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The Great Zagor Temple of Compassion, Nonviolence, and Love.

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Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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joined Jul 2004
#1 ·
I’m gonna be hanging out here to share some spiritual vibes, life lessons, and whatever wisdom I pick up along the way.

Let the games begin! 😘 😉 👍 😎

Might as well treat this like a game, right? Life is basically just one big playground full of laughs and fun... plus, we might actually learn a thing or two while we're at it.

So, what should we call this little sanctuary of ours? I was thinking maybe we call it Sadh, but hey, what do you guys think? 😎
Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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#2 ·
Listen up, because I’ve got something to say. I wanted to share some wisdom with you all, and hey, maybe if someone actually gets it, it might help them out a little.

So, I was hanging out at the beach by this gorgeous lake a few days ago, just doing my usual meditative thinking, when it hit me: happiness is inside you. It sounds obvious, right? But look at how blinded everyone is by all this material stuff and the constant message being shoved down our throats: you’ll finally be happy once you own this, or buy that, or reach this goal... I was looking at how people had basically cordoned off the whole lake, claiming every little patch of land for themselves, leaving only one tiny public strip of sand where they charge you an entrance fee. Watching that greed and total nonsense... it’s wild how much energy people waste trying to chase something they think is outside of them.

But it’s just not like that. Happiness lives in me, in you, and in every single one of us. It isn’t some external thing. A person can be truly happy without owning a single damn thing—I mean, how can anyone claim to possess anything if they don't even possess themselves?
Once you realize that, you start seeing the world for what it actually is. All those chains and attachments? They just fall away.
And honestly, I just find myself saying: God, You really are fair, because everyone gets the exact same shot at being happy, whether they’re "rich" or "poor" in the eyes of the world.
Even a guy sleeping on a bench in NYC can be just as happy as the wealthiest person on the planet. Because that happiness is right here within us; it’s always been there, just waiting.

Peace, contentment, and a sense of security... they all flow through the person who realizes they don't actually need anything, and that they can be happy simply because they choose to be.

You can have anything you want
You can drift, you can dream, even walk on water
Anything you want

You can own everything you see
Sell your soul for complete control
Is that really what you need

You can lose yourself this night
see inside There is nothing to Hide Turn and faca The light
stormycobra90 stormycobra90 Member
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joined Aug 2006
#3 ·
Looks like nobody’s willing to play along with you...
I won't either... 😍 but regardless, I just wanted to point out one thing... you've managed to discover warm water... :clapping: :clapping: 😬
Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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#4 ·
I’m noticing a pattern on this board where most people just stick to the same old script: constant snark, endless bickering, and all this petty back-and-forth. Honestly? It just screams that most folks here are stuck at a pretty low level of spiritual growth.

Look, I finally figured things out for myself. Realized it on my own. I can't do the work for anyone else, obviously, but I can definitely share what I've learned. It seems like hardly anyone actually digs deep enough, and instead, everyone's out there chasing happiness in all the wrong places...
What I meant was, I wanted to share some experiences and maybe bring a little bit of clarity to this forum, which feels so bogged down by negativity, fighting, and just plain old primitive behavior.
stormycobra90 stormycobra90 Member
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#5 ·
Sandra Palmer10 said:It’s obvious most people on this forum follow the same pattern: constant snark, endless bickering, and petty infighting—all hallmarks of someone stuck at a very low level of spiritual growth.

I’ve had my own realization. I can't do it for anyone else, obviously, but I can share what I've found. It seems few people actually figure this out—most are still hunting for happiness in all the wrong places...
My intention was simply to share my experience and shed some light on this forum, which seems swallowed by negativity, arguments, and pure immaturity.

Well, now you've gone and shamed me... 😳
Not that mine was particularly snarky—I mean, look at all those emojis... 😍 👍 😉 😬
And what exactly did you "discover"? 😍
If your happiness is internal, then fine—it's within you, and as you said, it can't be found in us...
But you seem to be the one searching externally... just doing it a bit clumsily...
The whole need to "enlighten" this negativity and gloom... hmmm... you're just going in circles... saying one thing, then another, then losing your place... 😵
You're the one pointing out the negativity and the fighting... (and yet, you're still hanging around here 😲 )...
Dana Brooks3 Dana Brooks3 Active Member
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#6 ·
What makes you think this thread would be any different from the usual bickering?

From my perspective, looking through some of these discussions, it felt like you were setting up a direct challenge to Ivanov’s school of thought.
Since you claim to be an expert just like he is... people are bound to see this as a provocation.
If you already knew people would jump in to argue or try to rattle you, why go ahead and start the conversation anyway?

Just wondering...
Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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#7 ·
stormycobra90 said:you really need to clear up all this negativity and gloominess... hmm... you're just spinning in circles... one minute you're saying one thing, then something else, and before you know it, nobody knows what's what... 😵

honestly, you brought that negative vibe on yourself with that snarky comment of yours.
now you're trying to pick apart my personality and how I feel?
it's such a classic move, seen it a million times.

maybe take a look at yourself instead of worrying about me...
that’s kind of the whole point of the spiritual growth I’m talking about here: focusing on your own stuff and what's going on inside you, rather than obsessing over everyone else out there.
Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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#8 ·
Dana Brooks3 said:So, what makes you think your topic would actually be spared from all that constant bickering? Honestly, why would it be any different?

Even if some people out there would rather crawl back into the dark, the sun is still gonna shine regardless, you know? It doesn't care who it bothers.
I don't really expect most people to wrap their heads around the high-level mysticism and spiritual stuff I'm out here sharing so freely. But honestly? It’s not like I can force it even if I wanted to. You can't teach a blind man how to see until he finally opens his own eyes and sees it for himself, right?
So, from here on out, I’m just done. I’m not even going to bother responding to any more of that primitive nonsense. Honestly, I’ll probably barely react to those "intellectual" little jabs, either. Why bother? Because Sandra Palmer10 has completely outclassed them all. She’s moved way beyond using pure intellect anyway—that whole thing is such a limited tool when you're actually trying to focus on spiritual growth, don't you think?

Honestly, from where I’m sitting and just scanning through some of these threads, it kind of felt like this whole thing was being set up just to take a swing at Ivanov's school. You know? Like, was that the actual goal here?
So you’re calling yourself a master too, just like him? Well, honestly, you can’t really blame anyone for seeing that as a total provocation.

There’s really no point in arguing, because honestly, it’s all just one big mess. Besides, Ivanov’s "school" is right where it needs to be—perfectly positioned for the people who actually need it and just can't seem to figure things out on their own.
So, I call myself a "Grandmaster." Honestly? It’s just my way of poking fun at all those self-proclaimed spiritual gurus and those endless, ridiculous titles people love to throw around. You know the type—people who act like they're on some higher plane of existence, creating these massive, invisible walls between themselves and everyone else without even realizing they're doing it. It's just my little way of keeping things grounded, you know? Keeping it real.
So, think about it... if someone finally lets everything go—if they actually walk away from it all and realize they don't even truly own themselves anymore—can they really be expected to tie themselves down to some fancy title or a label? I mean, how does that even work?

So, if you already knew people were gonna jump in just to argue with you or start throwing shade again... why'd you go ahead and open it anyway?

Just asking.

Honestly, I don't really care if someone wants to stir the pot. It doesn't bother me one bit. People want to throw shade or start some drama? Let 'em. It’s all good.
You honestly couldn't wrap your head around it. I mean, I see things exactly for what they are, so I’ve reached this point where I’m just completely indifferent to the whole thing. It doesn't move me. But you know who it messes with? The people actually using it, the ones tied up in all that mess. That's where the real friction is.
Look, everyone just does what they can, you know? It is what it is.
I mean, really... why would I even get worked up at an ant that can't fly? What's the point in being mad at something like that?
Everyone just does what they can, right? It’s like, you give what you've got. But honestly? You just don't see the results. Where's the payoff?
Dana Brooks3 Dana Brooks3 Active Member
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joined Jul 2006
#9 ·
look at yourself. leave me out of it...
That’s actually the core of the spiritual growth I’m talking about: focusing on your own soul and what's happening inside you, rather than obsessing over everyone else...

But people are constantly fixated on one another. No one gets a pass—not you, not me, nobody. We have to engage enough just to understand what someone is trying to say. From there, it isn't a huge leap to start getting caught up in them. It happens way too often.

Maybe through better communication, we could practice making those distractions happen less frequently...

As for focusing strictly and exclusively on my inner self? I don't know... I'd probably need to head out to the Rockies, somewhere totally isolated, just to meditate on a rock.

Given how much this world has rubbed off on me, I’d likely end up naming the pebbles and imagining they were people, talking to them and arguing with them... who knows...😬
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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joined Sep 2006
#10 ·
Sandra Palmer10 said:Look at yourself. Leave me out of it...
That’s actually the whole point of the spiritual growth I’m talking about: focusing on your own soul and what's happening inside you, instead of obsessing over other people or external stuff.

Maybe just follow your own advice. 👍
Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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#11 ·
Dana Brooks3 said:But everyone is constantly obsessing over one another. You aren't exempt, I'm not exempt, nobody is. We have to engage just enough to actually understand what someone is trying to say. From there, it’s a tiny leap to "obsessing" over them. We mess that up way too often.

There's a difference between analyzing someone's personality or psychoanalyzing them—which doesn't bother me personally, it just makes the conversation useless—and the other thing, which is sticking to your own guns and comparing your view to "others," like the majority, society, the public, some group, whatever...

That’s just how people work. It's like how everyone acts so tough behind the wheel of their truck, swearing and flipping people off, but once they step out of the car, they can't even whisper a word.

Example: Obviously, dealing directly with others while neglecting yourself is just the reality for most people.

So, I haven't actually been targeting anyone specifically, especially not by digging into their persona or anything. That's just an observation, not "dealing with others" in the traditional sense.

To focus strictly and exclusively on myself? I don't know... I’d probably have to head out to some mountain range, somewhere totally off the grid, and just meditate on a rock.

Honestly, with how much this world has messed me up, I’d probably end up naming the pebbles and tripping out, thinking they were people, talking to them and arguing with them... who knows.😬

Wherever you go, there you are!
I can't escape myself.
I don't need some mountain retreat or anything else to realize that everything is already inside me, and that I can be happy and full of joy whenever I decide to be.
The whole point is that I can be happy right this second if I just want to. That realization is huge, such a sense of freedom. But hey, I'll get into the weeds on that later.
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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joined Dec 2002
#12 ·
Sandra Palmer10 said:that’s actually the whole point of the spiritual growth I’m talking about: focusing on yourself and what's happening inside you, rather than obsessing over everyone else or things outside your control.

So, if you're supposedly all about "inner work" and looking inward, why are you here on this forum picking on OTHER people? Just pointing out (in your opinion) THEIR flaws... blah blah blah... 🤣
How can anyone take you seriously when your actions don't match your words? 😁
Just some wannabe Jesus showing up to save the world, only to have everyone laugh at him... it's honestly kind of sad. 😁
The other day, I was hanging out by the shore of this gorgeous lake, just sitting there doing my usual meditative thinking, and it hit me: happiness comes from within.

And yeah, I've been agreeing with that sentiment for years now. 🙂
Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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#13 ·
Jack Harris3 said:So because you're all focused on your own inner journey, you decided to come to this forum to lecture OTHERS and point out (in your opinion) THEIR flaws... blah blah blah...? 🤣
How can anyone take you seriously when your actions don't match your words? 😁
Some wannabe Jesus showing up to save the world, only to have everyone laugh at him... honestly, it's tragic. 😁

SOMEONE WHO HAS TRULY FOUND THEMSELVES CAN ENGAGE WITH "OTHERS" BECAUSE THEY SEE THE SAME TRUTH IN EVERYTHING.

Every living thing hits a crossroads when they reach a peak in their spiritual growth or mystical awakening. On one hand, you realize nobody’s gonna get you—because you can't teach a blind man how to see, right? But on the other hand, compassion nudges you to try and share what you've found anyway.

If true happiness is found "within," then why is it that "you" and so many "other" meat-eaters still kill animals just to satisfy a craving?

Look, folks, it doesn't feel like I'm just reinventing the wheel here, because there's a massive gap between "knowing" something and actually living it. Most people couldn't fly a Boeing 747 even if they knew exactly how to do it. It's about realization—that's what's missing. That's what you guys, my dear students of the Maestro Sandra Palmer10's temple of compassion, love, and non-violence—which, by the way, I'm officially naming SADHU via unanimous vote starting today—really need to work on.
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#14 ·
Sandra Palmer10 said: Execution... that’s the one thing you guys are all missing my dear students of the Maestro’s temple of compassion, love, and non-violence—which, by unanimous vote starting today, I am officially renaming SADHU.


Oh, right. Well, I actually completely agree with you there... My "life theory" is pretty much flawless on paper, but when it comes down to actually living it out in the real world, I often find myself failing to pull it off...

I'm actually ready to hear some of your real-world experiences and actual advice for once. Up until now, you've dropped plenty of hints here and there, but somehow the conversation always ends up spiraling into these pointless little verbal sparring matches instead...

So, let's start with this: tell me how someone actually becomes patient and learns how to just be an observer... assuming you've actually mastered that in practice, because theoretically, I already know the drill...
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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#15 ·
Sandra Palmer10 said:WHEN YOU FINALLY DISCOVER WHO YOU REALLY ARE, TAKING CARE OF "OTHERS" BECOMES EASY BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU DO COMES FROM THAT ONE SINGLE SOURCE.

Maestro! 😱 🤣
...compassion is what guides them...

I wouldn't say it's talking to you, though... You're still hearing those bombs go off... 😉
Just let it go. You can't stop everyone else from hearing them too.
Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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#16 ·
rustymaker5 said:To start off, tell me how to actually become patient and learn how to just be an observer. I mean, if you've actually mastered this in real life, because theoretically, I get the concept.

Honestly? People are already patient if they truly want to be. It’s not something you "become." Most people aren't patient because they're caught in this massive web of attachments, and then they spend all their energy struggling to break free. You have to first realize just how tied up you really are—that's where the suffering comes from.

Think about someone who voluntarily puts on shackles and walks straight into slavery. We all do that, really. Most folks don't even realize it because they've been stuck in the web for ages. So, the realization has to come first. Once you see it, there's this logical, meditative process where you finally grasp what the true state of things is, and you start trying to sever those ties—or at least loosen the grip—so you can take the reins back.

That's it for now. Take a look at this little info piece I wrote with some different tips and thoughts.
As for the whole "observer" thing, it's pretty much the same deal: you gotta practice expanding and waking up your awareness through conscious action. Regarding consciousness itself—the whole liberation-awakening-expansion bit—I went into quite a bit of detail in that link above. There are plenty of ways and methods out there, but most people just don't want to put in the heavy lifting... If you aren't willing to put anything in, you aren't going to get anything out.
Jason Johnson4 Jason Johnson4 Active Member
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#17 ·
Sandra Palmer10, maybe do a little "deep dive" into the whole concept of free will 😉

You might find that others—and honestly, even you yourself—start calling you a 😉 Maestro 😬

🙂 🙂 🙂
Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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#18 ·
Jason Johnson4 said:🙂 🙂 🙂

Maestro Sandra Palmer10 is just meeting those crude little jabs with total silence.
Look, when a snake hisses at you, you don't hiss back, right? So why on earth would I bother responding to you any differently?
😎
Jason Johnson4 Jason Johnson4 Active Member
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#19 ·
That silence of yours is doing just fine 🤣
Sandra Palmer10 Sandra Palmer10 MemberOP
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#20 ·
Today's lesson is all about this: the total lack of reasoning in modern society.

Most people just don't want to reason. They aren't interested in actual logic or having a chill conversation without all that primitive back-and-forth and petty sniping.

Just take a look at the people around you. What do you actually see? Constant bickering, fighting, stress, tension, and anxiety. People can't seem to reason or talk things out calmly without being hijacked by massive emotional outbursts. I mean, what can you even expect from folks who spend their days being violent and creating misery for everyone else—including themselves?

It’s because most people aren't even aware they're acting on pure instinct. They don't know any better, while the few who *do* realize it end up caught in this web that's incredibly hard to break free from. That's why people lash out at anyone who manages to escape the net and realizes the whole thing is a sham. Violence is baked into every single pore of our society. We're even selling tanks and guns to kids, feeding them video games filled with nothing but slaughter and bloodshed, and then we turn on the TV to find shows, series, and movies packed with nothing but primitivism, violence, and emptiness.
The arming of the world never stops, neither does the pollution, the control, or the brainwashing... Everyone is just playing their part, totally lost in the role they've been assigned. Honestly, us adults are just kids playing much more dangerous games.
So, where does that leave us? The simple truth is that it’s rare to find anyone you can actually reason with without it turning into a shouting match or a fight. It’s even harder online, or with those people yelling insults from their cars. You have to realize that the primitives get emboldened by it. People are starting to look like scavengers, just circling each other and tearing each other apart.
When will we finally get it? When will we realize we're all one, and that whatever you do to someone else, you're automatically doing to yourself?

The great Sandra Palmer10 actually uses reason. Those primitive little arguments are foreign to her. How many times does she have to repeat this on this forum?

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