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Schizophrenia - General Discussion

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Angela Stewart6 Angela Stewart6 Active Member
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#6361 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:To me, this is just more proof that "intelligent design" doesn't hold water—it isn't actually intelligent, nor is it well-conceived from a design standpoint. One opening serving two functions (breathing and eating) was developed through evolution, and then we humans just tacked on a third function: speech. Animals don't chat while they eat, after all. 😁

If it didn't acknowledge them, certain priests wouldn't be performing exorcisms or even mentioning the Holy Spirit. When Christianity spread across America, it essentially had to "assimilate" all those pagan deities that were already present in these regions—rebranding them as saints so people could continue their worship without too much friction. And those old deities didn't just pop out of nowhere; they evolved from even older ancestor cults and animistic beliefs in nature spirits. Just as everything in nature constantly transforms, develops, and changes shape to adapt to its environment, the same thing happens within society. That said, we shouldn't claim a specific way of thinking is "better" or "more advanced" just because it's newer. It isn't. It's simply better adapted to its era. The way people with schizophrenia or autism function might have been more suited to the natural and social environment during certain phases of history than our current rationalist paradigm. Look at Abraham—if he wasn't experiencing schizophrenia, then nobody was, yet he's considered the father of three major world religions. Nowadays, if a man took his son into the mountains to sacrifice him because voices told him to, only to change his mind because the voices gave him new instructions, he wouldn't be seen as a figure of respect. He'd be viewed as dangerous to the community, forcibly hospitalized immediately, and kept on antipsychotics for the rest of his life. Back then, people valued and honored him. Those who hallucinated burning bushes or apocalypses... they wouldn't fare so well today. Unless, of course, they knew how to keep quiet and turned it into a movie or something. 🕺


I feel the need to offer a correction here, as holiness is a deeply complex subject to study. In my view, Moses and Jesus had to function in a very specific way because that was part of the divine plan for salvation. The Church makes a very clear distinction between illness and holiness. I actually heard about a priest who suffered from F20. He, for instance, possessed the ability to pray for incredibly long periods. I've even personally struggled with psychosis myself—where negative thoughts start creeping in and then you have to fight through them, and so on... Essentially, the Church carefully examines what actually happened in the lives of saints. To me, human holiness represents the highest level of intelligence for that individual. In the past, we needed someone like Moses to provide a figure for humanity to look toward for salvation and to leave behind a trace of God's presence. Nowadays, modern secularism tends to brush aside that kind of connection with God. At least, that's my take on it. Regardless, Moses is my favorite saint because his journey was undoubtedly incredibly difficult. I won't even bring up Jesus here, because He is a story all His own.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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Angela Stewart6 said:I feel the need to offer a correction here, as holiness is a deeply complex subject to study. In my view, Moses and Jesus had to function in a very specific way because that was part of the divine plan for salvation. The Church makes a very clear distinction between illness and holiness. I actually heard about a priest who suffered from F20. He, for instance, possessed the ability to pray for incredibly long periods. I've even personally struggled with psychosis myself—where negative thoughts start creeping in and then you have to fight through them, and so on... Essentially, the Church carefully examines what actually happened in the lives of saints. To me, human holiness represents the highest level of intelligence for that individual. In the past, we needed someone like Moses to provide a figure for humanity to look toward for salvation and to leave behind a trace of God's presence. Nowadays, modern secularism tends to brush aside that kind of connection with God. At least, that's my take on it. Regardless, Moses is my favorite saint because his journey was undoubtedly incredibly difficult. I won't even bring up Jesus here, because He is a story all His own.

I don't doubt you, but I'm not the Church. That's why I'm not judging anyone; in my eyes, you all are equally holy. 😁
Angela Stewart6 Angela Stewart6 Active Member
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#6363 ·
Laura Castillo6, I didn't quite wrap my head around what you were saying regarding consciousness. If you could break that down a bit more simply, that would be wonderful!

Laura Castillo6 said:Yeah, I actually used to take omega-3s for a while, but then I came across this https://www.businessinsider.com/omeg...aign=buffer-ti

It’s pretty much become common knowledge lately that those dietary supplements aren't nearly as effective as everyone used to think https://www.businessinsider.com/what...i-take-2015-10

Personally, I’m a big believer in actual medicine, so I decided to stop messing around with all those supplements myself.


I used to take vitamins and magnesium from Nature Made for a time. These days, things are a bit tight budget-wise, so I've switched to just taking a B-complex. Honestly, back when I was on the full regimen, I felt so much more energized—which was a lifesaver since my job involves heavy manual labor.

Joseph Bailey41 said:I don't doubt you, but I'm not the Church. That's why I'm not judging anyone; in my eyes, you all are equally holy. 😁


You don't "work" toward becoming a saint—you simply become one. You never truly know when it will happen.

So, let me ask you all—do you think consciousness is essentially synonymous with alertness? In that sense, the more alert one is, the better. Or perhaps we lose that clarity during psychosis? Or maybe it becomes so intense within us that we end up losing ourselves entirely.
Laura Castillo6 Laura Castillo6 Active Member
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#6364 ·
Angela Stewart6 said:Laura Castillo6, I didn't quite wrap my head around what you were saying regarding consciousness. If you could break that down a bit more simply, that would be wonderful!

I used to take vitamins and magnesium from Nature Made for a time. These days, things are a bit tight budget-wise, so I've switched to just taking a B-complex. Honestly, back when I was on the full regimen, I felt so much more energized—which was a lifesaver since my job involves heavy manual labor.

You don't "work" toward becoming a saint—you simply become one. You never truly know when it will happen.

So, let me ask you all—do you think consciousness is essentially synonymous with alertness? In that sense, the more alert one is, the better. Or perhaps we lose that clarity during psychosis? Or maybe it becomes so intense within us that we end up losing ourselves entirely.

Basically, the brain makes its move first, and then we become aware of it afterward. It's like consciousness isn't actually the heavy lifter when it comes to making decisions.

I’d also throw in that, looking at people dealing with psychosis, it seems like you don't necessarily need a functional sense of consciousness just to survive—at least for a little while.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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Laura Castillo6 said:Basically, the brain makes its move first, and then we become aware of it afterward. It's like consciousness isn't actually the heavy lifter when it comes to making decisions.

I’d also throw in that, looking at people dealing with psychosis, it seems like you don't necessarily need a functional sense of consciousness just to survive—at least for a little while.

Technically, you don't even need a brain, but it sure does make life more interesting. 😁
Laura Castillo6 Laura Castillo6 Active Member
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#6366 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Technically, you don't even need a brain, but it sure does make life more interesting. 😁

There’s something about jellyfish that gives so many people a sense of hope. 😁
Jose Ward4 Jose Ward4 Regular
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#6367 ·
My dear fellow Schizophrenia warriors, you wouldn't believe how incredibly worked up Jose Ward4 is today. And no, it’s not some psychotic episode—it’s just an absolutely relentless, unquenchable craving for sex. That’s just where I am today. Maybe it's this weather. Does it ever hit you guys like that? Just wanting to be intimate constantly? Like, the wild, unrestrained kind? It’s honestly overwhelming.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#6368 ·
Jose Ward4 said:My dear fellow Schizophrenia warriors, you wouldn't believe how incredibly worked up Jose Ward4 is today. And no, it’s not some psychotic episode—it’s just an absolutely relentless, unquenchable craving for sex. That’s just where I am today. Maybe it's this weather. Does it ever hit you guys like that? Just wanting to be intimate constantly? Like, the wild, unrestrained kind? It’s honestly overwhelming.

Trust me, you aren't alone in that. 🤣
Jose Ward4 Jose Ward4 Regular
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#6369 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Trust me, you aren't alone in that. 🤣

Honestly, I feel like I could probably run a marathon right now.
Jamie Lewis Jamie Lewis Member
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Jose Ward4 Jose Ward4 Regular
379 messages
joined May 2015
#6371 ·
You’ve actually been on this forum a year longer than I have, Joseph Bailey41.
Angela Stewart6 Angela Stewart6 Active Member
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joined Aug 2015
#6372 ·
I’ve truly enjoyed our wonderful little chats lately—honestly, it’s been such a pleasure!—but I feel like I’ve started to become a bit of a nuisance, even to myself. So, I’ll just say a quick hello and wish you all the very best until our paths happen to cross again.🙂👋
bluejackal2 bluejackal2 Member
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#6373 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Thanks. I just went and did a quick Google search—honestly, I’m surprised it didn't occur to me sooner—and here is what I found:

https://www.verywellmind.com/relatio...mptoms-2797525

https://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/sc...rticle/759866/

That feels like the missing link I've been looking for. 👍

I'm really glad I pushed on this topic, because I honestly used to think PTSD and psychosis didn't really overlap, but looking at this link, I recognized these experiences in myself:

Quote: most Common Symptoms of Psychosis with PTSD
The most common positive symptoms in the study above were:

1. Believing that other people were spying on or following them (27.5 percent)

2. Believing that they could hear what someone else was thinking (12.4 percent)

3. Being bothered by strange smells that no one else could smell (10.3 percent)

4. Believing that their behaviors and thoughts were being controlled by some power or force (10 percent)

I'll just give you my own example regarding those non-existent smells: I’m driving down the highway and someone zooms past me, so I start analyzing their license plate and realize they must be a spy, which makes me floor it to chase them down faster than I ever have before. Once I hit those high speeds, I start smelling something like electrical wiring burning; the harder I step on the gas, the stronger the stench gets, and when I let off, it fades. To me, that was the sign that I shouldn't have been tailing the spy, so I backed off and the smell vanished instantly—it made me realize my car was specially designed to look out for me and that it was incredibly intelligent.
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
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#6374 ·
I can't speak for everyone else here, but for me, depression is hands down the most miserable, gut-wrenching feeling I've ever had to endure. It’s a slow burn, but you can really feel it systematically tearing your life apart. I've also dealt with the complete opposite end of the spectrum—those manic-psychotic episodes—which, to be honest, can feel pretty great while they're happening, even if they leave a massive trail of destruction in their wake. Ideally, you want to stay somewhere in that healthy middle ground, but man, that's such a moving target to aim for; you're constantly chasing it. For me, medication is really my only reliable tool. I wouldn't say I'm overmedicated, per se; it's more that I'm trying to manage the heavy negative symptoms of psychosis, and depression is a huge part of that. It might even be that the Abilify is contributing to my low moods, but if I stop taking it, I run the risk of spiraling straight back into a psychotic state. So, I'm stuck in this endless loop of depression-psychosis-depression—though, truthfully, the depression lasts much longer. There are moments where I feel "normal," but those windows are brief, or at least that's how it feels from where I'm standing right now.
Because of all these mental health hurdles, my social life and career have taken quite a hit. As for starting my own family, I don't even let myself dream about it because I'm afraid of just setting myself up for disappointment. Work is... well, it's fine for now. I've got a job, though who knows how much longer that will last.
Lately, I've been in this strange, jittery phase where everything just gets under my skin. Every little thing is getting on my nerves. 🙂
I think it might be time for me to take a 5 mg Normabud. 😉
Laura Castillo6 Laura Castillo6 Active Member
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#6375 ·
Just hang in there and be as persistent as you possibly can.
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
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#6376 ·
Laura Castillo6 said:Just hang in there and be as persistent as you possibly can.

I can certainly try to be persistent, but I’m starting to feel like this specific approach to treatment isn't really working for me. It feels like a double-edged sword; as much as the meds help on one hand, they seem to be doing just as much damage on the other. Without them, I might struggle with my mental stability, but with them, I feel like a shell of a person—emotionally numb, isolated, and like I'm just spinning my wheels in life. Does anyone else honestly think this is a fair way to live?
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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Harold Anderson3 said:I can certainly try to be persistent, but I’m starting to feel like this specific approach to treatment isn't really working for me. It feels like a double-edged sword; as much as the meds help on one hand, they seem to be doing just as much damage on the other. Without them, I might struggle with my mental stability, but with them, I feel like a shell of a person—emotionally numb, isolated, and like I'm just spinning my wheels in life. Does anyone else honestly think this is a fair way to live?

My favorite definition of insanity is "insisting on doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
(And I think I might have said too much there.)
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
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#6378 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:My favorite definition of insanity is "insisting on doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
(And I think I might have said too much there.)

You mentioned that I’d be considered 'crazy' if I stick with the medication, but the reality is that without them, I’m just 'crazy' by default. It feels like I can't really win either way, no matter how you look at it. 😁
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
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#6379 ·
Instead of constantly worrying about my health, I really wish I could just wake up feeling fine, but I suppose there's no avoiding this reality. I have to learn how to embrace my condition and find a way to coexist with it. There isn't any other way forward. It's just the way things are.
The real challenge, though, is wondering if others will be able to accept me alongside everything I'm going through... and honestly, that part feels a little more daunting.☕
darksurfer4 darksurfer4 Active Member
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#6380 ·
Harold Anderson3 said:Instead of constantly worrying about my health, I really wish I could just wake up feeling fine, but I suppose there's no avoiding this reality. I have to learn how to embrace my condition and find a way to coexist with it. There isn't any other way forward. It's just the way things are.
The real challenge, though, is wondering if others will be able to accept me alongside everything I'm going through... and honestly, that part feels a little more daunting.☕

Hey Diego, how are you doing? As for whether others will accept you—who exactly are these "others"? People who don't deal with schizophrenia? You can find all sorts of those people out there in the world...

If you're really that worried about being accepted, honestly, you might be better off starting your own cult and declaring yourself a deity; then nobody would dare question you because everything would just be "the will of God."

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