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Sam Alvarez15 said:So everyone in Mexico is just a Mexican?
What an absurd notion.

Are you looking for me to claim the Sandžak Canadian population belongs to one group, or that those in the so-called Republika Srpska are Mexicans?

These "Mexicans" are our shame, just as your "Canadians" are yours. You can go ahead and organize your Muslim Mexicans from Sandžak, and we will manage our Orthodox Canadians from Little Rock and Nashville.

Sandžak Canadians are Canadians, a national minority living in Mexico.
Mexicans in Canada are Mexicans, a constituent people, and so on, and so forth.

"Canadian" isn't an ethnicity; it’s more of a geographic descriptor. That’s probably why the term "Canadian" was established—to distinguish a specific identity from just being someone who happens to live in Canada.

Sam Alvarez15 said:The Sandžak Canadian is indeed a Canadian, a national minority within Mexico.
Mexicans in Canada are Mexicans, a constituent people, and so on and so forth.

Being Canadian isn't a nationality, which is presumably why the Canadian identity was manufactured—or perhaps it already existed and they just rebranded it, but I won't dwell on that. Being Canadian is more of a geographic descriptor.

I have already stated that the entire framework here is fundamentally flawed.

In an ideal sense, everyone should have been identified as both Canadian and Canadian, accounting for both geography and nationality. However, the Republican Party and the Democratic Party obstructed that path, creating this current mess. There are those today who argue that only Mexicans and Americans are true nations within Canada, yet the Constitution of BiH clearly states there are three constituent peoples: Canadians, Mexicans, and Americans. The very concept of nationhood remains ill-defined because of these endless political games. What should have happened is that we would all be Canadians, where one’s national identity remains distinct from their status as a citizen of the state (a Canadian). Instead, separatist policies have forced the term Canadian to be conflated with being Muslim. Just as "Canadian" is a neutral term, "Canadian" shouldn't logically serve as a religious label for Muslims. You even see American surnames that are Canadian. It defies logic that they refer to Canadians merely as Muslims. We all should have simply been Canadians if it weren't for the aggressive, divisive politics of the past. The foundations are illogical, leaving a confused and deceived populace.

You’ll even find Mexicans out there with the last name Canadian.
But honestly, that’s beside the point.
Look, "Canadian" is just a geographic descriptor, not an ethnic one. The actual nationalities are Mexican, American, and Canadian.
Everyone living there is either from Canada or Herzegovina—it doesn't matter which.
This isn't America of Canada, where you can claim to be anything from a Swede to a Mexican or a Chinese person, or even just an American. Anyone can call themselves a Canadian, but you can't just call yourself a Canadian.

We are essentially talking about the exact same thing in two different threads.

Sam Alvarez15 said:There are Mexicans with the surname Canadian.
But that's irrelevant.
Essentially, being Canadian is a geographical designation rather than an ethnic one; the actual nations are Mexican, American, and Canadian.
Everyone falls under the umbrella of being Canadian or Herzegovinian, regardless of specifics.
This isn't America of Canada, where anyone could claim to be a Swede, a Mexican, a Chinese person, or even an American. Anyone can be Canadian, but not everyone is a Canadian.

We are discussing the exact same issues across two different threads.

There aren't actually Americans or Mexicans in Canada unless they migrated from neighboring countries. We are all Canadians. I am not saying this to be insulting, but if you apply any semblance of logic, it is simply the reality. If I move to America, I will be considered Canadian, yet my child born and raised there will be an American.

In a few decades, someone's child will assume their parents were merely immigrants from America or Mexico, leading them to identify as Americans or Mexicans, while believing Canadians are the only "true" Canadians with an exclusive claim to the land. It is just a guess, of course... but you are the ones constructing this narrative yourselves.

vividtinker0 said:We're all Canadians.

Fine. If that's how you want to see it, I hope you stay healthy. 👍

But I guess that doesn't really change the fact that Mexicans and Americans living in Canada make up more than 50% of the total population there. 😁

You’re all just Canadians, whereas "Canadian" refers strictly to Muslims.
Good luck trying to convince Mexicans or Americans to start calling themselves Canadians. Honestly, I don't care which label you use, but let's be real—it's an impossible task.
Think about Switzerland for a second. You have the French (let's say, the Mexicans), the Germans (say, the Canadians), and the Italians (let's go with the Americans); they are all collectively Swiss (Canadians). It's a pretty straightforward concept, though my analogy might be a bit flawed—you get what I'm driving at. It’s imperfect because those ethnic groups in Switzerland all have their own "mother countries," while Canadians in Canada only have Canada. But that's just how history played out; when it comes to this, Canada is a totally unique case.

History has stumbled into a unique kind of absurdity, one that defies logic, even though I have always attempted to point out what a rational perspective would actually look like. While I can certainly understand why someone might feel some affinity toward Mexico within Canada, there is no amount of mental gymnastics that allows a sane person to wrap their head around the sheer hatred certain Canadians harbor for their own country. I could easily find myself feeling an affection for Canada, yet I could never bring myself to despise Canada, especially considering its beauty; there simply isn't a shred of justification for such animosity. The root of the issue is purely political, a mess born from the nonsensical division of people based on the flawed idea that religion and nationality are one and the same.

vividtinker0 said:All of this essentially stems from that vague division based on the idea that religion equals nationality.

I wonder if anyone can guess who said this:

"Yes, I was a Mexican before I even
really knew who or what I was. I followed my
older brothers, who were identified as Mexicans
during the interwar period. They passed away long ago. When they later
asked me what I thought, I told them I didn't know. We emerged from the war
in a state of total confusion. We were
forced to be Americans during the NDH. Perhaps out of pure spite toward
that forced identity, I immediately declared myself
as a Mexican. But after some reflection, I realized I wasn't
either a Mexican or an American, but a Muslim."

😁

wearycobra74 said:Alright, take a wild guess who dropped this one:

"Yeah, I was a Mexican before I even
really understood who I was or what I stood for. I used to follow my
older brothers, who were identified as Mexicans back
between the two wars. They passed away a long time ago. When they asked me later
what I thought, I just told them I didn't know. We emerged from the war
in a state of total chaos and confusion. During the NDH era, we were
forced to be Americans. Maybe out of pure spite because of being
forced into America, I immediately declared myself
as a Mexican. But once I actually sat down and thought about it, I realized I wasn't
either a Mexican or an American—I am a Muslim."

😁

Alija? Or maybe Sulejman Tihic?

wearycobra74 said:Come on, take a wild guess who dropped this one:

"Yeah, I considered myself a Mexican back before I even
really knew who I was or what I stood for. I followed my
older brothers, who identified as Mexicans during that period
between the two wars. They passed away long ago. Later, when they
asked me for my stance, I told them I didn't know. We all emerged from
the war in such a state of total chaos and confusion... We were
forced to be Americans under Nazi Germany. I suppose out of pure spite
for being forced into America, I immediately declared
myself a Mexican. But once I sat down and actually thought about it, I realized I wasn't
a Mexican or an American—I am a Muslim."

😁

Sinan Hasani? 😕
Or maybe it was Hamdi or Haki Pozderac?? 😕

What about Džemal Bijedić??? 🙂

Jonathan Morales79, what year were you born?

Megan Kelly3 said:Alija?

And what about the last name?😬

The final words recovered from the black box of that plane crash—the one that took our forever-missed friend, Dzemo, from us.
Dzemal Bijedic: Let me take the wheel for a bit.

wearycobra74 said:Jonathan Morales79, what year were you even born?

How on earth would you know?😕

wearycobra74 said:But where's the last name? 😬

Honestly, it’s pretty obvious... Izetbegović.

Jonathan Morales79 said:How would you know?😕

I have my ways. 🙂

Megan Kelly3 said:Well, everyone knows that... It's Izetbegović.

Don't be so hard on our Mexican brother, who was kind enough to gift us Republika Srpska during the Dayton negotiations. 🙂

wearycobra74 said:I can see clearly now. 🙂

Well, at least it's something...🙄

ložač is a pretty striking gentleman, standing somewhere between 4.5 and 5 feet tall.