It's not about the oil...

boldgardener93 said:Alright, "expert," if you're really as knowledgeable as you claim, then you should probably realize that Canada is basically just a standard American satellite, so an invasion isn't even necessary. Just imagine a scenario where Canada decides to stop selling oil to the US or suddenly hikes up the prices on us. Then we'll see how much of an "expert" you actually are.
It’s honestly laughable how they blindly follow America's lead in everything. They even shifted their clocks three weeks earlier, just like the US did. And then you get these self-proclaimed geniuses coming out with their "professional" commentary.

Well, I don't think it's a matter of refusal at all. It's not like Saddam Hussein was "refusing" to sell oil to Americans. As you put it, this is about "controlling" the reserves, yet the reality remains that Americans don't actually control the oil sands in Alberta.

And honestly, your take on the time change is pretty ridiculous. About 90% of Canadian trade is tied directly to the USA, and this shift is driven entirely by economic logic rather than some political conspiracy, as you so naively suggest...😲😲

Roger Robinson682 🙂

It looks like you still haven't quite grasped lesson number one: Americans are responsible for everything (and Americans are controlled by the jews 😍... though I don't mean the good ones, I mean those wicked Zionists)

🙂

boldgardener93 said:I don't see the connection. Americans already pretty much control everything else anyway.

"All the strings"? What's that supposed to mean? Where else is there oil? Besides, the Middle East is basically the bridge to the gas-rich areas near the Caspian Sea—which, by the way, is exactly why Congress just approved Georgia joining NATO two days ago.

Look, don't play dumb with me. It's pretty obvious. They went after everything in the Middle East except Iraq. But apparently, even that wasn't enough for them.

boldgardener93 said:Look, don't play dumb with me. It's pretty obvious. They went after everything in the Middle East except Iraq. But apparently, even that wasn't enough for them.

They don't have a grip on Iran or Syria. All they've got left is Jordan—which isn't exactly a major player—and Saudi Arabia, where things are shaky at best and mostly just depend on whatever local sheiks feel like doing that day.

Linda Hughes88 said:Look, I am seriously not in the mood to jump into yet another thousandth debate about Iraq, I'm just totally over it.
I was just pointing out how those figures and conclusions in that article were completely off base. Profit means actual earnings, period. And if you just do some super basic math, even the oil revenue from these last four years couldn't possibly hit those numbers. Let's say the average price of oil back in 2006 was $60. You multiply that by the number of days and say, roughly 2 million barrels a day, and you aren't walking away with more than 45 billion. And keep in mind, oil prices were way lower three or four years ago. So, the revenue isn't even anywhere near that massive figure, let alone actual profit. Plus, any oil companies working in Iraq are only grabbing a slice of that pie anyway...

And your final calculation doesn't hold water either. American taxpayers have poured way more than 150 billion dollars into this war in Iraq. Way, way more.
Some people ran the numbers years ago suggesting the total cost of the war would top 2 trillion dollars...

What do you think? Are Americans just going to flip raw crude on the market, or sell refined products like gasoline, diesel, kerosene, oils, and paraffin at a massive markup?

nimbletinker3 said:What do you think? Are Americans just going to flip raw crude on the market, or sell refined products like gasoline, diesel, kerosene, oils, and paraffin at a massive markup?

Look, if you're just starting out, maybe take a quick look at where American oil companies actually pull their crude from and what those percentages even look like...

boldgardener93 said:Glad you're on the same page.😬
The exact numbers don't even have to be perfect; the big picture has been obvious for a long time now. I guess some people just need it spelled out for them, but what can you really do?

I honestly don't get how oil has anything to do with suicide bombers.
Look, they're killing themselves—and their own civilians too. They couldn't care less about oil. All they want is to wipe out anyone who's different, and Americans are just an easy excuse.👎

Richard Wilson4 said:I honestly don't get how oil has anything to do with suicide bombers.
Look, they're killing themselves—and their own civilians too. They couldn't care less about oil. All they want is to wipe out anyone who's different, and Americans are just an easy excuse.👎

Who exactly are you arguing with? Some guy claiming that everything was under control and relatively peaceful back when Saddam Hussein was running things in Iraq? Give me a break.🙂

And all this after you Americans basically pulled him out of the fire himself, saving him from the Mexicans.

Honestly, your math just isn't adding up here.
Take your own example, for instance—say we look at an extraction rate of, I don't know, 2 million barrels a day over a period of 4 years, priced at $60 per barrel. Now, I think we've all already agreed that these are just arbitrary numbers we're tossing around since we don't have the actual data, but fine, let's work with what we've got.

4 years x 365 days = 1,460 days
1,460 x 2,000,000 barrels = 2,920,000,000
2,920,000,000 x $60 = $175,200,000,000.
That brings us to $175 billion.

But there’s a second thing you need to consider, which is that this isn't actually profit; it’s simply the total value of the crude oil itself.

Nancy Hall4 said:Honestly, your math just isn't adding up here.
Take your own example, for instance—say we look at an extraction rate of, I don't know, 2 million barrels a day over a period of 4 years, priced at $60 per barrel. Now, I think we've all already agreed that these are just arbitrary numbers we're tossing around since we don't have the actual data, but fine, let's work with what we've got.

4 years x 365 days = 1,460 days
1,460 x 2,000,000 barrels = 2,920,000,000
2,920,000,000 x $60 = $175,200,000,000.
That brings us to $175 billion.

But there’s a second thing you need to consider, which is that this isn't actually profit; it’s simply the total value of the crude oil itself.

Even if we assume the profit was somehow double that $175 billion mark, when you factor in that Americans have already sunk over $420 billion into this war, the whole theory that this was fought for oil just seems to fall apart...😲😲

Honestly, I don't have enough on hand to really dive deep into this one. I mean, I haven't even got a clue how much longer they actually intend to stay stationed there. And then you have to consider all those ripple effects, right? Like, how much is high oil pricing actually squeezing China and India, and is it starting to put a real dent in their economic growth? Or how much does a conflict like this pump up the military-industrial complex, or how much do shifting oil prices mess with the profitability of alternative energy sources and new tech? There are just so many layers to peel back here.

Nancy Hall4 said:Honestly, I don't have enough on hand to really dive deep into this one. I mean, I haven't even got a clue how much longer they actually intend to stay stationed there. And then you have to consider all those ripple effects, right? Like, how much is high oil pricing actually squeezing China and India, and is it starting to put a real dent in their economic growth? Or how much does a conflict like this pump up the military-industrial complex, or how much do shifting oil prices mess with the profitability of alternative energy sources and new tech? There are just so many layers to peel back here.

you're acting like you've got all the facts when you're just basing everything on oil being sixty bucks a barrel for the next four years...

So, it’s not even about Israel. Hmm...

Richard Wilson4 said:I honestly don't get how oil has anything to do with suicide bombers.
Look, they're killing themselves—and their own civilians too. They couldn't care less about oil. All they want is to wipe out anyone who's different, and Americans are just an easy excuse.👎

Just a quick question here: why was it that during the era of Saddam Hussein, those suicide bombers couldn't just get together to talk or meet face-to-face?
And honestly, who actually knows who's really behind planting those bombs and what they're actually aiming for? I guess peace definitely isn't the goal.

Roger Robinson682 said:Even if we assume the profit was somehow double that $175 billion mark, when you factor in that Americans have already sunk over $420 billion into this war, the whole theory that this was fought for oil just seems to fall apart...😲😲

So, you're suggesting Americans are actually losing money in Iraq? Come on, be real—do you seriously believe that? Like, the idea that Americans are just being their usual selfless, wonderful selves, staying in Iraq at their own massive expense just to defend democracy? I think Little Red Riding Hood is a more believable story than that.

Brian Moore67 said:So, it’s not even about Israel. Hmm...

Fine, go ahead and tell me you hate me then.😘

boldgardener93 said:Just a quick question here: why was it that during the era of Saddam Hussein, those suicide bombers couldn't just get together to talk or meet face-to-face?
And honestly, who actually knows who's really behind planting those bombs and what they're actually aiming for? I guess peace definitely isn't the goal.

Right, exactly... because Saddam was basically sending them out to cause chaos outside of Iraq. It's like comparing Arkan to Abu Nidal.

Brian Moore67 said:Right, exactly... because Saddam was basically sending them out to cause chaos outside of Iraq. It's like comparing Arkan to Abu Nidal.

Right, if you say so...

Linda Hughes88 said:you're acting like you've got all the facts when you're just basing everything on oil being sixty bucks a barrel for the next four years...

But look, we aren't even debating what the actual price was back then—neither you nor I are making claims about historical reality here. We just simplified the math using hypothetical numbers based entirely on your own logic:

Linda Hughes88 said:you're acting like you've got all the facts when you're just basing everything on oil being sixty bucks a barrel for the next four years...

If you're just trying to be difficult, please stop grasping at straws to save face. Instead of muddying the waters and trying to act brilliant with unverifiable figures, why not just admit when the math doesn't track? Honestly, I couldn't care less.