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The Psychology of the Crowd

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Participants Jeffrey Edwards5silentgardener4Anthony Harris14Henry Alvarez33Raymond Turner6wearyowl29Jonathan Ward5Lisa Ortiz17Sophia WilliamsDennis Anderson3Ryan Diaz5William Nelson7amberbadger8Harold Hernandez96Gary James88electrictiger70bluemaker52cosmictinker21Lisa Hernandez3Donna Baker5Jeremy Alvarez5Chloe Martinez5placidrangerBrandon Baker26 …
amberbadger8 amberbadger8 Member
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#21 ·
..good grief, that word of the day 🙂
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#22 ·
Ryan Diaz5 said:Before I dive into the whole "mob psychology" thing, I should probably get an answer to my question first: what’s your actual take on democracy and the democratic process of decision-making?

It’s an imperfect system, really. It wears this human mask, if you want to call it that.
And honestly? It’s the only thing keeping us fed on a little bit of hope.

Are you actually mixing up the feeling of a mob with democratic or political principles?🤷
Ryan Diaz5 Ryan Diaz5 Newcomer
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#23 ·
Quote : Cocaine Nights
William Nelson7 said:The mosh pit is where a person can finally let loose their deepest, most suppressed complexes and primal rage... It’s essentially a box full of explosives of varying magnitudes, just waiting for a single spark to set them off... That energy can trigger anyone... I don't know how many of you have been to a heavy rock concert, but once the crowd starts surging, it's intense... Your logic tells you to back away, but that surge of testosterone pushes you right into the thick of it to shake off all that pent-up aggression.

Think about it—take rock concerts, some random skinhead attacking a gay guy on a subway, or even just a standard football game.

Think about it this way: if there’s a rock concert happening in an alleyway, not just any random passerby is going to wander in; it’s only the people who actually want to be there or need something from the show. Or take a situation where a group of skinheads attacks someone—it isn't like the entire subway system suddenly turns violent; it's just that specific group. Even at a sports game, you don't see the whole stadium erupting at once; instead, you have that one specific section of the bleachers where a small crowd jumps around and screams their heads off. So, I’m struggling to find the logic behind this idea that "the masses can move any individual," or that "the crowd is easily ignited." Honestly, I don't see the foundation for that concept, let alone the actual point. If a crowd is supposedly "easily ignited," could someone actually trigger behavior in a mob of skinheads that goes completely against everything they’ve already been taught and believe in? And what does "easily ignited" even mean in this context? Is it even possible to light a fire in something that's already burning?

amberbadger8 said:Look, here’s how I see it. You can view mass psychology as a direct result—a manifestation of energy—that represents what we might call a certain kind of (un)realized potential. This energy
starts at the strongest links and radiates outward until it hits a saturation point, yet ultimately remains anchored to someone's individual potential. It functions like a peak surrounded by its own surrounding landscape.
..all coalescing into a singular, majority-driven unity that spans the entire planet...

😍 Good grief, amberbadger8, what on earth is this Robert Frost stuff?
Ryan Diaz5 Ryan Diaz5 Newcomer
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wearyowl29 said:It’s an imperfect system, really. It wears this human mask, if you want to call it that.
And honestly? It’s the only thing keeping us fed on a little bit of hope.

Are you actually mixing up the feeling of a mob with democratic or political principles?🤷

I'm trying to wrap my head around what actually qualifies as a "mob" in your definition. Does an electorate count as a mob, or is that something else entirely?
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#25 ·
Ryan Diaz5 said:I'm trying to wrap my head around what actually qualifies as a "mob" in your definition. Does an electorate count as a mob, or is that something else entirely?

Look, here is how I see it: when a group fails to recognize its individual members—not by their names, their jobs, or even their lifestyles—and there is zero intention to do so, that is when you move from a simple gathering into a true mass.
The big question for me is whether "mass" is just a different way of saying "crowd" in American English, or if there's a deeper distinction there.🤷
amberbadger8 amberbadger8 Member
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#26 ·
😍 Good grief, amberbadger8, what kind of Robert Frost is this?

It’s not Robert Frost, just me being modest. 🙂
Ryan Diaz5 Ryan Diaz5 Newcomer
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#27 ·
amberbadger8 said:😍 Good grief, amberbadger8, what kind of Robert Frost is this?


It’s not Robert Frost, just me being modest. 🙂

It’s not Robert Frost, just me being modest. 🙂

It’s not Robert Frost, just me being modest. 🙂
To put it bluntly, if I actually understood any of this... 🤷

wearyowl29 said:Look, here is how I see it: when a group fails to recognize its individual members—not by their names, their jobs, or even their lifestyles—and there is zero intention to do so, that is when you move from a simple gathering into a true mass.
The big question for me is whether "mass" is just a different way of saying "crowd" in American English, or if there's a deeper distinction there.🤷

The whole concept of a "crowd" versus a "mass" is incredibly fluid. How homogeneous they become depends on a ton of different factors. Honestly, anthropomorphizing the "mass" by saying it "doesn't recognize" people doesn't really help explain or defend the initial ideas—like the notion that people in a crowd gain a false sense of security. For instance, it’s easy to hide within a crowd, and when a specific group decides to act out—say, during a protest where someone smashes a storefront window and robs a shop—there's a very high probability that the crowd provides a genuine sense of security, not a fake one...

Is "mass" just an American way of saying "crowd"?🤷

I've always treated those two terms as synonyms. Look, I didn't graduate from an Ivy League university, so I don't know the technical distinctions between a crowd, a mass, a horde, etc., or which definition is the most academically sound for this debate. However, you haven't really demonstrated much analytical depth yet, have you? You've tossed out examples of how groups of people behave, but you haven't actually dissected them or shown how those actions connect back to your previous points.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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Ryan Diaz5;16602510 said:
You’re just throwing out examples of what groups of people do, but you haven't actually broken any of them down. You haven't shown how those actions connect back to your earlier points at all.

Look, if you want a deep dive, save that for a PhD defense! For now, just be happy with a passing grade on your term paper;

A crowd possesses this massive amount of raw energy directed toward a specific goal, and that direction is driven by their frustrations and whatever external circumstances are swirling around them. Dissatisfaction and anger are the usual triggers—though, honestly, it can even be pure fun! Sometimes all it takes is a single match to spark it, and that flame can turn into a full-blown emergency. From a psychological standpoint, a crowd can act in a sudden moment of panic, vent aggression, throw out ultimate demands, or just become incredibly expressive.
The thing about a crowd is that it has zero patience. It doesn't sit there and deliberate; it acts impulsively, right here and right now.
(Think about looting during a major blackout, or the frustration of a specific social class, or even just a wild crowd at a Mardi Gras parade).

Crowds lack self-criticism. Once you introduce any kind of control, they lose that elemental nature that makes them a "mob"—that faceless collection of bodies. A crowd operates on its own internal logic, fueled by a buildup of repressed emotions that suddenly burst forth. As a pack, they are ready to do things an individual standing alone would never dream of doing.
Because they are so emotionally charged, they are incredibly easy to manipulate through suggestion. (Like a lynching).

Crowds are gullible, but they need focus; they need a clear objective. If the goals get scattered, the momentum dies. Within a crowd, there's this sense of merging, creating a homogeneity that, even if it's just brief, gives the individual a feeling of immense strength and unity.
In those moments, the crowd's energy blends perfectly with feelings of belonging, roots, heritage, and the land. In that instant, the individual feeds off the tribe's energy,
gets purified, and merges into a single, unified voice.
(Think of massive concerts, political rallies, or huge sporting events).
Harold Hernandez96 Harold Hernandez96 Newcomer
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#29 ·
Hey everyone, does anyone have some good book recommendations on crowd psychology? I'm looking for something in English.
Gary James88 Gary James88 Active Member
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#30 ·
Aronson, E., Wilson, T. d., and Akert, R. M. (2005). Social Psychology. Mate, Washington, D.C. (chapters on groups)

Brown, R. (2006). Group Processes: Dynamics within and between groups. Published by Slap: Annapolis
electrictiger70 electrictiger70 Active Member
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#31 ·
Gustav Le bon: The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind

And here is a critique of that work 😁 : Sigmund Freud: Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego

plus

McDougall: The group mind
Gary James88 Gary James88 Active Member
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#32 ·
You’ve got stuff here from before 1930. Got anything a bit more recent? 😁
electrictiger70 electrictiger70 Active Member
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#33 ·
Gary James88 said:You’ve got stuff here from before 1930. Got anything a bit more recent? 😁

I must have developed some sort of psychic intuition on this forum, because I knew exactly when Gary James88 would ask this question. 😁 One needs to master the fundamentals first; everything else follows naturally from there. I am certain that even at an Ivy League university, you wouldn't start your studies by jumping straight into a textbook from 2007. 😉
Gary James88 Gary James88 Active Member
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#34 ·
electrictiger70 said:I must have developed some sort of psychic intuition on this forum, because I knew exactly when Gary James88 would ask this question. 😁 One needs to master the fundamentals first; everything else follows naturally from there. I am certain that even at an Ivy League university, you wouldn't start your studies by jumping straight into a textbook from 2007. 😉

Fundamentals aren't strictly necessary if you don't care about the history of a specific school of thought, otherwise you could end up going all the way back to the Greek philosophers. For instance, in biology, you don't need to know Lamarckian theory regarding acquired characteristics just to grasp modern evolutionary science. It's better to dive straight into modern textbooks or specialized books, then dig into the history later if you actually find it interesting... We didn't even touch on the history of psychology until our senior year, though we did mention historical studies in specific classes—studies that were eventually replaced by newer, still relevant findings, and so on...
Harold Hernandez96 Harold Hernandez96 Newcomer
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#35 ·
I’m looking for something a bit more recent, honestly. I don't really care much about the deep history or how everything evolved over time. But, I guess those ones listed further down would probably be alright for me.
bluemaker52 bluemaker52 Member
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#36 ·
Dr. Gustav Le bon really hit the nail on the head with his observations—I actually have a vintage edition from 1920 sitting right here on my shelf!
Do you all truly believe that people ever change? Honestly, it’s a fascinating question to ponder...

And one quick correction on my part... a whole bunch, not just bunches!
electrictiger70 electrictiger70 Active Member
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#37 ·
Gary James88

The core principles from those books I mentioned still hold up perfectly. If you actually want to wrap your head around crowd psychology, you really should take them into account. At the end of the day, it’s up to you which perspective you find more useful.

bluemaker52 You're right. A massive mistake on my part.
Gary James88 Gary James88 Active Member
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bluemaker52 said:Dr. Gustav Le bon really hit the nail on the head with his observations—I actually have a vintage edition from 1920 sitting right here on my shelf!
Do you all truly believe that people ever change? Honestly, it’s a fascinating question to ponder...

And one quick correction on my part... a whole bunch, not just bunches!

Not necessarily people, just our understanding. Old theories get tossed into the dustbin of history while some things stick. Still, sticking to modern literature is safer—at least it incorporates everything we've learned over the last 90 years or so.
bluemaker52 bluemaker52 Member
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#39 ·
You make a fair point, but honestly, people used to have way more breathing room for everything back in the day. At the end of the day, when you step back and look at the big picture, the aesthetic might change, but the underlying structure remains exactly the same. You just need a little nudge; with the sheer amount of information out there now—even if we can't trust all of it—you can pretty easily stumble upon the truth yourself. Unless, of course, someone is looking to "manage" the masses...
There’s a perfect historical parallel in the French Revolution...
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#40 ·
P. Bruckner's "History of Civilization"... you might still be able to track down a copy if you hit up some local bookstores

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