Urgaya

Nancy Thompson3 said:And how exactly am I being "worked up" when I'm probably the happiest guy on the planet?
P.S. hit me up once you finally strike it rich!

... follow theme and we'll all get there eventually 😉

boldsailor2 said:... follow theme and we'll all get there eventually 😉

I'm following the theme.
So, let me ask you guys something: have any of you actually ever seen someone physically burned by kundalini?
The SCH phenomenon is its own thing. It's rare, and honestly, I'm not even sure if there's a real connection to kundalini.
Anyway, I'm just curious—how many of you actually buy into that urban legend?

Nancy Thompson3 said:Give me a break. It's all just urban legends. People talking about "opening their third eye" or whatever. You can think what you want, I guess.

Urban legends are for people who haven't actually seen it happen.🙂

bluemason3 said:Urban legends are for people who haven't actually seen it happen.🙂

Exactly. So, did you actually witness it? If so, walk me through it.

Nancy Thompson3 said:I'm following the theme.
So, let me ask you guys something: have any of you actually ever seen someone physically burned by kundalini?
The SCH phenomenon is its own thing. It's rare, and honestly, I'm not even sure if there's a real connection to kundalini.
Anyway, I'm just curious—how many of you actually buy into that urban legend?

We have—and we lived with him in an apartment.

It wasn't SCH. His psychiatrist was pretty baffled by things he couldn't categorize, eventually deciding he wasn't crazy despite all the strange conscious shifts (and the heightened siddhis, which he obviously didn't mention to the doctor).😁

That’s my firsthand experience. After looking into where his issues stemmed from, I found plenty of credible cases. Even support organizations for people dealing with kundalini issues are popping up more often lately (easy access to techniques combined with the chaos of modern American life is a bad mix).
Plus, you have books by two gurus who spent decades going through hellish experiences (which finally settled with Nirvikalp)—essentially, their entire sadhana was one long stretch of misery, illness, and madness: Gopa Krishna and B. S. Goel (Sdeshwar baba).

bluemason3 said:We have—and we lived with him in an apartment.

It wasn't SCH. His psychiatrist was pretty baffled by things he couldn't categorize, eventually deciding he wasn't crazy despite all the strange conscious shifts (and the heightened siddhis, which he obviously didn't mention to the doctor).😁

That’s my firsthand experience. After looking into where his issues stemmed from, I found plenty of credible cases. Even support organizations for people dealing with kundalini issues are popping up more often lately (easy access to techniques combined with the chaos of modern American life is a bad mix).
Plus, you have books by two gurus who spent decades going through hellish experiences (which finally settled with Nirvikalp)—essentially, their entire sadhana was one long stretch of misery, illness, and madness: Gopa Krishna and B. S. Goel (Sdeshwar baba).

You haven't really described anything other than the fact that the guy has mental health issues. You can't call someone "crazy"—that’s just a label, not an actual diagnosis.
So, what actually happened to him?

P.S. Siddhic phenomena? I guess I'm always fascinated by people who experience them. Give me some details.

Nancy Thompson3 said:You haven't really described anything other than the fact that the guy has mental health issues. You can't call someone "crazy"—that’s just a label, not an actual diagnosis.
So, what actually happened to him?

P.S. Siddhic phenomena? I guess I'm always fascinated by people who experience them. Give me some details.

Look, there's no point in us trying to convince ourselves of anything here.😁

Nothing major, though a few materializations occurred, plus one instance of bilocation (witnessed by a tight-knit circle of solid friends, so they're reliable enough in my book).

They say kundalini likes to "play around" like that regardless of what you want, at least during the initial stages. But he wasn't chasing that. He believes chasing siddhis is spiritually counterproductive and would only make an already grueling process even harder.

But I'm not him, and I have no clue what's going on in his head, so there's no point in speculating. I was just pointing out that there are people who've seen this "urban legend" firsthand, so take it for what it is.😁

bluemason3 said:Look, there's no point in us trying to convince ourselves of anything here.😁

Nothing major, though a few materializations occurred, plus one instance of bilocation (witnessed by a tight-knit circle of solid friends, so they're reliable enough in my book).

They say kundalini likes to "play around" like that regardless of what you want, at least during the initial stages. But he wasn't chasing that. He believes chasing siddhis is spiritually counterproductive and would only make an already grueling process even harder.

But I'm not him, and I have no clue what's going on in his head, so there's no point in speculating. I was just pointing out that there are people who've seen this "urban legend" firsthand, so take it for what it is.😁

Well, we won't. Simple as that.

Nothing special, really. Just a few materializations occurred—one instance of bilocation, too. It happened within my inner circle and among some pretty solid friends, so, as far as I'm concerned, we're talking about reliable witnesses here.

As far as I can tell, we aren't talking about anything particularly catastrophic here. I mean, having your brain fried—basically all the chakras getting blocked up—is one thing, but having kundalini surge through them? That’s an entirely different beast altogether. It's like comparing a minor glitch to spontaneous human combustion. Though, I guess there isn't really a direct link between the two, is there? Maybe.

People say that kundalini likes to "play around" like that, regardless of what you actually want, at least during the initial stages. But honestly, he hasn't spent enough time dwelling on that specific part. I guess his take is that chasing after siddhis is spiritually dangerous—like, it could actually make an already incredibly grueling process even more difficult.

So, what you're telling me is there's no actual burning involved? It’s just... playing around? I guess that's one way to look at it, maybe.

Look, I'm not him. I have zero clue what goes on inside his head, so there’s really no point in me trying to speculate on that. All I was saying is that some people have actually witnessed this "urban legend" firsthand, so you can decide for yourself if it's worth looking into. 😁

Look, let's be real here. Burning through chakras is burning through chakras. It’s one thing. But those sporadic PK effects that people keep claiming to experience? I don't know, they seem a little questionable to me. They're something else entirely.
So, QED... just an urban legend at this point, I guess.

SCH 😁 I thought you meant SCH (Schizophrenia 😁 )

I was under the impression you were talking about burnout in a metaphorical sense 😁

This is the first time I've ever heard of that being linked to kundalini 🤔

bluemason3 said:SCH 😁 I thought you meant SCH (Schizophrenia 😁 )

I was under the impression you were talking about burnout in a metaphorical sense 😁

This is the first time I've ever heard of that being linked to kundalini 🤔

People don't call me a metaphor-man. I'm more of a literalist. And as long as I stay literal, I stay lucid. If I start viewing the world through metaphors and analogies—and trust me, I know how to do that better than any poet or analogy-junkie, because being a mathematician means knowing how to find analogies... even analogies between analogies, according to Stephen Banach...—then I’ll go ahead and check myself into Vrapče or a psychiatric ward in Los Angeles. For now, I'm keeping a safe distance from those institutions.

This is the first time I've heard that linked to kundalini 🤔

Slavinski brought it up once, but let's move past him for a second.
So what does "burning a chakra" actually mean? What does the serpent power supposedly do to unpurified chakras? I'm not talking about metaphors here; I'm asking about the specific, damaging effect everyone is so terrified of, yet nobody has ever actually witnessed. Is it just irrational fear?

P.S. Once again: SHC stands for spontaneous human combustion. A person literally bursts into flames out of nowhere, as if they were cremated instantly. All that's left are their shoes.
Spontaneous combustion

bluemason3, how did your friend actually stumble upon those techniques? Did they have a "qualified" teacher guiding them?

Hannah Morris3 said:Has anyone here actually dealt with this teacher before—good, bad, or anything in between?

Hey everyone!

Just wanted to share my two cents... I ended up getting initiated into Urgaye (unfortunately), and everything I’m about to say was prompted by a really well-written article I found online, which I’ll link below. Basically, EVERYTHING described on that site is exactly what happens under Stanislav... it's pure trademarked stuff straight from Maherishi. I won't ramble, but it's honestly worth reading just to get a different perspective on things. For me, this was a major reality check... personally, I don't step foot in that center anymore. Luckily, it didn't take too long for me to learn my lesson.

http://www.suggestibility.org/index.htm

LeoHAPPINESS said:Basically, Swami Urgay teaches people how to be self-reliant—to really put in the work, stay disciplined, and engage deeply so they can build themselves up into healthy, happy, and creative human beings.

I actually know two guys who were initiated and have been practicing this stuff for a while now, but honestly? Both of them are out there drinking, smoking, and just living pretty messy lives. I'm not totally sure if there's a direct link to their practice or not, but in my experience, getting into a regular meditation routine usually helps pull a person away from those kinds of bad habits.

bluemason3 said:We have—and we lived with him in an apartment.

It wasn't SCH. His psychiatrist was pretty baffled by things he couldn't categorize, eventually deciding he wasn't crazy despite all the strange conscious shifts (and the heightened siddhis, which he obviously didn't mention to the doctor).😁

That’s my firsthand experience. After looking into where his issues stemmed from, I found plenty of credible cases. Even support organizations for people dealing with kundalini issues are popping up more often lately (easy access to techniques combined with the chaos of modern American life is a bad mix).
Plus, you have books by two gurus who spent decades going through hellish experiences (which finally settled with Nirvikalp)—essentially, their entire sadhana was one long stretch of misery, illness, and madness: Gopa Krishna and B. S. Goel (Sdeshwar baba).

Maybe go to India, because if you lose your grip there, nobody is going to take you seriously; the existential struggle is just too brutal.
Meanwhile, here in the West, it’s become almost trendy for every third person to be mentally unbalanced or psychotic.
I used to link kundalini to Maslow's "oceanic feeling," but that continuous state requires a perfectly detoxified body to sustain—after all, there's no point in pouring pure water into a mud puddle; the physiology just can't handle it. It's a bit like that intense passion a scientist feels when they're deep in discovery and realize days have slipped by without them eating, leaving the room, or sleeping—except with the rising of the spinal kundalini fire, there isn't even a logical reason for it, not even that fascination with life itself. It’s a purely biochemical phenomenon, not even neurological, and certainly not psychological.
You see something similar in athletes after extreme physical exertion, though usually, they retire shortly after because muscle tone can't stay at that peak forever; once they return to their baseline
musculoskeletal state of relaxation, they don't have the desire or the need to go through it again.
Kundalini would be roughly what Swami Satyananda Saraswati experienced spontaneously during his childhood, if he hadn't had a physical body to ground it.
But the danger is always rooted in the ego, since it can be quite subjective, too.
So, it's worth discussing... much like how there are many different types of breathing exercises, and I wouldn't call any of them "wrong," provided you know what you're doing.
😉

Jeremy Brooks6 said:Maybe go to India, because if you lose your grip there, nobody is going to take you seriously; the existential struggle is just too brutal.
Meanwhile, here in the West, it’s become almost trendy for every third person to be mentally unbalanced or psychotic.
I used to link kundalini to Maslow's "oceanic feeling," but that continuous state requires a perfectly detoxified body to sustain—after all, there's no point in pouring pure water into a mud puddle; the physiology just can't handle it. It's a bit like that intense passion a scientist feels when they're deep in discovery and realize days have slipped by without them eating, leaving the room, or sleeping—except with the rising of the spinal kundalini fire, there isn't even a logical reason for it, not even that fascination with life itself. It’s a purely biochemical phenomenon, not even neurological, and certainly not psychological.
You see something similar in athletes after extreme physical exertion, though usually, they retire shortly after because muscle tone can't stay at that peak forever; once they return to their baseline
musculoskeletal state of relaxation, they don't have the desire or the need to go through it again.
Kundalini would be roughly what Swami Satyananda Saraswati experienced spontaneously during his childhood, if he hadn't had a physical body to ground it.
But the danger is always rooted in the ego, since it can be quite subjective, too.
So, it's worth discussing... much like how there are many different types of breathing exercises, and I wouldn't call any of them "wrong," provided you know what you're doing.
😉

Look, if it relies on the autonomic nervous system, then yeah, it’s neurological by default.
And obviously, that hits the psyche too.

When you see four different users dropping posts on the exact same day within an eight-year-old thread—all saying the same thing despite having zero post history or seniority on this forum—it’s pretty obvious we aren't looking at real people. We're looking at a coordinated marketing raid. To make matters worse, these identical posts are clearly just copy-pasted from some other site where they were trying to "restore the reputation" of Divine Energy Park and Swami Urgay.

I’m not saying DEP or Urgay aren't legitimate, but this whole tactic of carpet-bombing threads with "positive testimonials" is incredibly transparent. Honestly, it’s just bad PR that does zero favors for the Swami himself.