Schizophrenia - General Discussion

coppergardener said:hey

I recently had my first appointment with a psychiatrist—it actually lasted a good twenty minutes or so, which was surprising—and I've been dealing with these symptoms for about ten years now. On my clinical assessment, she noted progressive schizotypal personality disorder (which, truth be told, is what I had already diagnosed myself) and mentioned that there’s an observable progression of schizophrenic processes under observation. Now, here is the thing: I am resisting medication for the time being; I really wanted to see if psychotherapy could be my first line of defense. Of course—as I had already suspected—she informed me quite bluntly that no therapist in the States is going to take me on if I refuse to take medication. Since I don't have symptoms that would actively derail the therapy sessions themselves, and considering how overworked our American psychiatrists are—seeing fifty or sixty patients a day is not uncommon—I highly doubt anyone would bother talking to me unless I was medicated. I even asked her what kind of prescription she would suggest if I did decide to comply... and she said she wasn't quite sure yet. Well, isn't that just... something.

Can anyone here tell me what kind of medications are typically prescribed for schizotypal disorder? (To add some context: I deal with intrusive thoughts and elements that lean toward cyclothymia... though no hallucinations... if I were to list every single symptom, I'd practically be writing a dissertation 😁.)

And honestly, what on earth... if there is an organic basis for this, I have no way of knowing what it might be since I declined the meds right out of the gate. She simply told me that given the nature of my questions and my intellectual capacity, I could only find the kind of care I'm looking for through private practice—which, unfortunately, is simply not an option for me financially—and then she told me to reach out for a follow-up as needed. A follow-up🙄...

I certainly suspect that functioning properly without medication might be a struggle, but due to certain personal and health-related reasons, I have a massive amount of fear and resistance when it comes to drugs.

So... is there anyone else here living with schizotypal?

Thanks!

I highly doubt—though I don't have much experience here—that a good private psychotherapist would turn you away... I suppose you won't truly know until you ask. I once met Dr. Denis Legac, who is a vice president of the American Society for Medical Hypnosis. Who knows if hypnosis might help you? She (Legac) is located near San Francisco, and she seemed alright to me (even though those "merchant" doctors irritate me—the ones who view their profession as just selling services based on market principles, as if medicine were no different from any other business).
In cases like this, I'd always suggest reaching out to a more advanced psychotherapist—someone well-versed in modern, cutting-edge therapeutic techniques... I think that would offer a better chance at finding relief.

briskgull27 said:This condition is honestly so overwhelming that even doctors hesitate to officially write down an F20 diagnosis on your medical records.
I personally can't wrap my head around what exactly makes my experience so "abnormal," and truthfully, I don't even want to find out since it's a lifelong journey.
I've been dealing with this for ten years now.
People often compare managing it to living with diabetes.
It’s such a heavy burden that you'll occasionally run into someone offering "alternative" cures just to get their foot in the door.
A doctor friend of mine once explained that it's sometimes referred to as "cancer of the soul."
As for me, I don't really have any desire to fully embrace that "reality."
That's all for now! 👏
Would you actually want to have a close friend or a family member living with schizophrenia?

Hey, a long time ago I had a boyfriend who struggled with severe schizophrenia. He was treated at a state facility in a place like Topeka, where they focused heavily on medication. He ended up feeling pretty let down because he thought talking things through would fix him, but the staff just wanted to stick to the prescriptions, and he wasn't really interested in taking them...

Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

So, I just finished this assessment, and it suggests I have a moderate level of schizophrenia🙂 I already knew that, honestly, but it doesn't bother me much. When I was younger, I used to see things that weren't there, hear terrifying voices, and had this phobia of mirrors because I was afraid of seeing monsters in the reflection—stuff like that. But that was back then, and I didn't dwell on it or tell anyone because I was just a kid. I remember having my first vision around four years old, then another one when I was three, and then hearing a voice when I was seven or eight while looking in the mirror. That was pretty much it. I never let it get to me or made a big deal out of it, mostly because I was young and just moved past it. I think if you obsess over it too much, you just spiral. Maybe I'm rambling, but anyway, I remember being at a concert recently—not sure if it was the mix of alcohol, meds, or just the condition—but I was walking with a friend and a guy, and suddenly I saw three little girls holding hands. Then I looked closer and realized they were actually three pillars, and I just burst out laughing. I don't know if someone else would have been worried, but for me, it was actually a funny moment.🙂...though I did go through depression later, and I can say that my experience with schizophrenia is nothing compared to how brutal depression can be. Still, I think the best way to handle it, if you can't manage on your own, is through treatment... whether that's medication or therapy... basically, getting help.

James Smith66, you ever mess with stuff that revs up the schizo vibes? I have... from way back in the day until now... just hitting them hard... we'll see how it goes...

So I'm just scrolling through this article that Mad posted in the links section.
It’s been ages since I bothered reading stuff like this, but here we are.
Now you've got scientists obsessing over dopamine and serotonin—though I didn't quite catch that part because when I'm on my antidepressants, the serotonin is supposed to stay right there in the cell.
Then they start digging into family histories and how much money the government is bleeding out on healthcare costs.
And then there's the whole "are crazy people going to hurt anyone?" thing. Yeah, right. Ha.
Oh, and another "fascinating" theory is that people with schizophrenia suffer from a "flattened emotional life" and all that other crap.

Why do we—and yeah, I'm talking about us schizos—basically kill ourselves?
Don't even get me started, because every single day you're stuck feeling like total trash, like some kind of monster or a freak of nature.
If there's some person with schizophrenia who isn't aware of that, they're actually out of their mind.
Plus, you can be genuinely evil without having a single scar to show for it.

But hey, what would this world even look like if everyone was rich, gorgeous, healthy, and brilliant?
It'd probably thrive, crazy me.
Whatever, I don't give a damn! It's totally normal!

When I was younger, I wasn't really using anything, even though I was dealing with schizophrenia back then. Now, things are different, though there was one period where seeing those kids instead of pillars led me to take some nerve medication mixed with alcohol... aside from that, marijuana was the only thing I ever tried, and it never caused me any hallucinations.

Hey, anyone here dealing with an F23 diagnosis? Just curious what kind of symptoms you guys actually dealt with

Let's talk about some of the big misconceptions floating around regarding mental health. There’s so much noise out there, but I want to dive into the Myths of Mental Illness Keys to clear things up. First off, we need to look at Understanding Mental health Myth 1. A lot of people assume these struggles are permanent life sentences, but The fact is : Mental health difficulties ara often temporary in Nature. It doesn't have to be forever. Also, we can't just generalize everyone; The fact is : most People Who have been through these experiences have incredible resilience. Sometimes, Physical therapy often fills this rola after a physical illness, and mental health recovery works in a similar way—it's about rebuilding. We also have to acknowledge that The problems in living as well as The restrictive services often have interfered with their education and Learning of normal development behaviors, which makes the path a bit more complicated than people realize. Then there's Myth 3. People tend to get scared, but The fact is : People Who have Come through a serious emotional and mental trauma and have returned to their lives show us how much strength exists within. Factually speaking, the stigma is often worse than the reality. We also have to address Myth 4. There's this dangerous idea that everyone with a diagnosis is dangerous, like they're all Charles Manson, but that's just not true. The fact is : most People Who have mental problems never went on to hurt anyone. And honestly? The fact is : Many People recovering fra mental di find themselves more capable of empathy and connection than the average person. It's all about seeing the human being behind the label. Stay positive, guys!
Keys to Understanding Mental Health

Understanding Mental health Myth 1: There’s this idea floating around that once someone deals with a mental disability, they can never get back to being "normal." But honestly? That couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is : Mental health difficulties ara often temporary in Nature. People bounce back all the time, and life moves on.
The fact is : Mental health difficulties ara often temporary in Nature. Honestly, people love to blow things out of proportion, taking a totally normal reaction to stress or some heavy trauma and slapping an "abnormal" label on it. It’s just unfair and honestly pretty unrealistic. A lot of folks end up defining who they are based on what everyone else thinks, and when the "experts" come in with all those heavy-duty labels, it usually just makes everything harder instead of actually helping.

Myth 2: If someone else can manage their disability without help, then people dealing with mental health issues should be able to do the same. People who are on the mend from mental health struggles deserve that same chance to bounce back and thrive.
The fact is : most People Who have been through a disabling incident really need some solid support or rehab to get back on their feet and feel like themselves again. It’s just how it works. Like, if you’re recovering from a major physical illness, physical therapy often fills this rola after a physical illness to get you moving. In the exact same way, when someone is dealing with a mental disability, they usually need that social rehabilitation to help them navigate life again. It’s all about getting that balance back!
Look, there’s a ton of different layers to why this happens. One huge part of it is the stigma that gets thrown around—it just hammers at someone's self-esteem, making it way harder to build those trusting connections with other people. On top of that, the struggles themselves usually stem from not having the right tools to handle intense stress or trauma. It’s all about learning new ways to cope and building up that self-awareness so you can basically "vaccinate" yourself against future hits. Plus, let's be real: The problems in living as well as The restrictive services often have interfered with their education and Learning of normal development behaviors, so they really just need some time to catch up.

Myth 3: Mentally disabled people are dangerous.

The fact is : People Who have Come through a serious emotional and mental trauma and have returned are usually just looking to find their footing again—they tend to be more anxious, shy, or laid back rather than anything else. Honestly, they're rarely ever a threat to anyone out there in the community.
The whole "homicidal maniac" trope you see in movies? That’s basically just media propaganda at work. Every time some horrific, senseless act of violence hits the news, people immediately jump to labeling it as "crazy." But if you look at the reality, Factually, Charles Manson and those other infamous killers were actually sane. It really says more about our skewed perception of insanity than anything else. At the end of the day, it should be clear that violence isn't a symptom of mental illness—it's just what violent people do.

Myth 4: There's this idea that people who've recovered from mental health issues are just ticking time bombs waiting to snap. Like they're gonna go totally berserk out of nowhere. The fact is : most People Who have mental problems never went on violent paths. It's honestly such a huge misconception.

The fact is : most People Who have been through mental struggles rarely ever snap or go totally off the rails. Honestly, when people are dealing with stuff, they’re way more likely to just pull inward and deal with depression rather than acting out or being aggressive. It usually works like this: relapses don't just happen overnight; they kind of creep up on you as life gets heavy and starts wearing down your ability to cope. If someone learns how to spot their own red flags early on, they can reach out for help, and having friends or family stay alert to those shifts makes a massive difference in getting support when it counts. That whole fear that someone who’s recovered is just gonna suddenly "lose it" is almost never based in reality—it's really just a byproduct of the stigma the media keeps pushing.

Myth 5: You can't trust someone who's recovered to hold down a real job.

The fact is : Many People recovering fra mental di make incredible employees. Seriously, you'd be surprised—bosses are constantly telling us that folks coming through this stuff actually crush it when it comes to showing up on time and being reliable. When you look at the big picture, their drive, the quality of what they produce, and how long they stick around at a company are pretty much right on par with everyone else.
Look, let's be real—the grind of daily life can definitely trigger a relapse if you aren't careful. But honestly? It's all about catching those red flags early. If you can spot the signs before things go south, you can grab some support before your work starts slipping. And hey, employers can actually play a huge part here too! Instead of breathing down someone's neck, they could just step up and offer a hand during the rough patches. The key is to support the person without lowering the bar on performance; otherwise, you're just crushing their self-esteem, and nobody needs that.

Myth 6: There’s this idea that once someone recovers, they might be okay with some entry-level grunt work, but they just don't have what it takes to handle high-stakes or leadership roles.

The fact is : most People Who have been through mental health challenges are just individuals, plain and simple. At the end of the day, your career path isn't dictated by a diagnosis—it’s driven by your unique skills, what you bring to the table, and how much drive you actually have. Honestly, if you look at some of the biggest names in politics or the most iconic artists out there, plenty of them reached the absolute top while navigating their own mental health struggles. It doesn't define what you can achieve.

Myth 7: There’s nothing I can do to help.

The fact is : Mental health difficulties ara often temporary in Nature. Honestly, the way we treat one another can change everything. When capable, driven people dealing with mental health struggles get shut out of jobs, apartments, or basic opportunities just because of old-school stigmas and bad assumptions, we aren't helping—we're actually fueling the fire. Our sense of self-worth is deeply tied to how the people around us perceive us. If you actually trust us with responsibilities, we’ll step up and take them.
At the end of the day, folks living with mental health challenges are PEOPLE first. Period. We have the exact same needs and reactions as anybody else on the street. You can make a massive impact just by shutting down those fake narratives and spreading some truth.
SPREAD THE TRUTH

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brightsurfer said:Hey, anyone here dealing with an F23 diagnosis? Just curious what kind of symptoms you guys actually dealt with

I've got it. I used to deal with auditory hallucinations—and smells too, all the time—until I finally started treatment. How about you?

brightsurfer said:Hey, anyone here dealing with an F23 diagnosis? Just curious what kind of symptoms you guys actually dealt with

For crying out loud, just read my previous posts! My discharge papers clearly stated F-22.

I’m not sure if this thread is still active, but I just noticed it. A few years ago, I lost someone very dear to me—she was struggling with schizophrenia and ended up taking her own life. To make matters worse, her family kept her condition a complete secret, spinning all these alternative excuses and explanations until everything finally reached its tragic conclusion.

Laura Palmer25 said:I’m not sure if this thread is still active, but I just noticed it. A few years ago, I lost someone very dear to me—she was struggling with schizophrenia and ended up taking her own life. To make matters worse, her family kept her condition a complete secret, spinning all these alternative excuses and explanations until everything finally reached its tragic conclusion.

Look, I get it, some people dealing with schizophrenia or other mental health struggles reach that breaking point because life just becomes too much to bear, that's for sure.

Breaking Down Schizoaffective Disorder

So, what's the deal with schizoaffective disorder? Basically, it's a heavy-duty mental health condition that shares a lot of DNA with schizophrenia. It hits pretty much everything in a person's life—everything from keeping a job or staying on top of schoolwork to maintaining friendships and even just basic stuff like staying groomed and taking care of themselves. The symptoms are all over the map, though, ranging from losing touch with what's actually happening (think hallucinations or delusions) to intense mood swings like deep depression, feeling totally unmotivated, being unable to enjoy things, or just having zero focus. Because it can get pretty intense, there are times when someone might need to stay in a hospital for a bit to get stabilized. I always think of it like "dreaming while you're wide awake"—it gets super tricky to tell where reality ends and the fantasy begins.

How Often Does This Happen?

It’s more common than you might think; roughly one in every two hundred people will deal with schizoaffective disorder at some point in their lives. Along with schizophrenia, it stands as one of the most frequent serious psychiatric challenges out there. In fact, if you look at hospital admissions across the US, people dealing with these specific conditions take up more beds than anyone else in the psych ward.

So, How Do Doctors Figure It Out?

You can't just get a quick scan and call it a day; a diagnosis only happens through a clinical interview. The whole point of that sit-down is for a pro to figure out if someone is hitting those specific symptom markers and if they've been hanging around long enough to qualify for the diagnosis. On top of the chat, the doctor also has to rule out other stuff—like making sure it isn't a physical issue like a brain tumor or something related to substance abuse that's mimicking the disorder.

There's no magic blood test, X-ray, or CAT scan that can spot schizoaffective disorder. It really comes down to that face-to-face conversation to get the right answer.

The Main Signs to Look For

To officially land a diagnosis, a person usually has to show a noticeable dip in how they function socially for at least six months—we're talking struggling at work, falling behind in class, or having a hard time with friends and basic self-care. Beyond that, the symptoms generally fall into five big buckets: positive symptoms, negative symptoms, manic episodes, depressive episodes, and a few other miscellaneous ones. Most folks living with this won't have every single thing on the list, but they'll definitely feel some combination of them.

Managing Schizoaffective Disorder: What to Expect

A lot of the stuff used to handle schizophrenia works wonders for schizoaffective disorder too. For most folks dealing with this, antipsychotic meds are a real game-changer, though they aren't a magic "cure" or anything—they mostly just help dial down the symptoms and keep those relapses from hitting so hard. Sometimes, doctors will toss in antidepressants or mood stabilizers, like Lithium, to help steady out the depressive or manic sides of things. Beyond just meds, there's plenty of other helpful tools out there, like social skills training, job rehab programs, and solid case management. Getting some family therapy in the mix is huge for lowering the stress levels at home and helping everyone stay on top of things, too. Plus, having a good counselor to talk to can really help someone navigate the ups and downs and find a way to cope with everything that comes with the diagnosis.

If you’ve got questions about any of this, definitely go chat with a pro—like a psychiatrist, psychologist, or a licensed social worker.

Source: Mental Health America guide on schizoaffective disorder

David Kern14 said:Managing Schizoaffective Disorder: What to Expect

A lot of the stuff used to handle schizophrenia works wonders for schizoaffective disorder too. For most folks dealing with this, antipsychotic meds are a real game-changer, though they aren't a magic "cure" or anything—they mostly just help dial down the symptoms and keep those relapses from hitting so hard. Sometimes, doctors will toss in antidepressants or mood stabilizers, like Lithium, to help steady out the depressive or manic sides of things. Beyond just meds, there's plenty of other helpful tools out there, like social skills training, job rehab programs, and solid case management. Getting some family therapy in the mix is huge for lowering the stress levels at home and helping everyone stay on top of things, too. Plus, having a good counselor to talk to can really help someone navigate the ups and downs and find a way to cope with everything that comes with the diagnosis.

If you’ve got questions about any of this, definitely go chat with a pro—like a psychiatrist, psychologist, or a licensed social worker.

Source: Mental Health America guide on schizoaffective disorder

About a year ago, I was diagnosed with a condition similar to schizophrenia.
Ever since I realized what was going on, my family has been nudging me toward seeing a doctor.
Until last year, honestly, I just couldn't wrap my head around the idea that something wasn't quite right with my mental health.
But here I am... I've accepted the reality of it, and I fully intend to fight through it... looking for ways to help myself and hopefully offer some support to others on this forum, too, because depression feels pretty much the same for everyone.

So, well, that's the situation.
......everyone is welcome to join the conversation, not just those of us dealing with schizophrenia; feel free to comment, give advice, or just offer some encouragement. :-)

I'm new to the forum.
That’s why I think starting a new thread like this is important for all of us. It gives me a chance to introduce myself so we can work together toward figuring out our own sets of problems.

by rapidbear16

Hey, so, are you one of those paranoid, introverted types dealing with schizophrenia, or are you more of that loudmouth type who just blathers on about nonsense without even realizing how ridiculous they sound? 😍

Hey everyone!
I'm posting because I could really use some advice here...
Does anyone have any firsthand experience with the psychiatric hospital in Newport? What’s the deal with the doctors and the nursing staff? My brother is dealing with paranoid schizophrenia and this is his second time being hospitalized, though it's his first time at the Newport facility.

So, what actually causes schizophrenia?

It’s almost a universal thing—you’ve got the patient's family, and even the person struggling themselves, constantly asking why this disease showed up in the first place. Parents, especially, tend to go down these rabbit holes looking for a cause, often landing on all sorts of explanations that are really just tied back to feelings of guilt or self-blame. Schizophrenia is such a complex beast, and honestly, there are a ton of different theories floating around about what actually causes it.

The role of inheritance.

Nowadays, we actually have proof that there's a genetic predisposition for developing schizophrenia. Basically, it means someone carries a gene for it that can be triggered for unknown reasons, which then leads to the actual onset of the illness. You'll definitely notice it runs in certain families more often than others. If one or even both of your parents have schizophrenia, the risk of you developing it goes up, but don't freak out—it doesn't mean every kid with a parent struggling with the condition is definitely going to end up with it too.
When it comes to schizophrenia, it's like... Maybe. So, we’re talking about the connection between the temporal and frontal lobes—specifically looking at atrophy, or the wasting away of brain cells, in the frontal lobe area. It’s also a super common finding in people living with schizophrenia, along with decreased metabolic activity in parts of the frontal lobe, which is what doctors call hypofrontality.
According to biochemical theories, this disorder is all about an imbalance of chemicals in the brain known as neurotransmitters. Basically, their whole job is to pass signals—you know, the information—from one nerve cell to the next, which we call neurons.
According to some research, the brain of someone with schizophrenia just doesn't process info quite right, and it struggles to filter out what actually matters. It’s like they get totally overwhelmed by this massive flood of useless background noise from the world around them—they end up clinging to all these random, unimportant details while the stuff that's actually vital just slips right through their fingers. The reason information gets processed all wrong like that comes down to chemical and structural imbalances in the brain.
The neurodevelopmental hypothesis regarding what causes schizophrenia is a really big topic of conversation right now. So, the general idea is that schizophrenia is basically a brain development disorder. During those early stages of brain growth—even before you're born—these faulty connections start forming between neurons. They just sit there, totally undetected, until adolescence hits and everything starts to surface. It’s all about these super subtle shifts, but once the illness actually kicks in, those tiny changes end up showing up in all sorts of different ways in a person's behavior.
The old theories about viruses and autoimmune issues being the main culprits behind schizophrenia aren't really the big focus they used to be.

Stressful circumstances.

Stressful circumstances—we're talking things like emotional neglect or abuse during childhood, growing up in poverty, or being socially isolated—can't trigger schizophrenia all on their own. Stressful situations can definitely trigger the onset of schizophrenia in people who already have a genetic predisposition. Schizophrenia isn't caused by bad parenting—there’s no such thing as a "schizophrenogenic mother" who creates schizophrenic kids, and it definitely isn't just a byproduct of modern lifestyle or some "healthy" reaction to a sick society.

How can you spot a relapse coming?

Schizophrenia usually hits in waves or episodes. In between those rough patches, if you're staying on top of your treatment, there can be long stretches where you aren't showing any symptoms at all—that's what we call remission. Honestly, sticking to your medication schedule is the absolute best way to keep those episodes from creeping back in! A new episode might feel a lot like the last one (think similar delusions or behavior shifts), but sometimes things can look a bit different too. It’s super important to catch these warning signs early—whether it's something you notice yourself or your family picks up on—so that meds can be adjusted quickly to get everything back under control.

Woke up super early today since I didn't hit the hay until 4 AM. I ended up catching one last episode of CNN before crashing. Honestly, at the party on Friday and then again yesterday, someone actually cornered me to ask about my illness, so I just laid it all out and explained it as best as I could. Regardless, I was out there dancing, singing, and jumping around like crazy! On a walk with a friend earlier, I told her I’m a bit worried about how I'll manage a 14-hour stretch at the "factory" next time, but she totally cheered me up—saying if I can handle today, I can handle anything.
Two of my close friends are pregnant right now, and I am seriously over the moon for them. One of them thinks I should give it a shot too, which aligns with my whole philosophy that if you never try, you'll never know. I told the other one that while it's true, it's a massive responsibility, and it's definitely not a requirement for me to have kids. Plus, there are medications available to regulate things since I can't take lithium, and my doctor even mentioned that getting pregnant is an option depending on the meds. For now, I'm doing great and making the most of this period before "the storm hits."
I'm just so grateful to have people around me that I love, and I know they worry about me too, even if they act all cool and pretend they don't. They show it in these tiny little ways instead. It's made me realize that life really is precious, because for me, these moments of clarity are what life is all about. Even when I'm acting a bit wild, I can still function—like, I can go to the movies and be totally normal—but nothing compares to the quality of being in remission. I've honestly grown to love my condition, or maybe "accepted" is a better word, because it's going to be with me until the end.🙂

Brian Moore2 said:For crying out loud, just read my previous posts! My discharge papers clearly stated F-22.

That’s a lot of info, thanks! I was asking because I went through a quick phase where the symptoms felt a bit different and I got an F23 diagnosis. I'm doing great now and should be able to taper off my meds in about three months, but honestly, I'm pretty nervous. I have no idea what to expect and I really don't want a repeat performance. My psychiatrist thinks it probably won't happen again, but you know how it goes...