Organ transplants and energy transfer

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#1 · Dec 14, 2004

The title of this thread might feel a little awkward, so bear with me while I explain.

Does anyone here know how transplantation affects the energy field of both the donor and the recipient? When someone passes away naturally, the entire body shuts down, and the astral body completely detaches and moves on. But when someone is declared brain dead while their body is still being kept alive by machines—does that mean they haven't fully passed yet (since the heart is still beating and they're technically breathing) and the astral body hasn't fully "unhooked"? Or has it?
What actually constitutes total death and a complete separation from the physical body? Is brain death enough to trigger that, or does every single bodily function have to stop first?

I remember reading somewhere once that there’s a specific window of time after death before certain things can detach from the heart chakra—that it doesn't just happen instantly, but takes a little while.

So, if that's true, how would that impact the donor (who is supposed to be detaching, yet the organ is still functioning and then moved to someone else) and what about the person receiving the organ?

Just to be clear, I'm not looking for a debate on ethics, legalities, or whether transplants are right or wrong. I'm strictly interested in the energetic and astral side of things. If anyone knows...
Delilah, Milan......?

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#2 · Dec 15, 2004

Oleander said:The title of this thread might be a bit awkward, but let me explain my thought process.

Does anyone know how organ transplantation affects the energy field of both the donor and the recipient? When someone passes away naturally, the entire body shuts down and the astral body completely "detaches" and moves on. But when someone is declared brain dead while their body is still being kept functional on life support—does that mean they haven't fully passed yet (since the heart is beating and they're breathing), or has the astral body already detached?
What defines true death and total separation from the physical vessel? Is brain death enough to trigger that, or does the entire system have to stop working first?

I remember reading somewhere that there’s a specific window of time after death where certain energies need to detach from the heart chakra, and it doesn't happen instantly, but rather a little later on.

So, if that's actually true, how would that impact the donor (who needs to undergo detachment, yet the organ is still functioning to be transplanted) and what about the person receiving it?

Just to be clear, I'm not looking for an ethics debate, legal arguments, or anyone's opinion on whether transplantation is right or wrong. I am strictly interested in the energetic and astral aspects. If anyone knows...
Delilah, Milan......?

Don't overthink it. If you're worried someone isn't quite gone, just decapitate them to be safe and call it a day.

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#3 · Dec 24, 2004

Think of the astral body as the vessel for our consciousness and sensations, while the etheric layer carries our vital life force.
Without that astral connection—meaning when you’re hovering mostly outside the usual boundaries of your physical self and its surroundings—you slip into a coma or a deep sleep. And without the etheric component, even if it's just partially present, you get that total paralysis, like when your leg falls asleep, which eventually leads to organ failure if it persists.

The big question comes up during transplants: how deeply is an individual organ tied to the donor's astral identity? And does that identity somehow delay their own karmic cycle through the continued life of the donated organ within the recipient?

In my view, organs from someone who has truly passed away only retain some lingering traces of etheric energy, making them somewhat de-individualized. However, in transplant medicine, the absolute BEST organ is one taken from someone who is technically brain dead according to current neurophysiological standards—someone whose heart might still be pulsing and circulating blood, but where cortical activity has completely ceased. Only a clairvoyant consciousness, one with highly developed intuitive perception, could really tell on an individual basis whether the astral body had already detached from the physical one in any given case.
Most spiritual traditions I’ve encountered hold a NEGATIVE view toward organ transplants from those who are clinically dead.
Donating while still alive isn't nearly as problematic, because the astral body remains anchored to the primary physical vessel. ;-)

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#4 · Dec 24, 2004

And what about blood transfusions?

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#5 · Dec 24, 2004

Enchantress said:But what about things like blood transfusions?

I mean, you aren't actually going to donate all six liters at once, right?

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#6 · Dec 24, 2004

Thanks for the reply 🙂

Terry Ramos4 said:The real question when it comes to transplants is how much an individual organ is tied to the donor's astral identity—and whether their continued existence through the recipient actually delays their own transition to the next life.

That’s exactly what I’m wondering about. Does removing a living organ—essentially leaving a material extension of their life behind—affect the donor's journey to the afterlife? Does it weigh on them, pull them back, or make them feel incomplete?

Terry Ramos4 said:But here's the thing... in transplant medicine, the BEST organs come from someone who is technically clinically dead (meaning zero cortical activity), even if there's still some circulation. Only a highly intuitive consciousness—one with deep imaginative insight—could truly discern whether the astral body has fully detached from the physical one in those cases.
Most spiritual paths I've looked into take a negative stance on organ transplants from people who are (clinically) dead.
However, donating while still alive isn't usually seen as an issue, because the astral self remains tethered to the main body. ;-)

Right, major organs are typically only harvested from the clinically dead. So, the question is: if a person is clinically dead—meaning their brain has stopped and they'd die without life support—does forcing them to stay tethered to the material plane cause harm?
To put it simply 😁, does the astral body detach completely upon brain death, or does it stay attached as long as the organs are being kept running?

And how might all of this impact the recipient?

Enchantress said:What about blood transfusions?

Blood donors are healthy, living people who aren't in any rush to head to the other side. 😉

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#7 · Dec 25, 2004

Enchantress said:But what about blood transfusions?

Blood is essentially tissue...

It also represents life itself (Genesis 9:4)

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#8 · Dec 28, 2004

brightnomad0 said:blood is tissue....

And honestly, blood is basically the essence of life itself (Genesis 9:4)

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..so, does that mean we actually have a witness tucked away somewhere in this wild mix of spiritual vibes we've got going on here? 🙂

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#9 · Dec 28, 2004

It’s pretty wild how some religious groups actually forbid their followers from receiving blood transfusions...

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#10 · Dec 29, 2004

Ban them???????😕 I wouldn't go that far....

Don't we all still have the right to choose... about anything?

Do you honestly believe anyone could actually forbid something for members of any religious organization?
Don't you think everyone holds their own Faith and personal convictions they don't want to violate, just like how everyone follows their own conscience....

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#11 · Dec 29, 2004

okay, brightnomad0: basically, they’re just banning believers from doing it themselves, all under the guise of staying true to their "faith."

it feels like you haven't been around for ages, or maybe I'm just losing track of time.
anyway: welcome back! 😁

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#12 · Dec 29, 2004

brightnomad0, I didn't mean to imply they were being coerced or forced to act a certain way 😁, but since they belong to a specific religious community, the members follow its doctrines. Some of those groups simply believe blood transfusions aren't acceptable. Hopefully, that clears things up. 😉

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#13 · Dec 30, 2004

Enchantress said:brightnomad0, I didn't really mean to imply they were being coerced or forced into specific behaviors 😁, but when you belong to a particular religious community, members tend to abide by its tenets. Some of those communities simply view blood transfusions as unacceptable. I hope that clarifies things a bit. 😉

I suppose so, 🙂

I would just add that before anyone decides to join a religious group in the first place, they should ideally have their own personal Faith. It shouldn't be about blindly following rules, but rather about understanding the scriptures—assuming we're talking about a Christian faith...

We've already covered religion quite extensively on this thread, so I won't dwell on it too much here... if anyone is interested, you can check out the other topic... here is the link
http://www.americanforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61137

And I suspect it isn't just an opinion held by certain groups, but rather an interpretation of what the Bible actually says regarding BLOOD.

In Acts 15:29, it mentions that we should "abstain from blood" and "refrain from blood"...

So, it's primarily a matter of Faith 🙂

...because we believe that God wants what is best for us... since He knows better than we do as our Creator...

brightnomad0😎

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#14 · Jan 4, 2005

Here’s my take on what’s actually happening during a transplant:
The soul—or you could call it the astral body—is tethered to the physical shell by this energetic, informational strand (people often call it the thin silver cord). As long as we’re keeping the blood pumping via life support machines—which is obviously the prerequisite for any organ transplant to happen—that astral body can't detach from the physical one. Through that informational thread, it feels absolutely everything we do to the physical body. This means the donor is enduring an unimaginable nightmare and levels of pain that words can't even touch, yet there’s no way for them to signal what's happening. And once the transplant is done and we go through the motions of burying what's left of their body, they stay energetically linked to the recipient. They remain tied to whoever took their organ for as long as that organ is biologically alive; essentially, they can't just move on from this realm.
Since everything is interconnected, those donated organs create a karmic bridge between the recipient and the donor's entire karmic history. That’s why so many people who receive transplants end up feeling like completely "different" versions of themselves afterward.
There are endless accounts of this out there. I remember reading reports in some American newspapers about the parents of donors (since doctors are always hunting for a healthy, young body), and I watched TV specials on the subject years ago. Honestly, if you have hair, it’ll make the hair on your neck stand up! It’s such a shame that here in the States, we just take a very superficial, "check-the-box" approach to this whole issue.
But I guess that’s a whole different rabbit hole, isn't it? 🥳 🥳 🥳

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#15 · Jan 4, 2005

Robert Jones85, thanks for getting back to me! 🙂

It sounds so spooky 😲 but honestly, I’ve had similar thoughts myself. I’ve actually read stories about how recipients feel like different people after a transplant, almost like their entire personality shifts.

I know there isn't any scientific data to back this up, but I've heard about cases where both the recipient and the donor ended up dying in accidents shortly after—not at the same time, obviously, but just strange streaks of bad luck. It made me wonder: if there's any truth to the idea that a donor's energy or astral body stays tied to the recipient, does that energy somehow push toward its own release... essentially by pulling the recipient toward death?

Quincy:

I remember reading reports in some American newspapers about the parents of donors (since doctors are always hunting for healthy, young bodies), and I watched TV specials on the subject years ago. It’s enough to make your hair stand on end!

Could you dive a bit deeper into that? 🙂

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#16 · Jan 4, 2005

I think I might have those newspapers tucked away somewhere in my house, but I can't make any promises. I'll definitely dig them up, though—strictly for the sake of the skeptics, obviously.
Basically, it all boils down to these parents' stories involving those papers, which were nothing short of traumatic for them. One mother describes this absolutely scandalous situation where doctors practically bullied her into signing an organ donation consent form, manipulating her free will with all those classic arguments you see in movies and TV shows—you know the drill... telling her that the most she could possibly do for someone now, when her child was already gone, was to donate... stuff like that. I have to admit, there was a time when I actually believed that donating was just this beautiful act of love for your neighbor, but back then, I didn't understand anything about karma, reincarnation, or the deeper purpose behind why things happen to us... the actual reason and meaning behind illness.
So, there she was, watching her child being kept alive by machines... and she felt like they were still "here." Regardless of what they say about brain death, to me, the brain is just an organ; a person is the essence that flows through those organs, something that can be detached from them. That’s how I perceive a human being, at least.
Once they performed the transplant and "unplugged" him—and I don't mean they just took his heart, I mean they harvested every single internal organ they were interested in and distributed them across the entire country without the parents' permission—that mother entered a literal living hell. We're talking nightmares, haunting mental images, and this crushing weight of guilt and helplessness... she couldn't escape that darkness, so she eventually went to the press to tell her story. Other parents came forward with similar struggles, and eventually, a sort of advocacy group for donor parents was formed in the States. She mentioned they traveled around sharing their experiences and trying to warn others, but they ran straight into pushback from the authorities, the church, and certain vested interests within the medical establishment...
The truth is, what you see in the news is mostly just whatever version of the story they decide to feed you. That’s just how it works with pretty much any topic that doesn't align with the interests of powerful groups.
People are free to believe whatever they want, but I really wish those who believe in our spiritual dimension would give this subject some serious thought and try to bring it into the mainstream conversation in a fresh way. 🙂

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#17 · Jan 5, 2005

That sounds absolutely terrifying! 😱

But what if someone chooses to donate an organ while they’re still alive? Like, say, a parent donating a kidney to their child or something along those lines? And let's assume they both go on to live healthy lives. What happens after the donor eventually passes away? Is there still some kind of lingering connection between them and the person who received the organ?

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#18 · Jan 5, 2005

This thread is spot on, and there is so much truth in what Robert Jones85 is laying out here.

It is an uphill battle trying to explain to today’s self-proclaimed "humanists" why someone might choose not to donate their organs. Honestly, if you even bring it up, they look at you like you're some kind of cold-blooded murderer.

I was reading somewhere that in many Eastern traditions, there is a strict requirement to wait at least three days before cremation begins, just to ensure the departed isn't placed in an "awkward" spiritual state. But with organ transplantation from a deceased donor, everything has to move at lightning speed—the less time wasted, the better the outcome for the recipient.😢

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#19 · Jan 12, 2005

Enchantress said:That sounds absolutely terrifying! 😱

But what about when someone donates an organ while they're still alive? Like, say, a parent giving a kidney to their child or something along those lines? They both go on living their lives, right? So, what happens after the donor passes away? Is there still this lingering connection between the donor and the person who received the organ?

I’m definitely no expert on this subject, I’m just sitting here mulling things over based on what I've been reading lately. It seems perfectly logical to conclude that through organ transplantation—assuming we are the parent of the recipient or just a suitable donor in general—we are actually transferring a piece of our karma to them. Our organ cells are saturated with our own life energy, which carries our unique "imprint."
I realize some people might hear me saying this and think I'm just making excuses for being selfish, but honestly, anyone who has truly realized the deeper purpose and meaning of their existence can see where I'm coming from.
In my view, we should be focusing on the quality of our lives and how we treat those closest to us, which is what really defines a person.
When it comes to the sick, we ought to do everything humanly possible to ease their potential pain and suffering, working within the bounds of legitimate medicine to treat their physical bodies whenever possible. This is such a vast field of work with endless opportunities for both doctors and the community at large. We can genuinely do so much for one another without resorting to anything unethical, like organ harvesting.
Just look at the direction this whole branch of "science" has taken... gene manipulation, organ transplants, and now the ultimate peak: cloning...
Step by step, we are watching that horrifying scenario from Huxley's "Brave New World" play out right before our eyes. 😢

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#20 · Jan 12, 2005

Robert Jones85 says:
That sounds absolutely terrifying! 😱

p.s.
Of course the donor stays tied to the recipient for life, and honestly, sooner or later, someone is going to have to settle that score somewhere down the line.

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