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redranger2 redranger2 Active Member
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#5361 ·
Look, when it comes to medication, let’s be realistic: there isn't a single pill on the market that doesn't come with a side effect. When you start taking something, you have to accept that there's always going to be a trade-off.
You start reading through the list of side effects for antibiotics—something like Azithromycin—and you begin to wonder if you'll even be functional enough to make it through the week.
It’s a lethal mistake to make. One wrong move with that stuff and you're dead.😂 Whether we are talking about basic Ibuprofen, simple nasal sprays, or standard allergy pills, pharmaceutical giants have to insulate themselves against potential patient lawsuits by listing every conceivable side effect imaginable.

I find myself grappling with that same deep-seated dread regarding medication; every single time I attempt to face it, I end up losing my nerve completely.
Whenever I find myself facing the prospect of starting a new prescription, that familiar dread regarding potential side effects begins to settle in. It’s an exhausting cycle of anxiety. Yet, the moment I consider what life would actually feel like without any chemical assistance at all, the fear shifts entirely.
I would much rather take my chances with medication than face the prospect of returning to that living hell.😉
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#5362 ·
Smart psychiatrists generally steer clear of the heavy-duty stuff—you know, things like Loris, Xanax, Clonazepam, and all that junk—because they actually realize how easy it is to get hooked. They really only reach for those prescriptions when things are truly hitting the fan. Honestly, when I was trying to kick my Loris habit, I thought my brain was actually going to melt—I was dealing with these massive waves of panic attacks basically every hour on the hour.
redranger2 redranger2 Active Member
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#5363 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Smart psychiatrists generally steer clear of the heavy-duty stuff—you know, things like Loris, Xanax, Clonazepam, and all that junk—because they actually realize how easy it is to get hooked. They really only reach for those prescriptions when things are truly hitting the fan. Honestly, when I was trying to kick my Loris habit, I thought my brain was actually going to melt—I was dealing with these massive waves of panic attacks basically every hour on the hour.

Brave! My doctor takes the exact same stance, refusing to hand out anything like Salvatore, Ambien, or Zane for insomnia, and he remains staunchly opposed to all anxiolytics.
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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#5364 ·
So far, tapering off the Lexapro is going pretty smooth for me. Honestly? Zero issues, nothing at all.👋
Steven Martin13 Steven Martin13 Member
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#5365 ·
Brandon Lopez6 said:So far, tapering off the Lexapro is going pretty smooth for me. Honestly? Zero issues, nothing at all.👋

The first time I ever went through a "withdrawal"—tapering off Xanax after six months (on 0.25mg three times a day)—I didn't really feel much of anything. I just stopped, and to make matters worse, I ended up drinking quite heavily that same night (I was young and, frankly, pretty foolish back then).

I have to admit, though, reading through all those various articles online actually ended up making things harder for me—it kind of pushed me to the mental state I'm in now.

David Vaughn75 said:Smart psychiatrists generally steer clear of the heavy-duty stuff—you know, things like Loris, Xanax, Clonazepam, and all that junk—because they actually realize how easy it is to get hooked. They really only reach for those prescriptions when things are truly hitting the fan. Honestly, when I was trying to kick my Loris habit, I thought my brain was actually going to melt—I was dealing with these massive waves of panic attacks basically every hour on the hour.

Exactly—it's easy to say that when you're having a decent day, but when you're in the middle of a full-blown crisis, you'd take almost any poison just to feel normal again.

From what I've gathered by doing some digging, APs seem to be much better in smaller doses compared to anxiolytics—basically, they aren't nearly as damaging.
Timothy Wood38 Timothy Wood38 Active Member
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#5366 ·
Steven Martin13 said:The first time I ever went through a "withdrawal"—tapering off Xanax after six months (on 0.25mg three times a day)—I didn't really feel much of anything. I just stopped, and to make matters worse, I ended up drinking quite heavily that same night (I was young and, frankly, pretty foolish back then).

I have to admit, though, reading through all those various articles online actually ended up making things harder for me—it kind of pushed me to the mental state I'm in now.

Exactly—it's easy to say that when you're having a decent day, but when you're in the middle of a full-blown crisis, you'd take almost any poison just to feel normal again.

From what I've gathered by doing some digging, APs seem to be much better in smaller doses compared to anxiolytics—basically, they aren't nearly as damaging.

Oh, sure... because that's how it always works...
Gerald Torres2 Gerald Torres2 Active Member
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#5367 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Smart psychiatrists generally steer clear of the heavy-duty stuff—you know, things like Loris, Xanax, Clonazepam, and all that junk—because they actually realize how easy it is to get hooked. They really only reach for those prescriptions when things are truly hitting the fan. Honestly, when I was trying to kick my Loris habit, I thought my brain was actually going to melt—I was dealing with these massive waves of panic attacks basically every hour on the hour.

How long were you on them, and what kind of dosage are we talking about?
David Bishop4 David Bishop4 Active Member
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#5368 ·
I definitely hear what everyone is saying regarding how easy it is to develop a dependency on anxiolytics, but I truly believe it all comes down to the duration of use and the specific dosage involved. It isn't a one-size-fits-all situation either; everyone reacts differently. For instance, my father used to take multiple doses of benzodiazepines every single day for years because he never actually transitioned to an antidepressant, yet when he finally decided he had had enough and stopped, he didn't experience any major issues. At the end of the day, it really just depends on the individual.
David Bishop4 David Bishop4 Active Member
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#5369 ·
Brandon Lopez6 said:So far, tapering off the Lexapro is going pretty smooth for me. Honestly? Zero issues, nothing at all.👋

awesome !!! Are you using Xanax to help manage things, or have you found you don't really need it?
Gerald Torres2 Gerald Torres2 Active Member
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#5370 ·
David Bishop4 said:I definitely hear what everyone is saying regarding how easy it is to develop a dependency on anxiolytics, but I truly believe it all comes down to the duration of use and the specific dosage involved. It isn't a one-size-fits-all situation either; everyone reacts differently. For instance, my father used to take multiple doses of benzodiazepines every single day for years because he never actually transitioned to an antidepressant, yet when he finally decided he had had enough and stopped, he didn't experience any major issues. At the end of the day, it really just depends on the individual.

Exactly. My therapist actually told me that about a third of people don't end up addicted to xanax; they can just stop taking it without any withdrawal symptoms at all. And mind you, xanax is arguably the most addictive drug among anxiolytics!!! So, it’s highly individual, and it also matters whether you quit cold turkey or taper off gradually.
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#5371 ·
Gerald Torres2 said:How long were you on them, and what kind of dosage are we talking about?

I was taking Lorsilan 2 for about two months—twice a day at 2.5mg each time.
David Bishop4 David Bishop4 Active Member
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#5372 ·
Gerald Torres2 said:Exactly. My therapist actually told me that about a third of people don't end up addicted to xanax; they can just stop taking it without any withdrawal symptoms at all. And mind you, xanax is arguably the most addictive drug among anxiolytics!!! So, it’s highly individual, and it also matters whether you quit cold turkey or taper off gradually.

That is precisely the point. I find myself in complete agreement with you on this.
Gerald Torres2 Gerald Torres2 Active Member
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#5373 ·
David Vaughn75 said:I was taking Lorsilan 2 for about two months—twice a day at 2.5mg each time.

I'm not actually familiar with what kind of anxiolytic that is, so I can't really weigh in here... how did you go about tapering off? Did you do it gradually or what?
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#5374 ·
Gerald Torres2 said:I'm not actually familiar with what kind of anxiolytic that is, so I can't really weigh in here... how did you go about tapering off? Did you do it gradually or what?

Yeah, it was gradual. Honestly, most of the tapering process was totally manageable—I could handle it—but when she dropped me from half a pill straight down to zero, man, I just completely lost it.
Gerald Torres2 Gerald Torres2 Active Member
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#5375 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Yeah, it was gradual. Honestly, most of the tapering process was totally manageable—I could handle it—but when she dropped me from half a pill straight down to zero, man, I just completely lost it.

Exactly. Why on earth wouldn't you just taper by a quarter? It’s a shame nobody thinks to try that approach...🤷
I went through this myself, tapering off a dose I had been taking at 2 mg a day for three months. Honestly, it was pure misery, but I managed to go cold turkey eventually. I spent two full weeks stuck in bed.🙂
Steven Martin13 Steven Martin13 Member
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#5376 ·
Timothy Wood38 said:Oh, sure... because that's how it always works...

Go ahead—lay out your case. 🙂I'm all ears if you've actually got some logic to back that up.
Timothy Wood38 Timothy Wood38 Active Member
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#5377 ·
Steven Martin13 said:Go ahead—lay out your case. 🙂I'm all ears if you've actually got some logic to back that up.

Look, there's plenty of data out there showing that we don't actually have a complete grasp on how antipsychotics function deep down—which is why they almost always land on those lists of the most dangerous drugs available. On the flip side, benzodiazepines have been studied extensively; they tend to be more practical tools with a much more manageable side-effect profile, making them some of the most useful meds in the kit. Now, I realize that when you're dealing with psychotropic drugs, everything is incredibly individual, so I try my best not to paint with too broad a brush. And honestly? I’d rather skip the debate on how to actually administer either class... most American psychiatrists can't even agree on a standard protocol, and everyone seems to have their own little set of preferences anyway.
Justin Rogers5 Justin Rogers5 Active Member
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#5378 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Yeah, it was gradual. Honestly, most of the tapering process was totally manageable—I could handle it—but when she dropped me from half a pill straight down to zero, man, I just completely lost it.

What do you mean, hit a wall?
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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#5379 ·
David Bishop4 said:awesome !!! Are you using Xanax to help manage things, or have you found you don't really need it?

Honestly, I'm hooked on Helix, unfortunately, so I'm still taking it. I've managed to scale back to just 4mg of 0.25 a day, though. I did go higher for a while—just needed to get used to the pills—but I haven't spiraled back up since.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#5380 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Smart psychiatrists generally steer clear of the heavy-duty stuff—you know, things like Loris, Xanax, Clonazepam, and all that junk—because they actually realize how easy it is to get hooked. They really only reach for those prescriptions when things are truly hitting the fan. Honestly, when I was trying to kick my Loris habit, I thought my brain was actually going to melt—I was dealing with these massive waves of panic attacks basically every hour on the hour.

I have to say, I couldn't disagree more. Are we suggesting that "smart" doctors are those who prefer to manage patients with heavy-duty antipsychotics instead? And let’s be honest, tapering off antidepressants isn't exactly a walk in the park either—or at least, that’s the consensus, even if I can't speak to it personally. For my part, I take Xanax, topping out at 1.5 mg and usually hovering around 1.25 mg, which doesn't strike me as some catastrophic dosage. Honestly, it keeps me feeling steady enough.

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