind isn't the vessel itself—it isn't the captain, the sail, or the hull. But it serves as the compass, the rudder, and the map.

Just because you haven't encountered God doesn't mean others haven't; remember, God doesn't intend for Himself to be visible to everyone, revealing His presence only to the few.
And this world isn't his kingdom.

It isn't. Precisely.

Hannah Thompson2 said:I’ve already mentioned that I consider myself a Christian rather than a Catholic—and honestly, I also said there's really no point in us getting into a debate since it feels like a lost cause. For that reason, I'd appreciate it if you didn't quote me; if I don't reply, I don't want anyone thinking I'm just dodging the conversation.

But that's honestly how it is. 😬 🤣 🤣 I mean, I'm not ashamed of God—if anyone should be worried, it's Him being worried about you. 😍

Hannah Thompson2 said:Which spiritualists are we even talking about here? Even on this forum, you've got people acting like they're experts when they really aren't—and besides, the mind isn't some window into spirituality.

Just because you haven't personally encountered God doesn't mean others haven't. Remember, God doesn't exactly want to be on display for everyone; He reveals Himself to the few.

And this world? It isn't his kingdom.

Calling it "divine"! That’s just some sick, materialistic, satanic nonsense. 😍 😬 😈 🤣 🤣 🤣

Sophia Parker8 said:The mind might not be the gateway to discovery, but it certainly handles description and classification; without it, you’re just drifting aimlessly like a ship lost at sea.
Granted, the mind isn't the vessel itself—it isn't the captain, the sail, or the hull. But it serves as the compass, the rudder, and the map.

Just because you haven't encountered God doesn't mean others haven't; remember, God doesn't intend for Himself to be visible to everyone, revealing His presence only to the few.
And this world isn't his kingdom.

It isn't. Precisely.

So we're basically translating this into bumblebee logic: 😍
God isn't the ship. He's not the captain or the sail. But I guess He is the compass. Maybe the rudder. Or the map. 😍

Sean Martinez4 said:So we're basically translating this into bumblebee logic: 😍
God isn't the ship. He's not the captain or the sail. But I guess He is the compass. Maybe the rudder. Or the map. 😍

That’s how atheists see it. To them, God is just a psychological tool built to help us get through the daily grind. Since He's viewed as a product of the mind—and a tool for the mind—He serves the exact same purpose as the mind itself. In that view, He really is just a compass, a rudder, or a map. Just like our own consciousness.
The sails represent our skills. The captain is our willpower. And the ships? Those are our individual vessels for experiencing this world. Our bodies.