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Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
488 messages
joined Jul 2012
#6361 ·
Has anyone here actually ventured into the territory of COAXILOM? I’ve been scouring every corner of the internet and various medical forums, and I’ve reached the distinct impression that this particular option is quite effective for managing anxiety without piling on a mountain of side effects. My only hesitation—and it’s a nagging one—is the fact that you have to supplement it with $16... if anyone out there has navigated this specific regimen, please, do reach out and share your experience.
Chris Kim7 Chris Kim7 Active Member
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joined Jul 2013
#6362 ·
unknown...
I don't know what to tell you about that ultraoptimism thing... people just seem to think everything is going to be fine when it clearly isn't... says:
I've been on 15mg of Mirtazapine or that unknown stuff for about four and a half years now... It's what pulled me out of that deep depression I was dealing with back in early 2010... I used to struggle with having zero drive, feeling completely lifeless, and losing my appetite altogether... I’ve cycled through a thousand different meds before finding this one... As far as sleep goes, if I take it an hour before bed, it hits me hard and knocks me right out. I don't know what kind of dosage you're on, but you could probably bump up the milligrams a bit to get that extra sedative effect. It definitely kicked my appetite into gear, too. For me, it started working almost immediately, though I did deal with some nasty headaches when I tried stepping up to 30mg, so I dropped back down to 15mg... Anyway, just talk to your doctor about upping the dose. You could even pair it with a little Norvasc to help settle things down, though Mirtazapine is already pretty heavy on the sedation and calming side. I wake up feeling totally normal in the morning without any lingering effects during the day, but honestly, I wouldn't touch those extended-release versions because they just leave you feeling groggy all day long...
I'm gonna keep bothering you for a bit... 😁 If you feel like it, please just answer...

Ever struggle with insomnia too...

I wonder if that hypnotic, sedative effect from unknown eventually starts to wear off over time...
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
488 messages
joined Jul 2012
#6363 ·
unknown:
The sheer granularity of measurement—this obsession with the milligram—is enough to make one question the very foundations of modern pharmacology. We exist in this strange, clinical reality where our entire sense of stability, our very ability to function within the gears of society, hinges upon such an infinitesimal fraction of a gram. It is a heavy burden to carry, isn't it? To realize that the thin line between a productive afternoon and a total psychological collapse is measured out in tiny, white specks that most people couldn't even see without a magnifying glass. One minute you are navigating the complexities of life, and the next, you are desperately recalibrating your existence based on whether you took a slightly larger or smaller dose of your prescribed regimen. It’s a delicate, almost absurd dance with chemistry. As if I haven't heard this all before. It’s the same old song, isn't it? A repetitive cycle of predictable patterns that people mistake for profound insight. Honestly, listening to these arguments feels like watching a rerun of a low-budget sitcom where the punchlines were stale even during the first season. You sit there, waiting for a shred of originality or a moment of genuine nuance, only to be met with the same tired rhetoric that’s been circling the drain for years. It’s exhausting, really—this constant need to repackage the obvious as if it were some groundbreaking revelation. One would think that after all this time, we might have evolved past such rudimentary observations, but apparently, we are all just content to tread water in the same shallow pool of thought.
I have been staying consistent with my Effexor regimen, and I must say, it has been incredibly effective in stabilizing my baseline. On top of that, my doctor introduced me to Seroquel, which has proven to be an exceptionally potent tool in my recovery toolkit—truly a remarkable medication. However, there is one persistent, rather vexing side effect that seems to follow me everywhere: I am perpetually, insatiably hungry. It feels as though my appetite has been dialed up to an unnatural level, leaving me in a constant state of searching for the next meal.😁
The most vital detail to establish is that my primary regimen consists of Xanax—formerly known under the old branding—which has now transitioned to a daily dosage of 30mg of Normabel.
I find myself compelled to reiterate my conviction regarding this matter: Diazepam truly is an exceptional option, standing in stark contrast to Alprazolam, which I am convinced acts as nothing short of a corrosive agent upon one's cognitive faculties.
Xanax destroys the brain while Normabrel saves it? Oh, give me a break. Honestly, I feel like I could read anything on this forum at this point. It’s an endless, exhausting cycle where one person tears another down only to be torn down themselves immediately after. I’ve already slogged through 170 pages of these discussions, and it all just circles back to the same repetitive arguments. And yet, despite all this intense debate, I haven't read a single success story about someone actually being cured. The reality is much bleaker: all these medications are essentially wrecking our neurological wiring, but if we can't function without them, we're stuck taking them. You people act like there's a magic bullet, but you start praising Normabrel like it's some kind of miracle cure, and frankly, it does absolutely nothing for me. It felt as though I hadn't even swallowed a pill at all. After struggling with it for just a few days, I gave up on it entirely. Please, stop suggesting what works for you as if it’s gospel; these drugs don't affect everyone in the same way, and pretending otherwise is just plain foolish.
Gerald Torres2 Gerald Torres2 Active Member
192 messages
joined Feb 2013
#6364 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:unknown:
The sheer granularity of measurement—this obsession with the milligram—is enough to make one question the very foundations of modern pharmacology. We exist in this strange, clinical reality where our entire sense of stability, our very ability to function within the gears of society, hinges upon such an infinitesimal fraction of a gram. It is a heavy burden to carry, isn't it? To realize that the thin line between a productive afternoon and a total psychological collapse is measured out in tiny, white specks that most people couldn't even see without a magnifying glass. One minute you are navigating the complexities of life, and the next, you are desperately recalibrating your existence based on whether you took a slightly larger or smaller dose of your prescribed regimen. It’s a delicate, almost absurd dance with chemistry. As if I haven't heard this all before. It’s the same old song, isn't it? A repetitive cycle of predictable patterns that people mistake for profound insight. Honestly, listening to these arguments feels like watching a rerun of a low-budget sitcom where the punchlines were stale even during the first season. You sit there, waiting for a shred of originality or a moment of genuine nuance, only to be met with the same tired rhetoric that’s been circling the drain for years. It’s exhausting, really—this constant need to repackage the obvious as if it were some groundbreaking revelation. One would think that after all this time, we might have evolved past such rudimentary observations, but apparently, we are all just content to tread water in the same shallow pool of thought.
I have been staying consistent with my Effexor regimen, and I must say, it has been incredibly effective in stabilizing my baseline. On top of that, my doctor introduced me to Seroquel, which has proven to be an exceptionally potent tool in my recovery toolkit—truly a remarkable medication. However, there is one persistent, rather vexing side effect that seems to follow me everywhere: I am perpetually, insatiably hungry. It feels as though my appetite has been dialed up to an unnatural level, leaving me in a constant state of searching for the next meal.😁
The most vital detail to establish is that my primary regimen consists of Xanax—formerly known under the old branding—which has now transitioned to a daily dosage of 30mg of Normabel.
I find myself compelled to reiterate my conviction regarding this matter: Diazepam truly is an exceptional option, standing in stark contrast to Alprazolam, which I am convinced acts as nothing short of a corrosive agent upon one's cognitive faculties.
Xanax destroys the brain while Normabrel saves it? Oh, give me a break. Honestly, I feel like I could read anything on this forum at this point. It’s an endless, exhausting cycle where one person tears another down only to be torn down themselves immediately after. I’ve already slogged through 170 pages of these discussions, and it all just circles back to the same repetitive arguments. And yet, despite all this intense debate, I haven't read a single success story about someone actually being cured. The reality is much bleaker: all these medications are essentially wrecking our neurological wiring, but if we can't function without them, we're stuck taking them. You people act like there's a magic bullet, but you start praising Normabrel like it's some kind of miracle cure, and frankly, it does absolutely nothing for me. It felt as though I hadn't even swallowed a pill at all. After struggling with it for just a few days, I gave up on it entirely. Please, stop suggesting what works for you as if it’s gospel; these drugs don't affect everyone in the same way, and pretending otherwise is just plain foolish.

I’m with you on this. See? For me, Normabrel worked the very first time I tried it, and then never again. It felt like I’d need to double my dose every single time just to feel a bit of calm. With Xanax, the standard dose always does the job perfectly fine—same goes for Valium. Personally, I'd much rather stick to one of those than mess with Normabrel. Everyone reacts differently. ☕
Paul Newman5 Paul Newman5 Regular
251 messages
joined Oct 2012
#6365 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:unknown:
The sheer granularity of measurement—this obsession with the milligram—is enough to make one question the very foundations of modern pharmacology. We exist in this strange, clinical reality where our entire sense of stability, our very ability to function within the gears of society, hinges upon such an infinitesimal fraction of a gram. It is a heavy burden to carry, isn't it? To realize that the thin line between a productive afternoon and a total psychological collapse is measured out in tiny, white specks that most people couldn't even see without a magnifying glass. One minute you are navigating the complexities of life, and the next, you are desperately recalibrating your existence based on whether you took a slightly larger or smaller dose of your prescribed regimen. It’s a delicate, almost absurd dance with chemistry. As if I haven't heard this all before. It’s the same old song, isn't it? A repetitive cycle of predictable patterns that people mistake for profound insight. Honestly, listening to these arguments feels like watching a rerun of a low-budget sitcom where the punchlines were stale even during the first season. You sit there, waiting for a shred of originality or a moment of genuine nuance, only to be met with the same tired rhetoric that’s been circling the drain for years. It’s exhausting, really—this constant need to repackage the obvious as if it were some groundbreaking revelation. One would think that after all this time, we might have evolved past such rudimentary observations, but apparently, we are all just content to tread water in the same shallow pool of thought.
I have been staying consistent with my Effexor regimen, and I must say, it has been incredibly effective in stabilizing my baseline. On top of that, my doctor introduced me to Seroquel, which has proven to be an exceptionally potent tool in my recovery toolkit—truly a remarkable medication. However, there is one persistent, rather vexing side effect that seems to follow me everywhere: I am perpetually, insatiably hungry. It feels as though my appetite has been dialed up to an unnatural level, leaving me in a constant state of searching for the next meal.😁
The most vital detail to establish is that my primary regimen consists of Xanax—formerly known under the old branding—which has now transitioned to a daily dosage of 30mg of Normabel.
I find myself compelled to reiterate my conviction regarding this matter: Diazepam truly is an exceptional option, standing in stark contrast to Alprazolam, which I am convinced acts as nothing short of a corrosive agent upon one's cognitive faculties.
Xanax destroys the brain while Normabrel saves it? Oh, give me a break. Honestly, I feel like I could read anything on this forum at this point. It’s an endless, exhausting cycle where one person tears another down only to be torn down themselves immediately after. I’ve already slogged through 170 pages of these discussions, and it all just circles back to the same repetitive arguments. And yet, despite all this intense debate, I haven't read a single success story about someone actually being cured. The reality is much bleaker: all these medications are essentially wrecking our neurological wiring, but if we can't function without them, we're stuck taking them. You people act like there's a magic bullet, but you start praising Normabrel like it's some kind of miracle cure, and frankly, it does absolutely nothing for me. It felt as though I hadn't even swallowed a pill at all. After struggling with it for just a few days, I gave up on it entirely. Please, stop suggesting what works for you as if it’s gospel; these drugs don't affect everyone in the same way, and pretending otherwise is just plain foolish.

I'm with you on this. Not trying to argue about what works for whom, but there's an old saying: "out of the frying pan, into the fire." It all messes with your head and you end up hooked on something. Ideally, we wouldn't need any of it, but when life happens, we take the pills. I started out on Normabrel too, but it did nothing for my anxiety. Personally, Lexapro is the best for killing the fear, but my doctors insisted on Ativan, so I dropped the Lexapro and just take Ativan now, though I still use Lexapro to sleep. Everything is individual. The fact remains: you get addicted to whatever it is, whether it's Normabrel or Ativan. Maybe it's easier to get off Normabrel, but who knows.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
425 messages
joined May 2013
#6366 ·
I simply cannot help but wonder... what exactly is the purpose of all this? Is there a reason we find ourselves here, drifting through these digital corridors? I find myself reflecting on things quite often—perhaps too often. It is a heavy thing, isn't it? To carry these thoughts around without a destination. One moment you are focused, and the next, everything just feels... scattered. Fragmented. Does anyone else feel that? That sense of being pulled in a dozen different directions at once? I suppose I am just rambling now. My apologies. I truly meant to be more concise, but the mind wanders. It wanders so much. kaže:
Perhaps transitioning off Normatel would be a smoother process? I can't say for certain, though. Is it actually easier? Who truly knows? One wonders if the transition might be less turbulent than other alternatives... but then again, that remains an open question.

Not quite.😢
Kevin Bailey2 Kevin Bailey2 Regular
265 messages
joined Jul 2012
#6367 ·
When it comes to tapering off benzos (in my case, Xanax)... I once had this total fixation. After being on the max dose of Xanax for months, I just decided I was done with all the meds. I went rogue and—stupidly enough—flushed everything down the toilet just so I wouldn't be tempted to take more.

Withdrawal...
Day one... alright, maybe there was still enough concentration in my blood to function somewhat, but by evening, sleep was out of the question.
Day two... the shakes and aches started kicking in. Sleep? Not happening.
Day three... I’m just lying in bed, twitching my leg muscles because they feel so incredibly restless. The pain is everywhere, from my head down. It felt like a massive flu, except even a box of Advil didn't touch it.
Day four... my vision is blurring... I lost at least 50% of my sight. My limbs literally feel like they're giving out. I scramble to the ER at a major hospital and tell them exactly what I did. They hook me up to an IV with Xanax mixed in just to stabilize me, then write me a new prescription to pick up at the pharmacy later. That night, I go back on the Xanax per the doctor's orders.

It took me a few more days to recover from that withdrawal crash, even though I stayed on the same Xanax dosage I was on before.

Total disaster.

I honestly don't know how people survive heroin withdrawal or why people quit heroin so abruptly (I mean when people actually *want* to be clean, not when they're just using Exelon as a substitute for heroin)... but with anxiolytics, you have to taper for months. You go from three pills to two and a half... then eventually two and a half to two... then one and a half... and so on. This can drag on for months. From what I've heard, the physical withdrawal from heavy drugs lasts about a week.

The truth is... what we're taking is clearly a much stronger, heavier drug than damn heroin.

So now I'm wondering... is it actually possible to get off anxiolytics quickly, like within a week, and somehow endure the pain? Like, following the heroin model. You lock yourself in a room for a week and just suffer through it.

Is that too dangerous?

I've detailed how far I got by day four... but would things have just gotten even worse by day five?
I'm not sure.
I genuinely thought I was going to die. That's why I bolted to the ER.
Can the body even handle a sudden withdrawal crisis like that?
Kevin Bailey2 Kevin Bailey2 Regular
265 messages
joined Jul 2012
#6368 ·
redcrane22 said:I was wondering if anyone could help me out here...

A buddy of mine who works on merchant ships has been taking 5 mg doses of Valium, but now he’s thinking about switching over to Prazosin instead. His logic is that Valium stays in your system for such a long time that it might show up on his urine screen when he goes in for his medical clearance to get back on the ship. He wants to avoid any unnecessary headaches during those pre-employment physicals.
Are there specific tests they run for diazepam and other types of pills?
From what I understand, the standard drug screens usually focus on things like marijuana, cocaine, amphetamines, methadone, heroin, and suboxone...

I'm not sure about diazepam, but I think taking Prozac can sometimes trigger a false positive for THC on a urine test.

Did I read that somewhere or am I just dreaming? Honestly, who knows. 😁
Chris Kim7 Chris Kim7 Active Member
56 messages
joined Jul 2013
#6369 ·
How much Xanax are you on? I’m taking 1 mg before bed and I'm planning to get off it... I tried tapering down before, which didn't really work, though I managed to get myself down to 0.25 mg gradually without too much trouble, but then everything just stalled because the insomnia was absolutely killing me, and Ativan wasn't much of a substitute...
Kevin Bailey2 Kevin Bailey2 Regular
265 messages
joined Jul 2012
#6370 ·
Chris Kim7 said:How much Xanax are you on? I’m taking 1 mg before bed and I'm planning to get off it... I tried tapering down before, which didn't really work, though I managed to get myself down to 0.25 mg gradually without too much trouble, but then everything just stalled because the insomnia was absolutely killing me, and Ativan wasn't much of a substitute...

6 milligrams. That's 2 mg three times a day.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
425 messages
joined May 2013
#6371 ·
Kevin Bailey2 said:When it comes to tapering off benzos (in my case, Xanax)... I once had this total fixation. After being on the max dose of Xanax for months, I just decided I was done with all the meds. I went rogue and—stupidly enough—flushed everything down the toilet just so I wouldn't be tempted to take more.

Withdrawal...
Day one... alright, maybe there was still enough concentration in my blood to function somewhat, but by evening, sleep was out of the question.
Day two... the shakes and aches started kicking in. Sleep? Not happening.
Day three... I’m just lying in bed, twitching my leg muscles because they feel so incredibly restless. The pain is everywhere, from my head down. It felt like a massive flu, except even a box of Advil didn't touch it.
Day four... my vision is blurring... I lost at least 50% of my sight. My limbs literally feel like they're giving out. I scramble to the ER at a major hospital and tell them exactly what I did. They hook me up to an IV with Xanax mixed in just to stabilize me, then write me a new prescription to pick up at the pharmacy later. That night, I go back on the Xanax per the doctor's orders.

It took me a few more days to recover from that withdrawal crash, even though I stayed on the same Xanax dosage I was on before.

Total disaster.

I honestly don't know how people survive heroin withdrawal or why people quit heroin so abruptly (I mean when people actually *want* to be clean, not when they're just using Exelon as a substitute for heroin)... but with anxiolytics, you have to taper for months. You go from three pills to two and a half... then eventually two and a half to two... then one and a half... and so on. This can drag on for months. From what I've heard, the physical withdrawal from heavy drugs lasts about a week.

The truth is... what we're taking is clearly a much stronger, heavier drug than damn heroin.

So now I'm wondering... is it actually possible to get off anxiolytics quickly, like within a week, and somehow endure the pain? Like, following the heroin model. You lock yourself in a room for a week and just suffer through it.

Is that too dangerous?

I've detailed how far I got by day four... but would things have just gotten even worse by day five?
I'm not sure.
I genuinely thought I was going to die. That's why I bolted to the ER.
Can the body even handle a sudden withdrawal crisis like that?

Yes.
Stopping medications that cause dependency all at once can trigger all sorts of psychological issues—not to mention physical ones.
The real issue is that certain drugs actually alter your behavior, your consciousness, even your very personality...
Your tolerance climbs, and suddenly you need higher doses just to feel level.
And that, quite obviously, is where things get dangerous.
It’s an entire cluster of symptoms. This isn't something to play around with.🙄
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
488 messages
joined Jul 2012
#6372 ·
Kevin Nguyen3 said:Yes.
Stopping medications that cause dependency all at once can trigger all sorts of psychological issues—not to mention physical ones.
The real issue is that certain drugs actually alter your behavior, your consciousness, even your very personality...
Your tolerance climbs, and suddenly you need higher doses just to feel level.
And that, quite obviously, is where things get dangerous.
It’s an entire cluster of symptoms. This isn't something to play around with.🙄

I am attempting to taper off my Xanax very gradually because reading all this stuff absolutely terrifies me. I started at 1.5 mg daily; right now I’m hovering at 1 mg, occasionally hitting 1.25 mg. So far, it seems manageable, but I have no idea what the road ahead holds—yesterday I even managed to drop down to just 0.75 mg.
Today was infuriating. My psychotherapist completely lost my patience, though frankly, I don't get much out of therapy anyway. I sit there for twenty minutes and she starts lecturing me on sleep hygiene for the second time. Look, I know everything there is to know about sleep hygiene, but knowing doesn't make it work. I want to fall asleep by 10 PM and wake up at 7 AM, but I can't drift off before midnight, even with 10 mg of Ambien, and then I struggle to actually function until 9 or 10 in the morning. Instead, I find myself wide awake around 5 AM, just tossing and turning. To top it off, she suggested I ramp up my Mirtazapine to 30 mg, thinking that might help, but I don't dare take more than 15 mg since it hasn't done a single thing for my anxiety. It feels pointless to just dose up solely for the sake of passing out. Besides, even last night, combining 10 mg of Ambien with Mirtazapine didn't result in any decent sleep...
Paul Newman5 Paul Newman5 Regular
251 messages
joined Oct 2012
#6373 ·
I've been on my prescribed dose of Citram for over three weeks now, and honestly, I think it’s finally starting to kick in. But for the last week, I’ve been dealing with constant stomach pain. I’m a gastroenterologist by trade, and Lilly put me on some meds for it immediately, but they don't seem to be doing much. Is it possible for stomach issues to show up after 2.5 weeks on Citram when everything else settled down at the start? If it were the Citram, wouldn't it have hit me right away instead of waiting until week three?🤷Am I overthinking this, or could Citram actually be the culprit? I really don't want to stop taking it since it's actually working and the other side effects vanished. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
488 messages
joined Jul 2012
#6374 ·
Paul Newman5 said:I've been on my prescribed dose of Citram for over three weeks now, and honestly, I think it’s finally starting to kick in. But for the last week, I’ve been dealing with constant stomach pain. I’m a gastroenterologist by trade, and Lilly put me on some meds for it immediately, but they don't seem to be doing much. Is it possible for stomach issues to show up after 2.5 weeks on Citram when everything else settled down at the start? If it were the Citram, wouldn't it have hit me right away instead of waiting until week three?🤷Am I overthinking this, or could Citram actually be the culprit? I really don't want to stop taking it since it's actually working and the other side effects vanished. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.

Well, anything is entirely possible. I mentioned to you before how wonderful things felt once my initial side effects cleared up, only to suffer a sudden, total system collapse after three months—just like that, overnight. Everything came rushing back: the anxiety, the tingling sensations, the nausea, the insomnia... and I had to stop taking it abruptly. It’s all within the realm of possibility, though it isn't a certainty; perhaps someone with more direct experience with this specific drug can offer a more definitive perspective.
restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
374 messages
joined Sep 2011
#6375 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:I am attempting to taper off my Xanax very gradually because reading all this stuff absolutely terrifies me. I started at 1.5 mg daily; right now I’m hovering at 1 mg, occasionally hitting 1.25 mg. So far, it seems manageable, but I have no idea what the road ahead holds—yesterday I even managed to drop down to just 0.75 mg.
Today was infuriating. My psychotherapist completely lost my patience, though frankly, I don't get much out of therapy anyway. I sit there for twenty minutes and she starts lecturing me on sleep hygiene for the second time. Look, I know everything there is to know about sleep hygiene, but knowing doesn't make it work. I want to fall asleep by 10 PM and wake up at 7 AM, but I can't drift off before midnight, even with 10 mg of Ambien, and then I struggle to actually function until 9 or 10 in the morning. Instead, I find myself wide awake around 5 AM, just tossing and turning. To top it off, she suggested I ramp up my Mirtazapine to 30 mg, thinking that might help, but I don't dare take more than 15 mg since it hasn't done a single thing for my anxiety. It feels pointless to just dose up solely for the sake of passing out. Besides, even last night, combining 10 mg of Ambien with Mirtazapine didn't result in any decent sleep...

If you feel up to it, you should find a new doctor. A 15-minute session is absolutely nothing, and the fact that she is preaching sleep hygiene to a patient whose struggle with insomnia she is already well aware of is reason enough to switch. Unfortunately, most psychologists working in the public health system are completely overwhelmed, so they simply don't have the time to provide proper, longer therapy sessions.😢
Kenneth Scott41 Kenneth Scott41 Regular
457 messages
joined May 2009
#6376 ·
I suppose I should start by saying that there isn't much to add to what was already stated, though perhaps a bit of context might help clarify things for those who feel left in the dark. It seems we are circling the same drain once again, and while I’m not one to jump on every passing trend, I can't help but notice how little actually changes when these situations arise. Maybe it's just my own cynicism talking, but I have a feeling we've been through this exact cycle before, and quite frankly, I'm starting to get a little tired of seeing the same patterns repeat themselves without any real resolution. One would think that after all this time, we might have developed some sort of collective wisdom, but I guess that's probably asking too much from people in this situation.
Kevin Bailey2 said:I'm not sure about diazepam, but I think taking Prozac can sometimes trigger a false positive for THC on a urine test.

Did I read that somewhere or am I just dreaming? Honestly, who knows. 😁


Diazepam stays in your system for a significantly longer stretch because of its half-life. It honestly has the longest-lasting effect of any of the benzos out there. I suppose you already know that most dealers and street users always seem to have some Diazepam on hand... they aren't exactly foolish, after all. They know exactly what works.😉
Kenneth Scott41 Kenneth Scott41 Regular
457 messages
joined May 2009
#6377 ·
I’m currently on a regimen of Effexor, Normabel, and Zoloft, and I usually take a dose of Seroquel at night just to help me get some decent sleep. However, I’ve started noticing these involuntary twitches lately. It happens when I'm lying in bed getting ready for sleep, or sometimes just while I'm sitting at my computer or going about my day. My arm will suddenly jerk, or my head or legs will twitch—it’s almost impossible to control because it feels like these sudden brain zaps, though perhaps not exactly like the sensation itself, just incredibly fast and completely unpredictable.
I can't help but wonder what might be causing this?😕
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
425 messages
joined May 2013
#6378 ·
Paul Newman5 said:I've been on my prescribed dose of Citram for over three weeks now, and honestly, I think it’s finally starting to kick in. But for the last week, I’ve been dealing with constant stomach pain. I’m a gastroenterologist by trade, and Lilly put me on some meds for it immediately, but they don't seem to be doing much. Is it possible for stomach issues to show up after 2.5 weeks on Citram when everything else settled down at the start? If it were the Citram, wouldn't it have hit me right away instead of waiting until week three?🤷Am I overthinking this, or could Citram actually be the culprit? I really don't want to stop taking it since it's actually working and the other side effects vanished. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.

I suspect the Citram might actually be the issue here. You really ought to mention this to your doctor, and they can prescribe or suggest something specifically for the stomach.
Side effects aren't always immediate; they can certainly crop up later on, can't they?
That's the unpredictable nature of these medications—you never quite know what to expect.
I take Nexium 20 mg every once in a while and haven't dealt with any pain.
There is absolutely no reason to stop your treatment; we have plenty of options for these kinds of things nowadays.
Some people use Ranitidine, though I don't know all that much about it myself—I haven't had much personal experience there.
The real issue often stems from H. pylori bacteria, which can cause quite a bit of trouble, but usually, a course of antibiotics and acid reducers for about seven days clears everything right up.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
425 messages
joined May 2013
#6379 ·
Kenneth Scott41 said:I’m currently on a regimen of Effexor, Normabel, and Zoloft, and I usually take a dose of Seroquel at night just to help me get some decent sleep. However, I’ve started noticing these involuntary twitches lately. It happens when I'm lying in bed getting ready for sleep, or sometimes just while I'm sitting at my computer or going about my day. My arm will suddenly jerk, or my head or legs will twitch—it’s almost impossible to control because it feels like these sudden brain zaps, though perhaps not exactly like the sensation itself, just incredibly fast and completely unpredictable.
I can't help but wonder what might be causing this?😕

Side effects from medication can manifest as what we call tics—those involuntary muscle jerks. Especially given the combination of all those drugs you mentioned.
Which Seroquel are you on?☕
Those jerks might stick around for a while, or they might disappear, and there's no telling if they'll ever come back.
It would honestly be best to let your doctor know. Though, since I'm apparently on your ignore list, it would be a shame if you didn't see this.😢
Generally speaking, there are many possible causes for these so-called myoclonic jerks (uncontrolled muscle spasms), but in your case, there isn't much need for guesswork. A neurologist would definitely be able to adjust your treatment plan more effectively after running some diagnostic tests.
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Kevin Nguyen3 said:I suspect the Citram might actually be the issue here. You really ought to mention this to your doctor, and they can prescribe or suggest something specifically for the stomach.
Side effects aren't always immediate; they can certainly crop up later on, can't they?
That's the unpredictable nature of these medications—you never quite know what to expect.
I take Nexium 20 mg every once in a while and haven't dealt with any pain.
There is absolutely no reason to stop your treatment; we have plenty of options for these kinds of things nowadays.
Some people use Ranitidine, though I don't know all that much about it myself—I haven't had much personal experience there.
The real issue often stems from H. pylori bacteria, which can cause quite a bit of trouble, but usually, a course of antibiotics and acid reducers for about seven days clears everything right up.

I'm on Nexium and Reglan—Lilly put me on them immediately. I dealt with the bacteria last year and went through the triple therapy then too. I'll wait until Tuesday, then check back in with Lilly. Without a gastroscopy or a breath test, they won't confirm the bacteria or hand out antibiotics without actual results. Thanks anyway. Just when I thought my anxiety might settle down, a new enemy shows up.

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