Mother of four experiences the same enlightenment as Buddha

Look, people, I already provided the link above where some guy breaks down specific quotes from the book along with his own commentary.

I basically wasted thirty days of my life typing this out.

I was actually expecting an American translation. 😉 🙂

Karen Sanchez19 said:I already asked you once—just quote her experience!🙂

Faster, faster, get a move on!🙂 🙂 🙂 😬

But Karen, this isn't just ONE single experience; it’s an entire journey.

***
If you look at that link, the first chapter gives you ONE EXPERIENCE and a description of it (that inner stillness)
but that’s just the first stop on the map...

The book actually contains about "123" different experiences.

***

Chapter 1

Roberts describes a quality of silence she had known on occasions, which
was so total as to evoke fear, annihilation, point of no return. Always
she would return to her usual self, warding off the fear through willful
thoughts of God, thus breaking the silence.

One day, however, that silence could not be broken, for the fear did not
come. And so there was no reason to return to the relationship between
self and God.

Roberts simply remained in that great silence.

For 8 days the silence rendered her almost unable to function. There
were moments of exhaustion and near black-out. Every chore had to be
done with great attention to every detail.

By the 9th day, Roberts was able to function as usual, but she noticed a
part of her mind had closed down. She had become emptied of the past and
come to live in the present moment.

Trying to understand that silence, Roberts First perceived IT to be a
kind of absorption into god. Then, after a month, she revised her
perception to be one of "seeing", a kind of opening-up, not a closing
down.

She soon discarded that perception and decided to research The works of John of The Cross
. There she found nothing describing her experience.

Coming home that day from the library, Roberts turned her gaze inward
and saw there was no longer a center, no longer a self. There was
emptiness. She felt great joy and lightness with this knowledge. She
decided that this emptiness and joy was Christ. She could live forever
with that. However, further annihilation was in the cards.

Karen Sanchez19 said:I was actually expecting an American translation 😉 🙂

But honestly, I find it pretty strange that you didn't ask for a musical playlist too 🙄

Poor mom, having to deal with you 🙂

Poor wife, stuck with you 🙂

And poor me, having to endure you 😁 🙂

but it strikes me as odd that you didn't ask for a musical request too

😂😂

Since you're offering, why not 🙂

I mean, come on... you've been grinding away for two months now, clearing your schedule just so you could find the time to TRANSLATE, and now suddenly nothing😢 🙂 🙂

Fine then... I suppose a little practice with the Drecklensen style won't hurt anyone🙂

hiddenpuma75 said:The engine here is basically Google, which I used to search

for the query

experience of no self+ EXCERPT 😉

The guy provided this link, so please, read it thoroughly and share your thoughts..

He essentially laid out everything you need to know, including exactly what Karen Sanchez19 is asking.

EXTRACTS FROM THE BOOKS OF BERNADETTE ROBERTS, WITH DESCRIPTIONS AND COMMENTARY

🙄 🙄

Her uncle is writing about the experience of Tetin's own journey

👎

Is it really such an impossible task to translate the very essence of her dissolution?

That "zadni čin" and those representations...
👋

"There was nothingness. She felt an incredible sense of joy and weightlessness knowing this. She concluded that this void and its accompanying bliss were actually Christ. She believed she could exist eternally
within that state. But, as it turns out, even deeper ego-dissolution was waiting for her."
.................................................. .................................................. ...

Now, folks on this forum, let's be honest about her.

If this lady hasn't truly "gone through" those various stages of emptying herself out, wouldn't it be unfair to deny her her own truth?

Unfortunately, the "consequences" she’s describing are nothing more than a mental construct.

Because—let's face it—where there is true "emptiness," there isn't any "you" left to feel "joy" or "lightness."
(placidharbor7)

The "experience of emptiness" is actually one of the greatest fears a human being can face!

Before reaching true "stillness," people are often haunted by feelings of desolation and sheer terror.

There isn't some version of "Christ" that just magically pops out of thin air from nowhere.

Trabunjarka has really only just "grazed" the surface, and now she's completely stunned by what she saw.

Her mind simply projected a "Christ" figure to pull her out of the overwhelming dread she was feeling.

So, let's not hold it against her. 👋

placidharbor7 said:"

That lady isn't being dishonest, folks.

..............

Because—wherever you find true emptiness, you won't find "you," nor will you find any sense of lightness."
(placidharbor7)

The "experience of emptiness" is actually one of the greatest human fears out there.

Our friend Trabunjarka has only just "touched" the periphery, and she was absolutely stunned by it.

Her mental projection of "Christ" was essentially her way of pulling herself out of the oncoming dread.

So, let's not hold it against her.👋

Easy now, placidharbor7...

What you mentioned is certainly true,

BUT...

...

but...

...
well,
it's not that...
rather...
it's more like... 😁 )

This is really just the first chapter—the very first stop on the journey she’s been traveling and documenting.

Because that key sentence above says it all...

However, further annihilation was in the cards."

So,

the fear is coming... and that version of Christ YOU MENTIONED won't be there to catch her.

(If I can slip in a quick spoiler while I'm at it: THAT encounter—that meeting with the "INEXPLICABLE EMPTINESS"—is what happens in Chapter 4.
The issue is that she spends fourteen pages describing this in her book, whereas the guy in the link I shared summarized the whole thing in half a page. Bernadette's writing is so refined, subtle, and fresh; she has a certain grace to her prose, much like our own placidharbor7.

This other guy is just reporting facts, which causes him to lose all that drama and depth that our dear Bernadette captures so beautifully.

So,

...

keep reading along the WHOLE journey of our dear "aunty."👋

hiddenpuma75 said:Take it easy, John...

What you've recalled is just standing

BUT...

...

but

...
and,
but
rather than..
vec 😁 )

That’s really just the first chapter—basically the very first stop on the massive journey she went through, which she describes here.

Because that key sentence above is everything...

"However, further annihilation was in the cards."

So

The fear is going to hit... and that Christ YOU MENTION won't be anywhere to be found.

(I can tell you now while I'm rushing to beat the traffic that THAT moment—that encounter with the ''INEXPLICABLE EMPTINESS''—actually happens in Chapter 4.
But the catch is, she spends fourteen whole pages describing it in the book, whereas this guy in the link I sent you managed to condense the whole thing into half a page! Aunt Bernadette's language is so refined, subtle, and fresh; she has this unique way of expressing things, much like our own John.)

This guy is just summarizing and relaying facts, so you lose all that raw drama and the deep, soulful description that our dear Aunt Bernadette provides.

So,

...

Keep reading along the WHOLE journey of our dear ''aunty''.👋

And you want all the Boshnjacans to call you Master Principal, huh?!

Reading about Aunt Roberts like this is just as educational, even if it's just casual conversation.

placidharbor7 will probably conclude next time that the story isn't convincing—if that's how it turns out.
Then you'll just have to present a whole new scale.

You have to process the entire scale.
Cosmo-musical, hmm?

EVERYTHING I AM "PLEADING FOR"

everything posted within this thread is a TRANSLATION by one particular MASTER (in this instance, hiddenpuma75) of a TEXT that may very well contain

a "TESTIMONY" of enlightenment or perhaps

an INSIGHT INTO AN ENLIGHTENMENT THAT IS NONEXISTENT

YET ALL-ENCOMPASSING AND ALL-SUFFICIENT

BECAUSE knowing that hiddenpuma75's master

understands and possesses the "secret" of language AS

the vessel and the driver of AWARENESS

I am once again PUBLICLY BEGGING him to present

the KEY AND DECISIVE

passages from the aforementioned work ....

GO PARSI GOO GOOOO

👋 😎 🙂

Anyone got a "path to no-self" available in physical or digital format? Thanks.

I was wondering if anyone here has had a chance to dive into the latest book by B. Roberts, *the Real Christ*, and if you'd be willing to share some of your thoughts on it? I’ve actually tried picking it up about four or five times now, but honestly, every single time I started, I found myself getting stuck because it felt just a bit too... well, tedious, rambling, and unnecessarily convoluted for my taste. However, about a month ago, I decided to give it one more shot, and I’ve just reached the quarter-way mark when suddenly—everything clicked. It has become absolutely fascinating and, in my opinion, quite revolutionary. From a modern perspective, her interpretation of Christ is incredibly striking, especially since she constantly weaves in quotes from those prominent Christian figures from the first five centuries—whom she refers to as the Fathers of the Church—to back up her own insights.

What I find even more inspiring, though, are the parallels—some of them feel almost identical at certain points—between her interpretations in this book and the teachings found in *A Course in Miracles*.

Hmmmmmm...... 🤔

Brian Young76 said:I was wondering if anyone here has had a chance to dive into the latest book by B. Roberts, *the Real Christ*, and if you'd be willing to share some of your thoughts on it? I’ve actually tried picking it up about four or five times now, but honestly, every single time I started, I found myself getting stuck because it felt just a bit too... well, tedious, rambling, and unnecessarily convoluted for my taste. However, about a month ago, I decided to give it one more shot, and I’ve just reached the quarter-way mark when suddenly—everything clicked. It has become absolutely fascinating and, in my opinion, quite revolutionary. From a modern perspective, her interpretation of Christ is incredibly striking, especially since she constantly weaves in quotes from those prominent Christian figures from the first five centuries—whom she refers to as the Fathers of the Church—to back up her own insights.

What I find even more inspiring, though, are the parallels—some of them feel almost identical at certain points—between her interpretations in this book and the teachings found in *A Course in Miracles*.

Hmmmmmm...... 🤔

1. I actually received the book directly from my Aunt Bernadette from the USA😲 while it was still a privately bound manuscript.
Now, it's available on Amazon as a standard book.

2. She actually took it to the post office herself—bless her heart for dealing with my ignorance—so I keep her signature on the envelope like a little relic or a cherished memory.🙏

3. They say you should read a book at the same pace and for as long as it took to write it.

4. B. Roberts mentions she spent five years writing this book at a Christian hermitage she calls her second home (the Camadolese Hermitage, out in Big Sur, California).

5. I find myself agreeing with one reviewer who brilliantly compared both the book and the author to Einstein. Essentially, what Einstein is to physics, B. Roberts is to theology.

6. I've had the book for maybe 5, 6, or 7 years now, reading it on and off and underlining quite a lot.

7. I haven't actually finished the whole thing yet, nor have I truly immersed myself in it deeply...
(Much like how I approached the book *I Am That*, for instance).

8. Regardless, this book serves as a humbling reminder of how little I actually know, even though I modestly consider myself quite knowledgeable—perhaps even more so than our official forum commentator, Beljkija - Puhovski 😁 (who has unfortunately wasted so much precious time watching and commenting on, and moderating, boxing matches and those clumsy little brawls 👎

9. Just to give you a little perspective on how much we actually know—and yes, I'm including both hiddenpuma75 and Beljki here
😁

10. Let's take a single term: "person."

11. Most of you reading this probably feel pretty confident that you know exactly what that word means.
You think it's as straightforward as knowing what a cow is, or what a Republican or a Pentagon official like Seroš or Bezbožinović represents.

12. But over the course of about 30 pages (roughly 130 to 160), B. Roberts explains just how murky this concept really is.

13. The first "minor" issue is that the word "person" doesn't even exist in the Bible.😲

14. The second issue? Neither Beljki, nor hiddenpuma75, nor any of us truly grasp the distinction between a "person" and an "individual." According to B. Roberts, the difference is as vast as night and day. They are two entirely different realities.😲🤔

15. You likely don't even realize why the Greeks rejected the concept of the "persona."

16. To put it simply, a person isn't quite what a human being is, nor is it what our Lord God is.🤔

17. So, within those 30 pages, we get this massive, multi-dimensional analysis spanning philosophy, psychology, theology, and mysticism regarding the term "person."

18. The whole concept of the "person" is essentially a Christian innovation.

19. Honestly, I don't know any more about this than you do, my dear friends reading this.

20. I suspect that to truly digest those 30 pages on the nature of a person, you'd need to study it like a grueling university final. Those pages are absolutely packed with erudition, weaving together various disciplines and the insights of scholars throughout history.

21. But I am certain of one thing.

Compared to the sheer depth, intellectual weight, quality, and unmistakable essence found in the life and writings of Bernadette Roberts, our forum posts—mine, yours, and even Beljki's—feel a bit like mere straw.🙏

So, after those first 30 pages, we hit a section from pages 161 to 174 that dives deep into analyzing and clarifying terms like

PERSON VS INDIVIDUAL.

It covers concepts such as the self, the soul, and the logos.

Then, things get really heavy—we’re moving into the heavyweight division here.😁

What does it actually mean to be Christ? (I'm not talking about Jesus as just a historical figure)
We look at the distinction between Jesus and Christ.

What exactly is the Hypostatic union?

And so on, and so forth.

To wrap it up, Bernadette Roberts says this toward the end, and I'll quote her directly:

The truth is simply unbelievable,🙏 ,and hiddenpuma75, bluemason3, krena, Dragan, and Paul Rogers94 haven't the slightest clue, even if they think they do.''

😲

hiddenpuma75 said:9. Just to give you a little perspective on how much we actually know—and yes, I'm including both hiddenpuma75 and Beljki here
😁

10. Let's take a single term: "person."

11. Most of you reading this probably feel pretty confident that you know exactly what that word means.
You think it's as straightforward as knowing what a cow is, or what a Republican or a Pentagon official like Seroš or Bezbožinović represents.

12. But over the course of about 30 pages (roughly 130 to 160), B. Roberts explains just how murky this concept really is.

13. The first "minor" issue is that the word "person" doesn't even exist in the Bible.😲

14. The second issue? Neither Beljki, nor hiddenpuma75, nor any of us truly grasp the distinction between a "person" and an "individual." According to B. Roberts, the difference is as vast as night and day. They are two entirely different realities.😲🤔

15. You likely don't even realize why the Greeks rejected the concept of the "persona."

16. To put it simply, a person isn't quite what a human being is, nor is it what our Lord God is.🤔

17. So, within those 30 pages, we get this massive, multi-dimensional analysis spanning philosophy, psychology, theology, and mysticism regarding the term "person."

18. The whole concept of the "person" is essentially a Christian innovation.

19. Honestly, I don't know any more about this than you do, my dear friends reading this.

20. I suspect that to truly digest those 30 pages on the nature of a person, you'd need to study it like a grueling university final. Those pages are absolutely packed with erudition, weaving together various disciplines and the insights of scholars throughout history.

21. But I am certain of one thing.

Compared to the sheer depth, intellectual weight, quality, and unmistakable essence found in the life and writings of Bernadette Roberts, our forum posts—mine, yours, and even Beljki's—feel a bit like mere straw.🙏

The individual. 🙂

An adult is someone who has actually grown up; an individual is just a teenager trapped in an adult body, or at least possessing a teenage spirit. 🧐

hiddenpuma75 said:So, after those first 30 pages, we hit a section from pages 161 to 174 that dives deep into analyzing and clarifying terms like

PERSON VS INDIVIDUAL.

It covers concepts such as the self, the soul, and the logos.

Then, things get really heavy—we’re moving into the heavyweight division here.😁

What does it actually mean to be Christ? (I'm not talking about Jesus as just a historical figure)
We look at the distinction between Jesus and Christ.

What exactly is the Hypostatic union?

And so on, and so forth.

To wrap it up, Bernadette Roberts says this toward the end, and I'll quote her directly:

The truth is simply unbelievable,🙏 ,and hiddenpuma75, bluemason3, krena, Dragan, and Paul Rogers94 haven't the slightest clue, even if they think they do.''

😲

Christ is the self (consciousness, Atman, the Son within the Trinity), whereas Jesus is merely the externalized, dramatized portrayal of that self—crucified and resurrected. This narrative of consciousness drowning in matter (death) and its subsequent liberation from it (resurrection) is found in every culture throughout history via their various initiations, much like the Orphic mysteries that ritualistically perpetuate the myth of Persephone... personified through natural cycles...

Then there's the Shroud of Turin. There were countless such cloths in the early Middle Ages, and many still exist today—just like the thorns from Christ's crown, the spears that pierced Him, fragments of the cross, or the relics of various saints. These served as lucrative "inputs" for a dull, illiterate medieval majority driven by magical thinking, and they sit in churches today being treated as authentic. Yet, whether they are authentic or not is irrelevant—just as it doesn't matter if Buddha is portly or if he's just some folkloric figure like Budai—so long as one focuses on what the relic or artifact represents. The issue arises when people worship the idol, the thorn, or the cloth itself. I personally believe none of it is authentic and that Christ as a historical individual never existed; He is simply the personification of an archetype—a story of death and rebirth that perhaps every culture in every land has told throughout all of history.

There is nothing more dangerous or ruinous than trying to "ground" these archetypes. Many have tried to engineer a "paradise on earth," yet it always ends in catastrophe...

As for the dialectical distinction between a person and an individual, I could probably spin my own theory out of thin air—it’s not like it would be nonsensical regardless of how you look at it.

By the way, I was watching that YouTube lecture where BR lays out his basic cosmogony. His framework holds up fine; however, your interpretations of it are questionable at best. But I won't descend into nonsense right now—I do respect your personal approach, most of your influences, your sense for the supreme Reality, and your pathless path.

hiddenpuma75 said:So, after those first 30 pages, we hit a section from pages 161 to 174 that dives deep into analyzing and clarifying terms like

PERSON VS INDIVIDUAL.

It covers concepts such as the self, the soul, and the logos.

Then, things get really heavy—we’re moving into the heavyweight division here.😁

What does it actually mean to be Christ? (I'm not talking about Jesus as just a historical figure)
We look at the distinction between Jesus and Christ.

What exactly is the Hypostatic union?

And so on, and so forth.

To wrap it up, Bernadette Roberts says this toward the end, and I'll quote her directly:

The truth is simply unbelievable,🙏 ,and hiddenpuma75, bluemason3, krena, Dragan, and Paul Rogers94 haven't the slightest clue, even if they think they do.''

😲

I suppose everyone just scratches where it itches (😬), so in that sense...

I've reached a section where Bernadette Roberts and ACIM definitely diverge—specifically regarding who or what brought this material and energetic universe (space-time) into being.

Bernadette Roberts suggests that God cannot create perfection, because doing so would essentially be creating Himself; therefore, she argues that God can only create an imperfect universe like this one. In this regard, I think she aligns more with traditional Jewish, Christian, or Islamic interpretations, where God acts as the Creator of the cosmos.

On the other hand, ACIM posits that God (the Father) can only create perfection (the Son, who is equal in essence), and that the universe was brought forth through the joint action of the Son and the Holy Spirit—essentially the Father's response to the thought of separation.

Then there's a third perspective: the Gospel of Ramakrishna suggests that the universe was created by Kala, and that all of this is merely a grand cosmic play because Kala finds joy in the game. Only Brahman is truly real, while everything else is an illusion (which is actually something ACIM agrees with).

From a fourth angle, Buddha essentially argued that seeking an answer to this question is irrelevant when you are focused on uncovering truth or reaching enlightenment (much like that parable about the poisoned arrow).

So now I find myself wondering... is it even necessary to find a definitive answer to that question if our goal is the actual realization of God?

Hmmmm....... 🤔

Brian Young76 said:I suppose everyone just scratches where it itches (😬), so in that sense...

I've reached a section where Bernadette Roberts and ACIM definitely diverge—specifically regarding who or what brought this material and energetic universe (space-time) into being.

Bernadette Roberts suggests that God cannot create perfection, because doing so would essentially be creating Himself; therefore, she argues that God can only create an imperfect universe like this one. In this regard, I think she aligns more with traditional Jewish, Christian, or Islamic interpretations, where God acts as the Creator of the cosmos.

On the other hand, ACIM posits that God (the Father) can only create perfection (the Son, who is equal in essence), and that the universe was brought forth through the joint action of the Son and the Holy Spirit—essentially the Father's response to the thought of separation.

Then there's a third perspective: the Gospel of Ramakrishna suggests that the universe was created by Kala, and that all of this is merely a grand cosmic play because Kala finds joy in the game. Only Brahman is truly real, while everything else is an illusion (which is actually something ACIM agrees with).

From a fourth angle, Buddha essentially argued that seeking an answer to this question is irrelevant when you are focused on uncovering truth or reaching enlightenment (much like that parable about the poisoned arrow).

So now I find myself wondering... is it even necessary to find a definitive answer to that question if our goal is the actual realization of God?

Hmmmm....... 🤔

Everything I’m trying to say—no matter how I frame it—boils down to one single point: you can't actually realize anything through mere washing... nothing. A direct look into the true nature of reality... It clarifies everything—yet that "everything" can't be captured by language, which is really just an instrument of reason. Everyone has to find their own way through it... and honestly, that’s where the real value lies.

There is no process for gaining direct insight into the true nature of reality—none. There is no way. "Ways" are merely functions of the mind, and if you think you’ve actually found one, then it’s inherently flawed... Direct insight isn't some prize waiting for you at the end of a spiritual marathon.

What you're looking for simply isn't there—because that thing isn't an object that can actually be known...
That’s the thing—it uncovers everything about an object, yet remains fundamentally unknowable...
That is the subject of all subjects...
That is the core of everything—and everything is that...
That’s just the reality of existence—because everything that actually exists is defined by THAT...
That is the ULTIMATE REALITY.
YOU ARE IT.

From the Gospel according to Paul Rogers94...

You can't truly grasp what you are—you can only perceive what you aren't... because you are the one who knows, the pure essence of knowledge itself.

Paul Rogers94 said:Everything I’m trying to say—no matter how I frame it—boils down to one single point: you can't actually realize anything through mere washing... nothing. A direct look into the true nature of reality... It clarifies everything—yet that "everything" can't be captured by language, which is really just an instrument of reason. Everyone has to find their own way through it... and honestly, that’s where the real value lies.

There is no process for gaining direct insight into the true nature of reality—none. There is no way. "Ways" are merely functions of the mind, and if you think you’ve actually found one, then it’s inherently flawed... Direct insight isn't some prize waiting for you at the end of a spiritual marathon.

What you're looking for simply isn't there—because that thing isn't an object that can actually be known...
That’s the thing—it uncovers everything about an object, yet remains fundamentally unknowable...
That is the subject of all subjects...
That is the core of everything—and everything is that...
That’s just the reality of existence—because everything that actually exists is defined by THAT...
That is the ULTIMATE REALITY.
YOU ARE IT.

From the Gospel according to Paul Rogers94...

You can't truly grasp what you are—you can only perceive what you aren't... because you are the one who knows, the pure essence of knowledge itself.

Short and sweet. 👍

It brings up that nagging question again: does it even make sense to put in the effort? To read spiritual books or commit to various practices... when those things can't actually trigger that direct insight. What would be better? Just relaxing a bit, or maybe dedicating ourselves to something else entirely?