The Psychology of the Crowd

casualcanyon3 said:Thanks for the link; I actually sat down and looked through both that and the Milgram study! 🙂

👍 ... but do you remember that American "experiment"...

Just some facts for those of you living in a dream world 🙄

.. they used a bomb the second time because the gun wasn't effective enough .. and once again, everyone just looked away, retreating into their little holes of prideful American missions .. I suppose there isn't much else to say .. I feel like I am trapped in the experiment mentioned above, just waiting to see when the end comes, wondering if anyone will even bother to react .. haha .. I'll probably get banned for this too, since people fail to realize how they are making life harder for themselves and essentially deciding what kind of world their own children will have to inhabit .. but then again, who cares 😬 if that is what you want for your kids; I am hardly in a position to judge you 🙂

Lawrence Bailey77 said:🙄 Regarding those quoted above... I am honestly just waiting for someone to start rationalizing murder; I wouldn't even be surprised if that happened. I mean... facts.. what does an opinion matter when someone is actually stabbing you with a knife?! Would anyone even bother discussing this while sharing their experience watching a performance? Ask yourselves; you don't need to answer me.

Keep-Calm
Having recently become a mother, I find myself occasionally reflecting on the fundamental nature of humanity—specifically how it appears at its inception. From my perspective, I see nothing but good. There is this innate craving for attention, love, and patience. What might superficially be perceived as "malice" actually seems to stem merely from a misunderstanding of one's surroundings and a simple desire to have one's needs met.

🙏 I truly wish you abundant health and happiness, and perhaps even more children if life allows; I say this from the bottom of my heart 😍. Regardless of the environment we inhabit, people like you make life significantly more beautiful and worth living—and perhaps, in my estimation, even worth dying for! 👍

P.S. I suspect that if an individual in that specific performance had begun acting toward the audience in such a way, they would have been instantly branded a lunatic or a maniac. I doubt there would have been nearly as much "debate" or controversy regarding beliefs about human nature. However, when the issue shifts toward COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY 😠, that incredible protective instinct
kicks in.
P.P.S. I am honestly unsure if Hitler ever killed anyone personally, yet all the blame is placed solely upon his shoulders as the ultimate embodiment of evil, whereas Stalin arguably slaughtered more of his own people than Hitler did others... not to mention the history of the United States, stretching from the past right up to the present day! ☕ ... the tally doesn't stop, and it shows no intention of slowing down.

.. I suppose this is an endless topic of discussion 🕺

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I honestly have no clue how you reached that conclusion, but hey, maybe you've got some way of perceiving things that—frankly—is completely lost on me..

Lawrence Bailey77 said:🙄 Regarding those quoted above... I am honestly just waiting for someone to start rationalizing murder; I wouldn't even be surprised if that happened. I mean... facts.. what does an opinion matter when someone is actually stabbing you with a knife?! Would anyone even bother discussing this while sharing their experience watching a performance? Ask yourselves; you don't need to answer me.

Keep-Calm
Having recently become a mother, I find myself occasionally reflecting on the fundamental nature of humanity—specifically how it appears at its inception. From my perspective, I see nothing but good. There is this innate craving for attention, love, and patience. What might superficially be perceived as "malice" actually seems to stem merely from a misunderstanding of one's surroundings and a simple desire to have one's needs met.

🙏 I truly wish you abundant health and happiness, and perhaps even more children if life allows; I say this from the bottom of my heart 😍. Regardless of the environment we inhabit, people like you make life significantly more beautiful and worth living—and perhaps, in my estimation, even worth dying for! 👍

P.S. I suspect that if an individual in that specific performance had begun acting toward the audience in such a way, they would have been instantly branded a lunatic or a maniac. I doubt there would have been nearly as much "debate" or controversy regarding beliefs about human nature. However, when the issue shifts toward COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY 😠, that incredible protective instinct
kicks in.
P.P.S. I am honestly unsure if Hitler ever killed anyone personally, yet all the blame is placed solely upon his shoulders as the ultimate embodiment of evil, whereas Stalin arguably slaughtered more of his own people than Hitler did others... not to mention the history of the United States, stretching from the past right up to the present day! ☕ ... the tally doesn't stop, and it shows no intention of slowing down.

.. I suppose this is an endless topic of discussion 🕺

I don't think I've ever used this emoji in my entire time on this forum, but hey, there's a first time for everything. So, here we go;
🤦 🤦

1. - So, you're claiming you don't know if Hitler ever killed anyone, but you were probably an eyewitness to what Stalin and Americans did, right?

2. - The sheer claim that Hitler didn't kill anyone is so "brilliant" it belongs in a hall of fame for the biggest nonsense ever written.. And if you were trying to say something else or using some weird allegory or whatever regarding everyone mentioned—man, you are totally missing the mark..

Unbelievable! 🤦

Drew Lee3 said:I’ve never really bought into this idea that humans are inherently sadistic. I don't walk around feeling an instinctive dread of my surroundings, and honestly, I’ve never once felt that creeping sense of insecurity or fear—not even when walking home alone in the dead of night. If there were actual reasons to be terrified, I’m pretty sure that over the years, I would have picked up on something in the words or actions of the people around me that signaled I should be on high alert. But I haven't. Maybe once or twice, I've caught a vibe from someone that they just lacked empathy, or that they got a little too much of a kick out of being cruel. But compared to everyone else I know? It’s negligible. Though, I do notice that certain parts of the world seem "denser" with these cold, unfeeling, sociopathic types who thrive on antisocial mob mentalities. Why is that? Is it because certain environments tolerate deviant behavior more easily, is it purely genetic, or is it something else entirely? Who knows, I’m hardly an expert.

Also, seeing how a few individuals acted toward the end of the "performance" doesn't actually prove anything. That whole setup might have just attracted the wrong crowd; extreme social experiments often act like magnets for sociopaths and psychopaths. I really feel like I need a more detailed breakdown of this study. Was there a massive surge where almost everyone turned on her, or was it just a handful of outliers—like 10 out of 100? There’s just too little information to go on...

Wait, how can social behavior be considered asocial?

On that note, here is a practical experiment regarding herd mentality:


By the way, a recent replication of the Milgram experiment looked at people who refused to shock others to death under authority. They found these were mostly asocial rebels who don't conform to society. The only group that didn't shock anyone was women who had experience organizing factory strikes. Normal, well-adjusted people who fit into society perfectly all followed orders and shocked the subject to death.

It’s likely more about the desire to belong than enjoying the torture itself.

Actually, it comes down to one-on-one influence from an authority figure.

feralharbor8 said:Wait, how can social behavior be considered asocial?

On that note, here is a practical experiment regarding herd mentality:

By the way, a recent replication of the Milgram experiment looked at people who refused to shock others to death under authority. They found these were mostly asocial rebels who don't conform to society. The only group that didn't shock anyone was women who had experience organizing factory strikes. Normal, well-adjusted people who fit into society perfectly all followed orders and shocked the subject to death.

It’s likely more about the desire to belong than enjoying the torture itself.

Actually, it comes down to one-on-one influence from an authority figure.

Just a minor correction here—in the Milgram experiment, they explicitly told the participants that the most intense shocks wouldn't actually cause any harm:
"Although the shocks may be painful, there is no permanent tissue damage, so please go on." "